#1 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio
Captain America #2 (2011)

VS

Rules

no prep but both combatants have basic knowledge on the other

morals off

captain america starts at the red dot and splice starts at the green one

win by any means except BFR

explain your reasoning

standered gear

fight takes place here

#2 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

Splice's durability will be difficult to overcome, but his lack of showings make it incredibly difficult to determine his true level of skill. Captain America, on the other hand, has the perfect weapon to counter-act Splice's wide variety of pellets. It's a matter of how well Splice could hang with Rogers in close range, and honestly, that's impossible to determine.

#3 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, Splice, it looks like no one knows who you are.

#4 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@Recoil1985: I guess not :(

#5 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Well, what are your thoughts?

#6 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@Recoil1985: I would probably say splice. I think his durability will be helpful and his pellets give him good range.

#7 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Splice is just destined to never get a good thread, lol.

#8 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@Recoil1985: LOL I guess so

#9 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Perhaps this will help people learn about him and then create their own opinions. (taken from his respect thread)

Agility feat. Leaps from one speeding car to another on a highway.

Splice's first encounter/battle with Wonder Man. Displays Splice's tactics in action, deploying various pellets (electro-shock, shockwave, gas, explosive). Wonder Man remarks how Splice's metal armor hurts him with strikes and appears to be a vibranium mesh. He also implies Splice's suit must have hydraulics, allowing for greater jump distance.

Tells what inspired him to become an assassin

He doesn't have a handbook entry, but he does have a playingcard. Listed as a 5/7 for fighting abilities. Note that sometimes these entries were extremely flawed. For example, Cardiac was given a "2" strength level, despite having 15 ton strength. In this case, his strength and durability should clearly be above a 2 rating (courtesy of his armor) based on his showings vs Wonder Man

Splicer does his homework. Creates a pellet designed to de-power ionic based characters (Wonder Man, Crazy 8)

Takes on the Crazy 8. Gets revenge on Wonder Man's girlfriend, Alex Flores.

And so begins and second (and final) fight with Wonder Man. Wonder Man mostly smacks him around, but it's good for seeing how much punishment Splicer can take.

#10 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@Recoil1985: Nice! Hopefully some more people will comment.

#11 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Or not, haha.

#12 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know, with the exception of strength I didn't see any superior feats for Splice. I think Cap at the very least equals in not surpases very other feat I've seen from Splice.

#13 Posted by Erik (31473 posts) - - Show Bio

@Recoil1985:

Did you decide to use his every appearance for that scan orgy? Because it seems like that is all of them lol.

#14 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@Recoil1985:

Did you decide to use his every appearance for that scan orgy? Because it seems like that is all of them lol.

Basically.

#15 Posted by Saren (25241 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought this was going to be that creature from the movie Splice.

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#16 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982 said:

I don't know, with the exception of strength I didn't see any superior feats for Splice. I think Cap at the very least equals in not surpases very other feat I've seen from Splice.

Well cap is probably the better fighter and faster of the two but splice is more durable (since he takes hits from wonder man) so if cap is going to win it will probably be by putting splice in a hold but could cap do that without splice stabbing/slicing him or shocking him?

#17 Posted by Recoil1985 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

I thought this was going to be that creature from the movie Splice.

I've heard people totally rave about that movie. I thought it was all kinds of "meh," though.

#18 Posted by Saren (25241 posts) - - Show Bio

@Recoil1985 said:

@CitizenBane said:

I thought this was going to be that creature from the movie Splice.

I've heard people totally rave about that movie. I thought it was all kinds of "meh," though.

As did I.

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#19 Edited by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap has taken multiple hits and slams from Namor

EDIT- the first scan should be the last scan.

#20 Posted by Vance Astro (91071 posts) - - Show Bio

Namor could one shot Cap if he wanted to.

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#21 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982: Namor was holding back. Cap has been taken out by less then namor. We can say namor was hitting him hard because his cloths were tearing but even so wonder stated that splices metal exoskeleton was hard. Splice defiantly has a durability advantage.

