And? Ozymandas can catch a bullet, does that mean he can take Shiva? Catching or deflecting bullets has nothing to do with fighting skills. Even Batman has deflected bullets with his gauntlet before and he can't take Shiva. He beat Bullseye with a broken arm, Bullseye isn't exactly an A list fighter.@Hohenheim_of_light:
How? DD deflects bullets with his club and dodges them point blank. He beats the living hell out of people like Bullseye with a broken arm. How does he lose here?
Captain America VS Batman (team battle)
Batman's dodged sniper fire before with his back turned
Probably with the use of his gear. Batman does not have heightened awareness. DD not only has avoided sniper fire, but has saved Spider-Man from sniper fire, while he had one of his arms disabled, was badly beaten for trying to reason with Spider-Man while he was angry, and was several feet away from Spider-Man.
Though Spider-Man's own Spider Sense was acting weirdly here, it is still an impressive feat.
he's also caught a bullet in his cape before. The gauntlet feat is a better feat because Batman doesn't have a gimmicky radar ability like Daredevil is.
Those feats don't really compare to what DD does on the daily.
Batman regularly benches 1000lbs for his morning workout routine
Not really that impressive to someone who's able to turn over cars that weighs three times that.
Daredevil never curled 600lbs either.
My bad. He easily curled 400 pounds. Not 600. Not only did he do that, but he tossed it like it like it was some kind of toy.
None of Daredevil's wins against Wolverine are solid, in fact he doesn't have any wins over Wolverine at all.
False. Not only has DD beaten Wolverine, but he's beaten Sabertooth as well. He was winning against Deadpool, but he had been tricked by Deadpool.
He hit him in the throat in once instance
DD even gave Wolverine a warning, and was right in front of him. How was this not a win?
knocked him back on a sword in the other instance. In fact in Enemy of the State, Wolverine even told Daredevil to get back before the mind control took over again and he killed Matt.
Wolverine had every possible advantage. The guy was amoral, accompanied by Hand ninja, was directly on top of DD with claws ready to pop into DD's skull, and had a DD who just wanted to help him. What happened? DD was handling Wolverine like he was getting paid by the hour to do it. And no. Wolverine told DD to stay back because he didn't know when the mind control would be placed back in effect. Not because he would somehow beat DD, even though he wasn't doing it before and with every possible advantage.
What the hell do you think Daredevil is? You think that because he has a super power that his strength and speed are all super human?
Daredevil has superhuman senses as well as low-level telepathy and superhuman equilibrium.
You said that Batman has no comparable feats which pretty much proves that you do no read Batman comics.
I'm a big fan of the Dark Knight. He's one of the few DC characters that I really like. I know what he's capable of. Batman' good, but he's never displayed the kind of crazy stuff that DD's displayed.
Right, and how long would Daredevil's rogue gallery last against someone like Deathstroke or Prometheus? They'd kill losers like Bullseye, Jester and Bengal in under 30 seconds so the comparison is moot.
I wouldn't call Bullseye a "loser". I'm pretty sure that Bullseye can pretty much take out Batman and Prometheus. Not so sure about DS. Batman gets beaten by DS whenever they fight straight up, so I'm sure if Bullseye actually did win, it would be a hell of a fight.
Deathstroke wasn't distracted either, Batman took his sniper rifle and bashed him in the face with it.
DS ko'd Batman around that encounter. It's just that Batman came back up, hit him with a batarang from behind, attacked him from behind, dazed DS a bit with a punch, and then before DS could get up to do some hurting swung at DS with the butt of his sniper rifle. DS wasn't out to kill Batman at all. He just wanted to get his job done. I really don't class as that as a solid win. You're free to do it if you want, though.
if you read the comic you'd know that it was on a beach near Water, Aquaman attacked and got his ass kicked
I sincerely doubt that happened, or at leats like how you described it. Mind posting a pic? Here. I have a few of DD doing pretty well against Namor. He doesn't kick his ass, but he does well. Remember that Namor is a 90 tonner.
I bring it up because what you say isn't true. Spider-Man outclasses DD in raw speed and strength. Everyone knows that. It's just that DD outclasses Spider-Man in everything else. DD's a better h2h fighter, is more agile, has better reaction time, and has far better senses. DD can sense danger faster than Spider-Man, can actually tell what it is, and can tell where it is coming from.
At least the opponents I named were great fighters were Deadpool is comic relief and Spiderman couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. That leaves Wolverine who Daredevil never beat.
C'mon dude. Deadpool, Spider-Man, and Wolverine would all beat Batman as well, with or without gear. He only wins against them if he has prep. The only reason I say Batman would win is because of his tech that disrupts superhuman hearing Without it, he'd lose to DD too.
Batman wins with or without tech because he's stronger, faster, smarter, more skilled, he hits harder has beaten better fighters and has better feats then Matt does
Nope. Sorry. Batman's feats don't really come close to matching DD's. Daredevil's done so much more with so much less. His tech saves him here. Without it, he loses.
Probably with the use of his gear. Batman does not have heightened awareness. DD not only has avoided sniper fire, but has saved Spider-Man from sniper fire, while he had one of his arms disabled, was badly beaten for trying to reason with Spider-Man while he was angry, and was several feet away from Spider-Man
How does gear help Batman dodge a sniper bullet? Does Batman have "move his head out of the way automatically" device or something? Stop trying to downplay his feats by saying he uses gear for everything.
