Captain America vs Sub Zero
Title says it all. This is Mortal Kombat 9 sub zero and steve rodgers as cap.
Sub Zero is tasked to assasinate captain america in NYC on an empty street. Normal gear and sub zero had 30 minutes to make a strategy. Cap has 2 minutes prep and the fight starts 100 yards away from each other. This is Kuai Lang as sub zero.
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MKA Sub-Zero? So he has the Dragon Medallion then which amped his abilities even higher then normal(not sure if he'd need it here though)
Cap A has super human strength, but then again so does Subby(being able to rip someones head off with his hands) plus ice abilities...I'll go with Sub.
We have yet to see what Sub has done in the new game besides having ice powers and being able to rip someone's head off along with a spine easily and even the upper half off, so I'd say Not Sure until then.
@Static Shock said:
"Yep, he just doesn't do it often.... the longer MK goes on the more they give older characters new powers lol...so it seems.@MKF30:
O_O"
Sub Zero can do that!?
Check out his entrance in the new MK(although in MKDC he's teleported just turning into a puddle and coming out thru the floor on the other side as a move)
He forms from a puddle in the ground into solid Ice, then shattering the ice around his physical body...pretty cool lol(no pun intended)
Mortal Kombat vs DC. Great game. They need a Marvel vs Mortal Kombat game. Anyways. I'll take Sub Zero for this one.
Leaning towards Sub-Zero, not sure if he'd need prep.
The fact that Cap has no knowledge on him, and what he could do, makes me think SubZero is going to blindside him with the variety of ways he can use his power.
Not sure who I'd give the edge to in physical stats, if Sub Zero is ripping people's spines out. Someone make a comparison, but I think Sub's power - and Cap's lack of preparation or knowledge of it - is what's going to give Sub the win.
Leaning towards Sub-Zero, not sure if he'd need prep. The fact that Cap has no knowledge on him, and what he could do, makes me think SubZero is going to blindside him with the variety of ways he can use his power. Not sure who I'd give the edge to in physical stats, if Sub Zero is ripping people's spines out. Someone make a comparison, but I think Sub's power - and Cap's lack of preparation or knowledge of it - is what's going to give Sub the win.Cap isn't stupid sub-zero's ice-balls wont be a big issue cap can dodge bullets easily.. last time i checked bullet is faster then sub zero's ice-ball... cap is faster better h2h fighter arguably stronger ... i don't think so sub zero can take hits from cap's shield...
Are you really limiting what Sub Zero can do to simply ice-balls? Instead of making claims like "cap is faster, better h2h fighter, and arguabley stronger" why not attempt to prove what you're saying - and compare the two?when has sub-zero displayed better h2h feats? cap can run at the speed of 50+miles per hour ... yes i have seen what subzero's ice balls can do but are they faster than bullet?
just few examples what cap can do :
@Jezer said:Are you really limiting what Sub Zero can do to simply ice-balls? Instead of making claims like "cap is faster, better h2h fighter, and arguabley stronger" why not attempt to prove what you're saying - and compare the two?when has sub-zero displayed better h2h feats? cap can run at the speed of 50+miles per hour ... yes i have seen what subzero's ice balls can do but are they faster than bullet?
just few examples what cap can do :
Your hand to hand scan is surprisingly unimpressive. Doesn't display that much skill - I've seen better from MMA people irl.
I'm confused as to why you mentioned his running speed, or what that has to do anything.
Obviously you completely missed my point.
Again, I'll ask "Are you really limiting what Sub Zero can do to simply ice-balls?"
Last, I asked you to compare them. Instead you post scans of Captain America - and act like that means anything if I don't know how they match up to what Sub Zero can do.
Still go with Subby here lol. Yeah, but Marvel vs. MK would be interesting...Marvel though though would do like DCU with no fatalities to their iconic guys like Spiderman, Wolverine etc.i think that would be interesting. although wolverine couldn't get xrayed lol
@super_psycho said:how can i compare which doesn't exist ... sub zero doesn't have many h2h feats... ice- balls are his main attack... he can also freeze someone with touching them but that's not instant it takes time ... ice-slide wont be a big issue if sub zero try that cap will hit him in the face with shield... show me some h2h feats of sub-zero i ll try to compare them@Jezer said:Your hand to hand scan is surprisingly unimpressive. Doesn't display that much skill - I've seen better from MMA people irl. I'm confused as to why you mentioned his running speed, or what that has to do anything. Obviously you completely missed my point. Again, I'll ask "Are you really limiting what Sub Zero can do to simply ice-balls?" Last, I asked you to compare them. Instead you post scans of Captain America - and act like that means anything if I don't know how they match up to what Sub Zero can do.Are you really limiting what Sub Zero can do to simply ice-balls? Instead of making claims like "cap is faster, better h2h fighter, and arguabley stronger" why not attempt to prove what you're saying - and compare the two?when has sub-zero displayed better h2h feats? cap can run at the speed of 50+miles per hour ... yes i have seen what subzero's ice balls can do but are they faster than bullet?