#22 Posted by Nefarious (18363 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America should win.

#23 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious: Why and how?

#24 Posted by Nefarious (18363 posts) - - Show Bio

He is much stronger and faster, too. He could bash his shield against Splice's head, knocking him out.

#25 Posted by Vance Astro (91071 posts) - - Show Bio
@jashro44 said:

@tg1982: Namor was holding back. Cap has been taken out by less then namor. We can say namor was hitting him hard because his cloths were tearing but even so wonder stated that splices metal exoskeleton was hard. Splice defiantly has a durability advantage.

It's really just PIS.Namor and holding back don't even fit in the same sentence.Marvel just doesn't have any respect for the character.The sheer volume of street levelers they made him fight and poorly too, throughout his career has been ridiculous.
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#26 Edited by pooty (10748 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982: Strength? I saw more durability from Splice. I didn't see him being too much stronger. His kicks, hits didn't seem to do more than make WM flinch. Much like when Gamora sparred with Thanos. It looked like she was hurting him when she wasn't. The pellets will be deflected by the shield or dodged. Sadly, I gotta go with Cap on this one......Sadly.

@Nefarious said:

Captain America should win.

@Nefarious said:

He is much stronger and faster, too. He could bash his shield against Splice's head, knocking him out.

This

#27 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: @jashro44: Fair enough, I was just saying Cap is durable as well, Not that he would ever win or survive against Namor.

@pooty said:

@tg1982: Strength? I saw more durability from Splice. I didn't see him being too much stronger. His kicks, hits didn't seem to do more than make WM flinch. Much like when Gamora sparred with Thanos. It looked like she was hurting him when she wasn't. The pellets will be deflected by the shield or dodged. Sadly, I gotta go with Cap on this one......Sadly.

Yeah, my bad, I thought it was Splice that caught the tractor.

#28 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982: I don't think splice will have an issue getting by caps durability. cap on the other hand is not knocking splice out.

@Nefarious: @pooty: How is cap suppose to do something that wonder man had a hard time doing? There are ways for cap to win but I don't see how knock out is one of them.

#29 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Yeah, I'm not familiar enough with Splice to really comment on this fight, so I will hang back and watch (for now atleast). Splice does seem pretty interesting tho

#30 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982: Well recoil posted all of his showings (literally thats all of them) on the other page if you want to see what splice can do.

#31 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Damn, that's it?!? LOL. Well then honestly in light of the feats (or lack their of) I might have to give Cap the majority.

#32 Posted by (((Prodigy))) (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

Where's k4tzm4n when you need him

#33 Posted by pooty (10748 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: @tg1982: WM only hit him twice and the same argument made for namor holding back can be made for WM. The last time when WM was mad and slammed him, Splice stayed down. I doubt WM was hitting a regular looking dude with the same force he fights Hulk. and lack of feats don't help either.

#34 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the Splice respect thread?

#35 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@jashro44: @tg1982: WM only hit him twice and the same argument made for namor holding back can be made for WM. The last time when WM was mad and slammed him, Splice stayed down. I doubt WM was hitting a regular looking dude with the same force he fights Hulk. and lack of feats don't help either.

Wonder man literally stated that splices exoskeleton was hard. I don't see how you can argue the same argument can be made for splice when he has never been punched out by less then wonder man and when wonder man himself stated he was really tough. We can confirm wonder man was hitting splice hard based on his statements.

#36 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982 said:

@jashro44: Damn, that's it?!? LOL. Well then honestly in light of the feats (or lack their of) I might have to give Cap the majority.

I think splice has enough feats to say he can stand up to cap.

@(((Prodigy))) said:

Where's k4tzm4n when you need him

Him and recoil are the same person I believe.

@_Black said:

Is this the Splice respect thread?