Those feats don't really compare to what DD does on the daily.
These 2 comments assure me that you haven't the slightest clue on what you are talking about have yet to read a single Batman comic. Batman fights characters with guns and dodges gun fire all the time, without a gimmicky radar sense.
I wouldn't call Bullseye a "loser". I'm pretty sure that Bullseye can pretty much take out Batman and Prometheus. Not so sure about DS. Batman gets beaten by DS whenever they fight straight up, so I'm sure if Bullseye actually did win, it would be a hell of a fight.
The fact that you think Bullseye can take Batman and Prometheus [a guy that's fought JLA members] and someone using his armor was able to defeat Lady Shiva in seconds, also shows that you haven't read a single thing on either of these characters.
Read Detective comics #710 where Batman fights Deathstroke at the end of the comic and smashed his face with his own sniper rifle. Bullseye would be taken down in seconds by either of these characters. Batman already has accuracy and throwing feats that rival Bullseye and would wreck him in about 20 seconds up close.
Also, Prometheus is above Deathstroke so saying that Bullseye can take can Prometheus but not Deathstroke shows yet again that you have no idea what you are talking about. You also talk about Bullseye as if he's somehow Deathstroke's equal, when Bullseye has gotten his ass kicked by the Punisher TWICE. Either Prometheus or Deathstroke solo could kill Bullseye and Daredevil at the same time, with ease.
False. Not only has DD beaten Wolverine, but he's beaten Sabertooth as well. He was winning against Deadpool, but he had been tricked by Deadpool.
First of all Daredevil defeated Sabertooth before he had had any established powers. This was Creed before Weapon X was induced into his origins and he was getting his ass kicked by a weakened, blind Daniel Rand. Hardly an impressive feat. Had you actually read the comic instead of finding random scans on the internet you would know this.
Wolverine had every possible advantage. The guy was amoral, accompanied by Hand ninja, was directly on top of DD with claws ready to pop into DD's skull, and had a DD who just wanted to help him. What happened? DD was handling Wolverine like he was getting paid by the hour to do it. And no. Wolverine told DD to stay back because he didn't know when the mind control would be placed back in effect. Not because he would somehow beat DD, even though he wasn't doing it before and with every possible advantage.
Daredevil hit a FERAL Logan in the throat. Not a solid win because Wolverine was FERAL.
Dude...READ THE COMIC...Wolverine was going to kill Daredevil until that sniper shot at him and saved Matt. He didn't handle Wolverine either. He tackled Wolverine down a flight of stairs, Wolverine kneed him in the gut then Matt him with a dumbell which knocked him back on that sword. Which wasn't even on purpose since Matt screamed because he thought he killed him.
I also find it hilarious that you want to dismiss Captain America handing Daredevil his ass because of mind control yet you have no problem using these Wolverine instances. You think that a Feral Wolverine is in top fighting form? You think that a Hydra controlled Wolverine is fighting in top form? And even if he was it doesn't change the fact that Matt had to hit him with a dumbell to knock him back. You're double standards are as obvious as your bias.
Deathstroke never KO'd Batman. He knee'd him in the face, then ran off, the next time he punched him,. then ran off again. When Deathstroke couldn't run anymore he lost. Batman only threw a baterang to disarm him of his sniper rifle, then they wrestled on the ground, then Batman punched him and hit him with his own rifle. That's much closer to a solid win then Daredevil hitting Wolverine in the face with a dumbbell and accidentally knocking him back on a sword.
DS ko'd Batman around that encounter. It's just that Batman came back up, hit him with a batarang from behind, attacked him from behind, dazed DS a bit with a punch, and then before DS could get up to do some hurting swung at DS with the butt of his sniper rifle. DS wasn't out to kill Batman at all. He just wanted to get his job done. I really don't class as that as a solid win. You're free to do it if you want, though.
Daredevil doesn't have telepathy in that sense. He's been able to communicate with Stick but he's never shown the ability to read minds. So his telepathy isn't going to help him in a fight. The only thing his telepathy is going to do for him here is let him call for help when he's getting his ass kicked.
Daredevil has superhuman senses as well as low-level telepathy and superhuman equilibrium.
Doesn't change the fact that you know next to nothing about the character and have never read any of his comics, proven time and time again by your ridiculous and bias posting. Doesn't change the fact that you're still incredibly Marvel biased either.
I'm a big fan of the Dark Knight. He's one of the few DC characters that I really like. I know what he's capable of. Batman' good, but he's never displayed the kind of crazy stuff that DD's displayed.
Doesn't matter because Spiderman holds back and is an idiot when it comes to fighting. Daredevil isn't as agile as Spiderman is, nor does he have better reaction time. You said it yourself that Spiderman's spider sense was acting weird which is why Daredevil blocked that shot.
I bring it up because what you say isn't true. Spider-Man outclasses DD in raw speed and strength. Everyone knows that. It's just that DD outclasses Spider-Man in everything else. DD's a better h2h fighter, is more agile, has better reaction time, and has far better senses. DD can sense danger faster than Spider-Man, can actually tell what it is, and can tell where it is coming from.