just few examples what cap can do :
i think sub-zero murders cap.
his fist strikes can freeze people too btw. i think sub could freeze steve and then its all over
@Super_Psycho: Okay. So the problem here appears to be that both of us lack any serious knowledge on Sub-Zero.
The difference between me and you is that instead of pretending like my lack of info means that I can draw conclusions on who's better at hand to hand, physically, and such - I instead opted to admit my lack of knowledge on the physical comparison between Captain America and Sub Zero.
However, I've seen enough Mortal Kombat threads to know that Sub-Zero can do more than "throw iceballs" and the 2 or 3 other moves you just mentioned are no where near the limit to what Sub Zero can do with his ice manipulation.
I'm more confused by the fact that I said "SubZero is going to blindside him with the variety of ways he can use his power."
and your immediate reply was to make statements about him dodging iceballs(one move) - and how that shows he'd easily be able to deal with the "variety of ways he(SubZero) can use his power".
Last, you provided one panel of Captain America punching a random person and throwing another - slapped on the label "H2H feat" and then come here and tell me that Sub Zero doesn't have any h2h feats? After setting the bar so low with the one you posted? The general fighting style he displays in his games shows greater skill than your scan.
@ MKF30: Please enlighten us all on the things Sub Zero can use his power to do. And his fighting style and skill.
sub - zero is the best ninja of lin kui he defeated smoke,cyrax, sektor ...... but from what i have seen he is not as fast cap that's why i said he can easily avoid sub-zero's attacks
@Jezer: i m talking about his canon move list ... he can do other things with dragon medallion but he doesn't have that here .... we don't count gameplay becoz its game mechanics i m telling you all the things which sub zero have done in cutscenes i m not limiting sub-zero's moves... i used that pic as h2h feat becoz cap isn't using shield and he easily defeated someone who is bigger than he is ... sub - zero is the best ninja of lin kui he defeated smoke,cyrax, sektor ...... but from what i have seen he is not as fast cap that's why i said he can easily avoid sub-zero's attacks
You are limiting him. Sub Zero is from a race with the ability to control/manipulate ice. Gameplay mechanics show what signature moves the creators decided to showcase out of his general ability to manipulate ice - and thus are not only valid, but downplay Sub Zero's power.
Furthermore, I severely doubt you've seen every SubZero cutscene and know all of the abilities he's displayed. Earlier in this thread, MKF30 showed a vid of of Sub Zero reforming into an ice statue and then breaking out of it into human form - during a cut scene - and you didn't mention it.
That h2h feat shows Cap punching someone, and then throwing someone who's build isn't significantly bigger than him - over his shoulder.
Hypothetically, even if the guy was bigger than him, I don't see the point. IRL Judo practicioners use their opponents size against them and have displayed better skill than what Captain America did.
Nothing you've shown makes me believe Captain America is significantly so fast that Sub Zero would be below him.
Out of his own mouth, Captain America attributes his ability to dodge bullets to his faster reaction time and subsequent ability to dodge away from where his enemies are aiming.
Regardless, without any knowledge on Sub Zero, Captain America would easily be prone to getting frozen by simply attempting to punch Sub Zero.
I've seen Cage blocked Sub Zero's blast with his gauntlets, so I'm fairly certainly Cap can with his shield, and certainly has the reflexes to pull it off. That said, if we're measuring Sub's strength because of fatalities, then we have to assume the likes of Sonya has superhuman strength too (split her foes in half with her legs). It would certainly be a good match, but Cap's own tactical mind, impressive physicals, top notch fighting abilties, and extreme measure of skill with the perfect offensive/defensive weapon means he should be capable of KOing Sub Zero.
And I sincerely hope people won't measure skill by the win/loss record in the MK9 storyline. Otherwise, Stryker beats Ermac, and Cyber Sub Zero can solo Kintaro and Goro...lol
Well, if matters were that easy, I imagine he would have never been killed by Scorpion. Oh yes, I went there.Regardless, without any knowledge on Sub Zero, Captain America would easily be prone to getting frozen by simply attempting to punch Sub Zero.