I think thats might be all the scans from his respect thread lol

#37 Posted by pooty (10748 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I agree that his exoskeleton is hard and stated his durability is better than Cap's. But that is the only advantage i saw. He fought a brick in WM who skill is no where near Cap's. Cap has found a way to hurt foes more durable than him in the past. Cap also has a shield that is the equalizer to Splice's exoskeleton. Other than durability(which is equalized by the shield) and a maybe a slight strength advantage Splice didn't look that good to me.

#38 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@jashro44: I agree that his exoskeleton is hard and stated his durability is better than Cap's. But that is the only advantage i saw. He fought a brick in WM who skill is no where near Cap's. Cap has found a way to hurt foes more durable than him in the past. Cap also has a shield that is the equalizer to Splice's exoskeleton. Other than durability(which is equalized by the shield) and a maybe a slight strength advantage Splice didn't look that good to me.

Wonder man also has lightning quick reflexes so its not like splice has no skill whatsoever. I don't see how captain americas shield equalizes the suit, what feats does he have to say he can hit as hard as wonder man? Also what counter does cap have for gas pellets as well? We saw splice use them on wonder man.

#39 Posted by pooty (10748 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Wonder man also has lightning quick reflexes

those words are hyperbole and have been used to describe real life athletes and darn near every comic book character

so its not like splice has no skill whatsoever

The Punisher has skill. Nick Fury has skill but I havn't seen any skill that seems impossible for Cap to duplicate. Did you?

I don't see how captain americas shield equalizes the suit. Also what counter does cap have for gas pellets as well

I'm saying I don't think Splice will get past his shield. His shield will absorb his blows as well as his pellets. And Cap can use his shield offensively also.

what feats does he have to say he can hit as hard as wonder man

There is no evidence that WM was hitting him as hard as he hits the Hulk. And Cap has tanked explosions and blocked hits from Mjolnir and Hulk.

A few pages against a brick can't compete with Cap's body of work.

#40 Posted by Joygirl (18142 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Splice. If it weren't for PIS (Oh look, an innocent! Must CHASE!) he would have straight-up defeated Wonder Man, which, in my book, puts him squarely in the "good enough" bracket. But I did think this would be the girl (or monster rape-guy) from the movie Splice.

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#41 Posted by (((Prodigy))) (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

As impressive as Splice is in those scans, I'm not sure if I can see him beating Cap. 
The fight would be very close though.

#42 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

And Wonder Man could pulverize Splice if he wanted to, but Simon isn't a killer so this is a typical case of a hero holding back from striking a villain with his full strength to avoid killing him. Wonder Man at standard levels has Class 100 strength.

#43 Posted by jashro44 (19204 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty:

those words are hyperbole and have been used to describe real life athletes and darn near every comic book character

Point being wonder man isn't slow.

The Punisher has skill. Nick Fury has skill but I havn't seen any skill that seems impossible for Cap to duplicate. Did you?

Irrelevant and the point of saying splice has skills was that he was able to hand with some one who blitzed wolverine.

I'm saying I don't think Splice will get past his shield. His shield will absorb his blows as well as his pellets. And Cap can use his shield offensively also.

1. Why couldn't a gas pellet get by his shield? It will explode on impact and cap will breath it in and pass out.

2. Still not seeing any evidence of cap getting by someone of splices durability.

There is no evidence that WM was hitting him as hard as he hits the Hulk. And Cap has tanked explosions and blocked hits from Mjolnir and Hulk.

A few pages against a brick can't compete with Cap's body of work.

No evidence that splice is as durable as hulk I never said that but there is evidence cap cannot hurt splice. Wonder man doesn't remark the durability of an average human, he remarked splices durability. I have seen average humans take a shield toss before. What has cap done to suggest he can hurt splice? As I said he has ways to win but I don't see how knock out is an option.

@Cochise said:

And Wonder Man could pulverize Splice if he wanted to, but Simon isn't a killer so this is a typical case of a hero holding back from striking a villain with his full strength to avoid killing him. Wonder Man at standard levels has Class 100 strength.

Wonder man remarked his durability. Obviously yes he was holding back but he was hitting him harder then he would hit an average human. I don't think wonder man would remark caps durability.