The only thing he really outclasses Spiderman in is fighting skill and his radar has some conventional abilities that Spider sense doesn't, like being able to see 360 degrees or being able to detect people. That's why Daredevil was able to block that shot that Spiderman couldn't, because he could detect, not because his reaction time is better.
C'mon dude. Deadpool, Spider-Man, and Wolverine would all beat Batman as well, with or without gear. He only wins against them if he has prep. The only reason I say Batman would win is because of his tech that disrupts superhuman hearing Without it, he'd lose to DD too.
You're repeating yourself again. Deadpool would beat Batman, just like he beat the Cat right? Oh wait I forgot, Cat handed him his ass. Daredevil never beat him either. Bats would kick Deadpool's ass worse then Shen Kuie did. Punisher has also stalemated Deadpool, he's comic relief, a mediocre fighter.
Spiderman could beat Batman if he didn't hold back. Spiderman is also a terrible fighter so your logic is horrible. Daredevil never beat Spiderman when he didn't hold back, except for when he had the Symbiote and Daredevil only won because Peter wasn't thinking straight.
Wolverine could beat Batman but it doesn't matter because Daredevil has never beaten Wolverine.
At least with Deathstroke and Prometheus they are excellent fighters and Batman has actually BEATEN them without equipment. Not to mention both would kill Matt with absolute ease as well.
Nope. Sorry. Batman's feats don't really come close to matching DD's. Daredevil's done so much more with so much less. His tech saves him here. Without it, he loses.
Which once again proves that you do not read Batman comics, but I'll educate you because I'm about to show feats that pretty much make Daredevil feats look like nothing. Daredevil hasn't done as much as Batman has even without tech or equipment. The reason why Batman uses tech is because he fights characters beyond street levelers. If you put Daredevil up against Amazo with nothing but billy clubs he'd die in an instant. Daredevil couldn't even beat rogues like Ivy Freeze or Clayface.
When it comes to fighting martial artist Batman has done better then Daredevil. When it comes to fighting metahumans Batman has done better then Daredevil. Essentially, Daredevil is a watered down Batman knock off. Daredevil is essentially a slower, weaker, less skilled, less intelligent, less impressive clone.
Not to mention that several of Daredevil's rogue gallery rips off Batman's rogue gallery....Jester=Joker..Mr Fear= Scarecrow....he really is a wannabe Batman.
P.S. Flipping the limo, while impressive isn't a big deal. There are humans in real life that can flip over cars. Not to mention that Daredevil used leverage to flip over the limo and his entire body, including his back and legs which are some of the strongest muscles. When Batman benches 1000lbs he's only using his arms and his chest muscles.
You think that Matt throwing 400lbs is impressive? Batman's effortlessly swung Manbat around like he was a toy, who weighs 600lbs BTW.
Batman's lifted a pillar that a dozen SWAT officers couldn't budge, and he's held up part of a building on 2 occasions which pretty much kill all of Matt's strength feats. I'm about to post feats that pretty much kill your scans along with any credibility your argument may of had.
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How does gear help Batman dodge a sniper bullet? Does Batman have "move his head out of the way automatically" device or something? Stop trying to downplay his feats by saying he uses gear for everything.
The guy had a hand in the making of Brother Eye. He's designed machines specially made to kill his closest allies. Why would such a thing be seen a farfetched? Also, Batman thrives off of his tech. It's a big part of why he's such a great threat. To pretend that Batman doesn't depend heavily on his tech is ridiculous.
Batman fights characters with guns and dodges gun fire all the time, without a gimmicky radar sense.
A lot of characters fight people with guns. That doesn't make them bullet timers. A bullet timer is someone who can dodge a bullet that is already out of the barrel. Batman is guy that can't do that. Batman can avert guns by throwing batarangs at the hands of people, he can jump for cover behind things, he can place things in between himself and the aim of a person, he can get lucky and not have bullets hit him as he goes for a critical strike, and he can take abuse from guns due to the kevlar in his suit, but what he can't do is dodge a bullet that's in mid flight. He's not capable of such a thing, nor has ever been. Daredevil beats him handedly in that department.
The fact that you think Bullseye can take Batman and Prometheus [a guy that's fought JLA members] and someone using his armor was able to defeat Lady Shiva in seconds, also shows that you haven't read a single thing on either of these characters.
Prometheus one-shoting Lady Shiva was clearly PIS. Prometheus even handling the JLA was PIS. Many of the JLA move faster than light speed. Him even being able to tag the Martian is ridiculous.
Lady Shiva, unlike Batman, is actually a bullet timer and reads body movement. Not only that, but she's taken Batman's best punches. Prometheus needs tech and prep to be a threat. Without PIS, Lady Shiva should handle him and do so greatly. Without PIS and gear, Shiva would lays him to waste.
Read Detective comics #710 where Batman fights Deathstroke at the end of the comic and smashed his face with his own sniper rifle.
I know. I don't class it as a truly solid win. DS didn't want to fight Batman. If he really did, he would have killed Batman in round 1.
Bullseye would be taken down in seconds by either of these characters.
