Captain America vs Green Arrow

Agreed, not to mention the use of sonic arrows which should do some damage even if Cap dodges.

Essentially, yes. In fact, the Weapon Plus program which spawned Wolverine, Deadpool, Fantomex and many others was birthed as an attempt to replicate Captain America.

To be fair, that's a very hotly debated issue. Many folks feel as you do. Many other folks feel he is peak, and the few feats used to argue him being 'enhanced' are PIS.

@muyjingo: I disagree that it's just a few feats, there are plenty of them like in every other issue Cap appears in. Seriously it's pretty hard to read a cap story where he isn't doing some enhanced feat

@lensnart: How are you defining enhanced? Batman does things most issues which would be considered enhanced feats, yet they are not considered as such.

Most issues have Cap doing stuff comparable to what Batman does, rather than what Deathstroke does.

That's the whole basis of my argument...there is no pattern of consistency for the feats that people use to argue that he is on Deathstroke's level, such as throwing his shield through a truck.

There's really no way for Steve to lose this honestly.

Ur right it is a hotly debated issue but I would argue that the incredible feats we see Cap doing in his stories are more consistent with the character, whereas Batman performs fantastic feats less frequently; and a lot of the feats people use to say Batman is on Cap's physical level are seriously high showings which haven't been repeated many times, while Cap's are more consistent(disregarding the PIS ones of course). Of course we'll never know unless Marvel flat out states he's enhanced but that's my opinion on the matter

Well, that's where I disagree I guess. I wasted spent a lot of time in the cap forums asking for this, asking for the scans that show Cap to be enhanced rather than peak. Most scans I was able to match with a Batman feat (that followed a pattern of consistency. Both characters have PIS feats, but it seems Cap's PIS or highend feats are used to define the character. Take a random Cap comic and the feats will probably match a Batman comic more than a Deathstroke comic.

Cap completly wrecks GA and Bats. DS should be a good match.

U have a good point, but I still think Cap performs these feats with more consistency than Bats does, and that the bat-feats (<- Ha, I made a new Batmanism) used to match Caps are usually one off PIS/ High end feats, whereas the Cap feats they're matching are more often than not standard average fare feats for Steve.

But this is a Cap vs GA thread and I'm gettin' a lil off topic here so let's agree to disagree.

GA @thecomedian_ Get at meh, bruh.

We can continue via PM if you want.

I repeatedly asked for feats showing cap to be enhanced in the cap forums, and everything I was given was either PIS (only about 10 feats at most), the rest were stuff Batman does everyday, with a strong pattern of consistency. It seems to be a commonly held belief that Cap is at Deathstroke's level, with little to support it.

@muyjingo:

It seems to be a commonly held belief that Cap is at Deathstroke's level, with little to support it.

Bring Deathstroke's consistent feats of strength and speed that are superior to Captain America's.

OK, I'll show some. I don't think Cap matches any of this stuff with any kind of consistency.

Speed

Gallery

Strength / Durability

Gallery

@muyjingo: I can't view any of your scans, and the ones for speed are easily matched by Steve. He's dodged machine gun fire on multiple occasions and he's thrown his shield fast enough to overtake ICBM missiles during mid flight.

The strength/durability showings are better than Steve's, but I wanted you to demonstrate which of Pre 52 Slade's feats were better.

Heh, cap would own.

America FTW! Screw you communism!

Cap humiliates him.

So you agree strength/durability showings are better. I can easily prove the healing factor is better as well if you like.

Steve has outran machine gun fire, but when has he done anything like killing a fly with a paperclip? Has he been faster than beings as fast as a Thangarian? Can he outrun motorcycles? It would seem that at a minimum, they are matched for speed. But if his strength, durability and healing are greater than Steve's, doesn't' that make him greater than Steve?

I'm not as familiar with Pre52 Deathstroke, so will leave that to someone else.

GA easily. Trick arrows for a distance win. If cap throws his shield he's dead as he can't dodge all of ollies arrows and ollie is a bullet timer. H2H he trained with the top martial arts trainer in DC and everyone seems to forget his sword which would be a massive advantage.

Cap wins with easy

@notatreeabush:

How? Hes not better in martial arts, doesn't have an effective long range attack and doesn't have better close or far ranged weapons. Has a better defence but trick arrows can still KO him.

@clownprinceofcrime1995:

@notatreeabush:

Trained by the same guy who trained deathstroke and has a sword. In the time Steve closes the distance Ollie has also fired 10 arrows.

@clownprinceofcrime1995: Remember, Cap has a shield

This is a close fight no doubt, since Cap is hella strong; but I'm gonna go with Ollie 6/10 times. Cap loses a lot of his versatility by being unable to throw his shield in this fight, because if he were to throw his shield GA would probably put him down pretty quickly. (Unless the shield were to actually hit Ollie, which would be a different story.) So IMO, Ollie wins this due to still maintaining his normal advantages while at least slightly crippling Cap's.

Ollie.

Cap.

Steve if this is Ollie.. GA if its Connor Hawke

GA due to distance and prep.

@notatreeabush:

he can't protect his legs while running at full pelt while a shield blocking his sight.

Arrows wouldn't make a single scratch on Cpt America...Steve stomps him!

has to be CA

Oliver can actually win this.

Green arrow wins

Thought Cap needed two broken legs, 3 broken arms, and skull fracture, missing vertebrae, and a thumb tack in his ass for Ollie to stalemate him...

Cap

I feel like defending Ollie in a CaV of this.

CW Ollie and DCEU Deadshot vs. MCU Cap and MCU Scarlet Witch (no TP) (in a stealth environment)!!

@llehdevil: I meant comic versions, sorry.

@lubub55: Yeah, make's sense (wasn't going to debate you anyway, lol).

Cap 8-9/10

@krleavenger: Are you sure mate? I find myself often agreeing with you, but not in this case. Ollie has a big chance of winning this especially considering that he has a distance advantage. Add no morals to that, and Ollie has a big shot in winning. Considering his equipment he has more than enough firepower to take down Steve:

I'll put more trick arrows if necessary, but this proves that Ollie has a good chance of winning.

@debelindzo: He has a chance of winning but Iron-man also has a chance of beating Thor. Blitz him and cut his head of with Repulsor Blade. Not saying Oliver get's stomped tho. Still if he uses Quantum Arrow won't that explosion kill him too?

@krleavenger: Not if he's on a safe distance. He does have some more trick arrows(from Post Crisis) that are meant to immobilize, unlike his New 52 gear which is more based on explosives.Here's a few of them:

@krleavenger: Also by the way, my work here is pretty limited considering i just reinstalled my system and i have yet to download my Green Arrow collection. I know that the goo arrow was also used to take down Brick, by shooting him in his mouth.