...I don't actually know where you went, because like I said I'm not an expert on Sub Zero.
However, if you're talking about a storyline, you realize that plot conveniently restricts how characters use their powers for the benifit of a story?
For example, Raiden can teleport. How many times does he do that when fighting people during cutscenes? Usually just once, and then he forgets.
Either way, I mentioned that because Sub Zero has control over ice and that specific ability is one of the signature moves he uses in games.
I'm well aware, but canon material is how we determine how these characters act in combat, instead of just going "insert most effective tactic every time." And I'm not talking about just cut scenes, I'm talking about the comics as well.
Obviously Sub Zero's offensive ice abilities will be a factor, but this is hardly something new to Captain America. Think of the various and diverse threats Steve Rogers has faced over the years in a world (and Universe) filled with characters sporting assorted abilities and skills. Sub Zero will definitely pose a threat, but it's just as likely Cap can block the attacks, and land a KO.
@Jezer: I'm well aware, but canon material is how we determine how these characters act in combat, instead of just going "insert most effective tactic every time." And I'm not talking about just cut scenes, I'm talking about the comics as well. Obviously Sub Zero's offensive ice abilities will be a factor, but this is hardly something new to Captain America. Think of the various and diverse threats Steve Rogers has faced over the years in a world (and Universe) filled with characters sporting assorted abilities and skills. Sub Zero will definitely pose a threat, but it's just as likely Cap can block the attacks, and land a KO.
You realize that canon material of Superman generally shows him not speedblitzing his enemies, nontheless taking away plot restrictions - most people generally cite the fact that he can just speedblitz vastly slower opponents?
There's a significant difference between how characters fair in realistic battles and how characters fight when they're following a story script.
Nontheless, I never stated that the move is how Sub Zero would fight against Captain America.
I said CA is prone to it, because he doesn't know what Sub Zero is capable of.
He's also prone to the iceclones that he doesn't know will freeze him, if he touches them.
The fact that Sub Zero can boost his movement by propelling himself with ice - like he does using the Ice Slide.
The teleportation. Ect.
Citing the fact that Captain America fights metahuman opponents, some of which he probably already had an idea of their power and what they could do, doesn't take away from the specifics of this fight(I mean, I could also cite the fact that Sub Zero fights a variety of different people with powers and differing physical stats: moot point). And the fact that Sub Zero has ice powers that he has no knowledge on how they all work OR to what extent Sub Zero can control ice.
On the otherhand, Sub Zero is ignorant to the physical capabilities of Captain America and his shield.
Yet, the shock factor and edge of element of surprise definitely goes to Sub Zero.
Tactics and battle strategy are not particularly useful to him. Prep would really only help Cap. Sub-Zero from MK9 also does not have anything really to take with him besides the kori blade which is a powerful ice sword. I think that Cap will beat him soley on his skill with his shield. As long as he stays behind it he should be fine. If Sub-Zero catches him without however... frozen. Knowing Cap he'll figure out how to beat him while staying protected.What has Sub Zero done in terms of tactics that shows he can beat cap with his prep? =]
That's exactly why you take an accurate look at canon material and determine your own opinion. Saying Cap loses once he makes contact with Sub Zero once is simply unlikely.
And really, do you believe Captain America is stupid enough to strike an ice clone?
Captain America facing a variety of foes isn't a moot point, it's a counter point to the claim he's at a large disadvantage because he's immediately unaware of what Sub Zero is capable of. Captain America isn't one to underestimate/downplay foes, so there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be on his A-game and be completely caught off guard when Sub Zero fires a projectile...And like I said, if Cage can block it, it's far-fetched that Cap couldn't.
Sure, knowledge is an immediate andvantage, but performance during the match is what matters. Captain America has merely been an enhanced human with a shield for decades, capable of hanging with a variety of super humans. This is courtesy of his extremely high level of skill and tactical mind in combat. Elemental control over ice (to a VERY basic degree in comparison to iceman) won't overwhelm him, and a few well placed shield strikes can certainly take down Sub-Zero. It'll be an entertaining fight, but Cap has overall proven to be more impressive as a combatant.
i think taking an ice ball would freeze him whether he blocks with his shield or not.
also just because scorpion killed sub zero doesnt mean sub zero is weak it means scorpion is a boss
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