Not only are many of Bullseye's bones covered with adamantium, but the man consistently outdoes people with superhuman agility and takes hits from people who are in the tons strength range. He has nothing to fear from either Batman or Prometheus. Batman's kevlar and Prometheus' helmet are not going to protect them. If either combatant were to start the fight 100 feet away from Bullseye, and Bullseye were to have standard gear, it would be spite.
Batman already has accuracy and throwing feats that rival Bullseye
Batman's best accuracy feats don't even come close to what Bullseye does on a whim.
Also, Prometheus is above Deathstroke so saying that Bullseye can take can Prometheus but not Deathstroke shows yet again that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Prometheus without PIS and gear would get destroyed by DS. Hell. Without PIS, DS would clown him. DS has a healing factor, greater strength, greater skills, and thinks faster than any normal man, which Prometheus is. Aim for the helmet, and it's a done deal.
BTW Punisher has kicked Bullseyes ass twice.
Punisher is nowhere near Bullseye in skill. In all of their fights, all Bullseye ever truly does is play with him like a cat does with a ball of yarn. The only reason Bullseye has ever lost to Punisher is because Bullseye is a sociopath and has never taken any of their fights seriously. If Bullseye truly wanted Punisher dead, he'd be dead.
Daredevil hit a FERAL Logan in the throat. Not a solid win because Wolverine was FERAL.
Him being feral doesn't take away how dangerous he was. A feral Sabertooth would routinely beat Wolverine.
Dude...READ THE COMIC...Wolverine was going to kill Daredevil until that sniper shot at him and saved Matt.
How about you read the comic? Wolverine already knew Elektra was here, because Hydra alerted him to Elektra and S.H.I.E.L.D.
Wolverine kneed him in the gut then Matt him with a dumbell which knocked him back on that sword. Which wasn't even on purpose since Matt screamed because he thought he killed him.
DD was clearly handling not only Wolverine well, but the Hand ninjas too. DD was far from serious about hurting Wolverine. Wolverine got that knee only because DD was trying to calm him down and talk him out of his brain washing. Also, swords stab through Wolverine all of the time. Saying that DD was afraid that the sword somehow killed him is ridiculous.
Wolverine flat out tells Matt to get back because he the mind control can turn back on any minute.
And? Was Wolverine going to somehow magically win, even though he wasn't doing it before?
also find it hilarious that you want to dismiss Captain America handing Daredevil his ass because of mind control yet you have no problem using these Wolverine instances.
Captain America has never handed DD his ass and Captain America and DD were always hampered in some form or another in their fights.
You think that a Feral Wolverine is in top fighting form? You think that a Hydra controlled Wolverine is fighting in top form?
Feral Wolverine is an incredibly deadly opponent, though I doubt he was in top fighting form. Mind controlled Wolverine is far more deadly than normal Wolverine however for he has no morals and nothing had shown itself to inhibit his cognitive ability.
And even if he was it doesn't change the fact that Matt had to hit him with a dumbell to knock him back.
DD didn't need to hit him with the dumbell. The guy can punch through cars and bend steel bars. He's a master ninja and can deliver nerve punches that can manipulate and stop bodily systems. The man was clearly not blood-lusted, and simply wished to distance himself from Wolverine, yet in a way that wouldn't severely harm him.
Deathstroke never KO'd Batman.
He's KO'd Batman numerous times. He had him down on the ground twice in fight, and completely at his mercy. He just left him alone.
He knee'd him in the face, then ran off, the next time he punched him,. then ran off again. When Deathstroke couldn't run anymore he lost. Batman only threw a baterang to disarm him of his sniper rifle, then they wrestled on the ground, then Batman punched him and hit him with his own rifle.
DS didn't run off. He simply didn't want to finish off Batman, for he wasn't interested in finishing off Batman. Batman sneak attacked him, punched him, and then hit DS with the rifle, which shouldn't have worked even though DS was clearly just annoyed by Batman and not blood-lusted. The only reason he won was because DS was not out to kill Batman, was ambush attacked, and was without his powers.
Doesn't change the fact that you know next to nothing about the character and have never read any of his comics, proven time and time again by your ridiculous and bias posting. Doesn't change the fact that you're still incredibly Marvel biased either.
Dude. You're the guy who said Batman would beat Bullseye in seconds and that Batman has comparable feats in accuracy. That's textbook fanboyism.
Daredevil isn't as agile as Spiderman is, nor does he have better reaction time.
Daredevil is clearly more agile than Spider-Man and clearly has better reaction time. We see that not only in their feats, but in their fights as well. DD consistently outdoes Spider-Man in those departments.
You're repeating yourself again. Deadpool would beat Batman, just like he beat the Cat right? Oh wait I forgot, Cat handed him his ass. Daredevil never beat him either. Bats would kick Deadpool's ass worse then Shen Kuie did.
That’s a low showing, but still doesn’t mean Batman wins. The Cat is on par with Shang-Chi(a guy who bullet times, enhances himself with energy, and who contends with 100 tonners) and he didn't truly win the fight. Not only was Deadpool his zany, light-hearted self, but Deadpool still could have continued. He left the fight, because it could have lead to the death of either him or Deadpool. To use Cat as a replacement for Batman is pretty bad. Deadpool's beaten Taskmaster, Wolverine, Bullesye, Captain America, and held his own against Iron Fist. For every fight he's lost against one guy, there are 20 more he's won or done well in against others. Deadpool outclasses Batman in every possible way, except for h2h skill and gear. With or without gear, a serious Deadpool kills him. The guy's a 2-to-4 tonner who has an insane healing factor, superhuman stamina, and is a master martial artist. The man has been shot in the face with high caliber guns and had his heart ripped apart and still won fights. Put Deadpool at his best and Batman at his best, and you can see how Batman doesn’t win this.
Daredevil never beat Spiderman when he didn't hold back,
DD has beaten Spider-Man three times to my knowledge, and they were all when Spider-Man was angry. Spider-Man has only beaten DD when he was angry, and when all DD wanted to do was talk with him.
Daredevil couldn't even beat rogues like Ivy Freeze or Clayface.
DD could easily defeat Ivy and Freeze. He could probably beat Clayface too, even though Batman has never beaten Clayface h2h but through his gear and knowledge of Clayface’s physiology. Daredevil's faced off against guys who could challenge Thor, and he did it while he was truly blind. He’s a beast.
Flipping the limo, while impressive isn't a big deal. There are humans in real life that can flip over cars. Not to mention that Daredevil used leverage to flip over the limo and his entire body, including his back and legs which are some of the strongest muscles. When Batman benches 1000lbs he's only using his arms and his chest muscles.
Your typical car weighs 1,800 pounds. This thing was a limo. It was at least 3,000. It doesn't matter whether he used leverage or not. You'd first have to even budge the thing off the ground. People in the real world don't turn them over like DD did. It would take four to five people just to attempt it by ramming against the car multiple times. Also, the 1,000 pound feat isn't something DD couldn't do. He curled 400 without even trying, used it as a staff, and hurled it at a guy like a ball. The average man can bench 3 to 4 times as much as he can curl. Do you honestly think DD can't at least match 1,000 pounds?
You think that Matt throwing 400lbs is impressive? Batman's effortlessly swung Manbat around like he was a toy, who weighs 600lbs BTW.
DD tossed the 400lb bar 10 feet across the room and did so easily, while Batman was working off of the centripetal force Manbat had already generated while being up in the air.
Also, a lot of those feats DD could either match, do better, or are PIS. Batman cannot do jack to Captain Marvel nor can he dodge lightening. Unlike DD, Batman doesn't have superhuman equilibrium, reflexes, and cannot register slight changes in the atmosphere. It would hit him before he would even register it. DD handling Namor is not PIS, considering he's fought Namor more than once and with similar results.
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The guy had a hand in the making of Brother Eye. He's designed machines specially made to kill his closest allies. Why would such a thing be seen a farfetched? Also, Batman thrives off of his tech. It's a big part of why he's such a great threat. To pretend that Batman doesn't depend heavily on his tech is ridiculous.
You didn't answer my question. How did tech help him dodge that sniper bullet? Did the tech automatically move his head out of the way? Batman relies heavily on tech because he's one of the few street level characters in comics, that regularly fights characters like Amazo, Bizzaro, Despero, Doctor Light, Polaris, Sonar, Eclipso. These are the types of villains that cause Batman to rely heavily on tech. If you put Daredevil up against these characters then he'd be killed in seconds. Last time I checked, Daredevil wasn't on or anywhere near the same level as these characters are. His tech is what makes him so dangerous when he's fighting top tier characters, not human combatants. I don't even know why your mentioning the Brother Eye. Did Batman make it so he can dodge sniper rounds? No? Than it's irrelevant and has no bearing on this fight. Also he didn't create the Brother Eye to kill his allies, he created it to monitor every meta human because they mind wiped him and he didn't trust them anymore. The reason why Batman is capable of creating such amazing tech is because he's one of the central characters in his universe. Daredevil is insignificant in his unverse and has no real impact outside of the streets. Not to mention that Daredevil isn't nearly intelligent enough nor does he have the resources to create something like the Brother Eye. In short Batman is the best of 2 worlds, he's a top level martial artist and human combatant, above Daredevil's league, then he has tech rivaling some of the top scientist in comics.
A lot of characters fight people with guns. That doesn't make them bullet timers. A bullet timer is someone who can dodge a bullet that is already out of the barrel. Batman is guy that can't do that. Batman can avert guns by throwing batarangs at the hands of people, he can jump for cover behind things, he can place things in between himself and the aim of a person, he can get lucky and not have bullets hit him as he goes for a critical strike, and he can take abuse from guns due to the kevlar in his suit, but what he can't do is dodge a bullet that's in mid flight. He's not capable of such a thing, nor has ever been. Daredevil beats him handedly in that department.
I've already shown Batman deflecting bullets after they were fired. I've also shown him dodged a sniper shot after it was fired as well. So trying to downplay Batman's bullet dodging capabilities isn't helping your case. I've even shown him dodging lightning which is leagues faster then a bullet. So far based on the feats shown Batman outclasses Daredevil in the speed department.
Prometheus one-shoting Lady Shiva was clearly PIS. Prometheus even handling the JLA was PIS. Many of the JLA move faster than light speed. Him even being able to tag the Martian is ridiculous.
Lady Shiva, unlike Batman, is actually a bullet timer and reads body movement. Not only that, but she's taken Batman's best punches. Prometheus needs tech and prep to be a threat. Without PIS, Lady Shiva should handle him and do so greatly. Without PIS and gear, Shiva would lays him to waste.
LOLOLOLOL Do you know anything about Prometheus? He's only have like 3 or 4 major fights. None of his fights are PIS because their consistent and go properly with his character and capabilities. I love how you try to comment on characters you know nothing about.
Right even though Batman has stalemated Lady Shiva it's PIS?? Why exactly is it PIS? Because you say it is even though you didn't read the comic?
You know what's funny? Batman laid her out in Public Enemies when she was under mind control...the mind control was probably effecting her but you certainly had no problem using Wolverine from Enemy of the State...at least Batman won his fight...
I know. I don't class it as a truly solid win. DS didn't want to fight Batman. If he really did, he would have killed Batman in round 1.
Not really, had Deathstroke stayed and fought then who knows how the fight could of turned out. The fact is that when Deathstroke decided to stop running and fight he lost. It's a win for Batman and nothing for Deathstroke
Not only are many of Bullseye's bones covered with adamantium, but the man consistently outdoes people with superhuman agility and takes hits from people who are in the tons strength range. He has nothing to fear from either Batman or Prometheus. Batman's kevlar and Prometheus' helmet are not going to protect them. If either combatant were to start the fight 100 feet away from Bullseye, and Bullseye were to have standard gear, it would be spite.
Bullseye's adamatitum hasn't stopped him from getting his ass kicked. Recently Taskmaster one shotted him despite his adamantium skeleton. They can be 500 feet away and they'd still murder him. If you read Streets of Poison [which I doubt you have] Crossbones was able to get in close to Bullseye by using the environment, got in close and nearly killed Bullseye. And considering that Crossbones is an idiot compared to Batman and Prometheus, either of them could beat Bullseye easily regardless if they were 100 feet away or 10 feet away.
Batman's best accuracy feats don't even come close to what Bullseye does on a whim.
I stated his accuracy feats rival Bullseye's which are absolutely true. That feat you showed of Bullseye killing that chick with the baby isn't someting he does on a regular basis. The reason why Bullseye has some insane accuracy feats is because that's essentially his gimmick. His consistent regular accuracy showings are maybe slightly better then Batman's. [Batman has taken a copper down with a knife but chances are you'll scream PIS there also]
Prometheus without PIS and gear would get destroyed by DS. Hell. Without PIS, DS would clown him. DS has a healing factor, greater strength, greater skills, and thinks faster than any normal man, which Prometheus is. Aim for the helmet, and it's a done deal.
I really don't see where you get the tendency to talk about characters that you have no knowledge of. It's getting quite annoying now having to correct your fallacies on numerous threads. Prometheus' helmet gives him enhanced physical strength and speed, and the skills of the 30 top martial artist on the planet so saying Deathstroke is stronger faster and more skilled proves yet again that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Saying Deathstroke would destroy Prometheus without his gear is like saying Deathstroke would destroy Tony Stark without the Iron Man suit. The gear is what made him so formidable in the first place. Screaming PIS again isn't helping your case.
Punisher is nowhere near Bullseye in skill. In all of their fights, all Bullseye ever truly does is play with him like a cat does with a ball of yarn. The only reason Bullseye has ever lost to Punisher is because Bullseye is a sociopath and has never taken any of their fights seriously. If Bullseye truly wanted Punisher dead, he'd be dead.
That explains why Bullseye lost to him twice right? On 2 separate occasions Punisher could of killed Bullseye if he wanted to. In one of these instances Bullseye looked like he was about to shit himself when Castle was about to kill him. Everytime Punisher got in close he wrecked Bullseye in about 3 or 4 panels. If Bullseye is too stupid to take him seriously then that's his own fault and is something can be exploited
Him being feral doesn't take away how dangerous he was. A feral Sabertooth would routinely beat Wolverine.
Him being feral means he's not using his fighting skills similar to the Captain America Daredevil instances that you love to dismiss.
How about you read the comic? Wolverine already knew Elektra was here, because Hydra alerted him to Elektra and S.H.I.E.L.D.
Relevance? He still wasn't expecting to get shot at. It's the only reason why Matt survived, because someone saved him.
DD was clearly handling not only Wolverine well, but the Hand ninjas too. DD was far from serious about hurting Wolverine. Wolverine got that knee only because DD was trying to calm him down and talk him out of his brain washing. Also, swords stab through Wolverine all of the time. Saying that DD was afraid that the sword somehow killed him is ridiculous.
Do you even know what the definition of handling is? Handling would be if Daredevil dominated the entire fight. When he only survived because Wolverine was sniped at, then tackled Wolverine, then got knee'd in the gut, then hit him with a dumb bell. There was a total of 2 or 3 hits in the entire fight. A tackle, a knee to the gut and a dumbbell to the face.
Really....then why exactly was Matt screaming when he accidentally knocked Wolverine on the sword??? Boy I can't wait to here your explanation on that....
Matt wasn't winning either, and once he ran out of dumb bells to him with then he would of probably died.
And? Was Wolverine going to somehow magically win, even though he wasn't doing it before?
Really? Then why bother hitting him with it in the first place if he didn't need it? Because at that time Matt was practically helpless on the ground. His normal punches wouldn't even harm Wolverine so he had to hit him with a dumbbell to keep distance. Even if Matt was blood lusted he still would have no way of harming Wolverine where Wolverine would of only needed one decent hit to kill him. Matt was simply desperate. Had he not hit him with the dumb bell then Daredevil would of most likely died.
DD didn't need to hit him with the dumbell. The guy can punch through cars and bend steel bars. He's a master ninja and can deliver nerve punches that can manipulate and stop bodily systems. The man was clearly not blood-lusted, and simply wished to distance himself from Wolverine, yet in a way that wouldn't severely harm him.
Do you know what the definition of a KO is? It means you knock someone unconscious. Slade never did this, he never had Batman at his mercy, he him once then ran then did i t again....
He's KO'd Batman numerous times. He had him down on the ground twice in fight, and completely at his mercy. He just left him alone.
DS didn't run off. He simply didn't want to finish off Batman, for he wasn't interested in finishing off Batman. Batman sneak attacked him, punched him, and then hit DS with the rifle, which shouldn't have worked even though DS was clearly just annoyed by Batman and not blood-lusted. The only reason he won was because DS was not out to kill Batman, was ambush attacked, and was without his powers.
First you didn't know what the meaning of the word KO is, now you don't know what the meaning of running off is. Running away = running off.
Batman didn't sneak attack him, he used a baterang to to disarm him of his sniper rifle, they wrestled on the ground then Batman punched him then hit him with his own rifle. They were already engaged in combat when Batman beat him so saying it was a sneak attack is a weak argument. Saying Deathstroke wasn't out to kill Batman is also a weak argument because he was clearly shown fighting back and was unable to win.
Deathstroke was never without his powers either, provide proof of this please because this was never stated in any of the comics.
You think that Daredevil handled Wolverine despite only hitting him the face with a dumb bell yet Captain America didn't handle Daredevil despite landing more hits on....do your double standards ever end?Captain America has never handed DD his ass and Captain America and DD were always hampered in some form or another in their fights.
Feral Wolverine is an incredibly deadly opponent, though I doubt he was in top fighting form. Mind controlled Wolverine is far more deadly than normal Wolverine however for he has no morals and nothing had shown itself to inhibit his cognitive ability.
Uh..no he really isn't...Feral Wolverine is a brute and nothing more...an animal who doesn't bother using any of his combat skill. It's the same reason why Daredevil was able to beat Spiderman in his 5th Annual and in Spectacular Spiderman #110, neither Wolverine nor Spiderman were thinking straight and Daredevil, or any decent fighter for that matter could take advantage of that.
Daredevil was similar to Wolverine in Dead on Arrival where he was blood lusted yet you want to dismiss Captain America beating his ass. Another double standard..nice...
Daredevil is clearly more agile than Spider-Man and clearly has better reaction time. We see that not only in their feats, but in their fights as well. DD consistently outdoes Spider-Man in those departments.
Why don't we take a look at some of those fights shall we?
Daredevil v1 #16. Spiderman showed more agility in this fight when he wall stuck and then kicked Daredevil in the face. The only thing Daredevil did was dodge 2 punches, then tie Spiderman to a pole and ran off to find the Daredevil Imposters. .
Daredevil #17. There was no use of agility in this fight, both dodge each other's attacks before Daredevil gets hit and states that he can't take another punch like that, then the fight gets interrupted.
Amazing Spiderman #16 Both used agility but neither had an advantage over the other.
Amazing Spiderman #287. The fight with Symbiote Spiderman, No one used agility in this fight, Spiderman dominated the fight.
Marvel Team Up v1 #25. Daredevil ambushes Spiderman, Daredevil punches Spiderman, Spiderman states that he was pulling his punches and when he's ready to fight for real Daredevil calls off the fight.
Daredevil Annual #5 Daredevil dominates the fight but only because Tyrannus had him under a spell. It even stated that Spiderman was fighting like an animal and didn't even bother trying to dodge.
Spectacular Spider-man #110, Daredevil defeated Spiderman because he was emotionally worked up [Daredevil's own words]
So which in any of these 7 fights did Daredevil show an agility or reaction advantage? None of them.
In fact, which of these fights did Daredevil win? Out of 7 fights, Daredevil won 2 of them because of the way Spiderman was fighting. He beat Spiderman when he was under Tyrannus' spell, and he beat Symbiote Spiderman because he was an emotional train wreck. The other times the fights were inconclusive, or Daredevil ended up getting his tail kicked and ran away from Spiderman.
That’s a low showing, but still doesn’t mean Batman wins. The Cat is on par with Shang-Chi(a guy who bullet times, enhances himself with energy, and who contends with 100 tonners) and he didn't truly win the fight. Not only was Deadpool his zany, light-hearted self, but Deadpool still could have continued. He left the fight, because it could have lead to the death of either him or Deadpool. To use Cat as a replacement for Batman is pretty bad. Deadpool's beaten Taskmaster, Wolverine, Bullesye, Captain America, and held his own against Iron Fist. For every fight he's lost against one guy, there are 20 more he's won or done well in against others. Deadpool outclasses Batman in every possible way, except for h2h skill and gear. With or without gear, a serious Deadpool kills him. The guy's a 2-to-4 tonner who has an insane healing factor, superhuman stamina, and is a master martial artist. The man has been shot in the face with high caliber guns and had his heart ripped apart and still won fights. Put Deadpool at his best and Batman at his best, and you can see how Batman doesn’t win this.
That isn't a low showing, Deadpool has never been anything more then a decent martial artist. Cat isn't on par with Shang Chi either since he's lost every fight they've had against each other. He's a B list martial artist and got one shotted by the Taskmaster. Saying Deadpool lost because he's zany and light hearted is an excuse used to justify his losses. The reason why Deadpool lost was because he's not a very good fighter, period. Deadpool was being light hearted and zany when he fought Daredevil on both occassions and guess what? Daredevil still couldn't beat him, so I guess that puts Cat a couple of notches above Daredevil by your logic.
You say that Deadpool has beaten Wolverine and Captain America? How am I suppose to take you seriously when you can't even get your facts straight.
Everytime Deadpool beat Wolverine it was because of some factor involved. In one fight Wolverine didn't have his healing factor, in another fight Wade had tons of prep, and in another fight Wolverine lost on purpose so he can lure Daken out. Deadpool has never beaten Wolverine in a fair fight.
Deadpool has never beaten Captain America either, in the second Deadpool volume Captain America was beating the shit out of Deadpool until he kicked Captain America in the balls. In Deadpool #28 Deadpool was beating on Cap because Cap didn't even want to fight, when Captain America started fighting back he beat the shit out of Deadpool until Moon knight interrupted the fight.
Taskmaster has beaten Deadpool also. Deadpool only did well against Iron Fist because Danny didn't use any chi abilities, and that fight only lasted about 2 panels, not to mention Deadpool was armed also. They had a fight in C/D Civil War when Danny was dressed up as Daredevil but once again, he didn't use any of his chi abilities.
You said that for every loss he has he has 20 wins? I doubt that since he never even beat half of the characters you listed. Deadpool doesn't outclass Batman in anything except for his durability...he isn't a 2-4 tonner, I'm not sure where you got that from...even characters like Wolverine, Deathstroke and Captain America aren't 2-4 tonners and they're all stronger then Deadpool is. The only possible way that Deadpool could defeat Batman is if you stripped Batman of his gears and gave Deadpool his. Gear against Gear or hand to hand, Batman would beat Wade due to Wade being a decent fighter at best, and no where near Batman's level.
That's beside the point, even if you think Deadpool could beat Batman, the fact is Daredevil never beat him so it's irrelevant. In fact even with Silver Sable helping him, Matt still couldn't beat Deadpool. If Daredevil can't beat Deadpool but characters like Captain America can, then the simple fact is Daredevil isn't on Captain America's level either.
At least with Batman he beats characters he fights, characters like Deathstroke Prometheus Wrath and Zeiss, who would all kill Matt with ease.
Not only is your knowledge of Batman severely limited but your knowledge of his rogue gallery is as well. How would Daredevil beat Freeze? Daredevil would punch him and his hand would break on impact. Same with Ivy, she'd probably take control of Daredevil and tell him to jump off of a building.
DD could easily defeat Ivy and Freeze. He could probably beat Clayface too, even though Batman has never beaten Clayface h2h but through his gear and knowledge of Clayface’s physiology. Daredevil's faced off against guys who could challenge Thor, and he did it while he was truly blind. He’s a beast.
Batman has never beaten Clayface in hand to hand...you know why? Because he's made of freaking clay....any punch or kick would do nothing to him, if Daredevil fought him any attack he tried would be useless.
Seriously, please try to use some common sense.. I know it's asking alot but just try.
I find it funny that you want to call PIS on Batman's feats yet say Daredevil faces Thor villains is a legit feat. Double standard....again....
Your typical car weighs 1,800 pounds. This thing was a limo. It was at least 3,000. It doesn't matter whether he used leverage or not. You'd first have to even budge the thing off the ground. People in the real world don't turn them over like DD did. It would take four to five people just to attempt it by ramming against the car multiple times. Also, the 1,000 pound feat isn't something DD couldn't do. He curled 400 without even trying, used it as a staff, and hurled it at a guy like a ball. The average man can bench 3 to 4 times as much as he can curl. Do you honestly think DD can't at least match 1,000 pounds?
Use common sense please. Leverage plays a huge role in flipping over a car, not to mention that the only parts of the feat shown were Daredevil pushed the bottom part of the car. You're assuming that he knelled over, grabbed the limo from the bottom, lifted then pushed, when I can easily assume that he used his entire body to push the car from it's site, flipping it then pushing from the bottom. It's still a good feat but no where near the calibur of the feats Batman has shown.
Not really, in high school weight lifting I was able to curl 75 and bench about 180. Even if Daredevil could bench double what he curled he'd still be weak.
Not to mention that when Batman was working out it wasn't just 1000lbs, only the big weights stated 500lbs and that wasn't including the smaller weights. So I'd add about another 100-200 lbs to that.
First of all, that wasn't even Captain Marvel that shot lightning at Batman. You would know this if you read the comic.
DD tossed the 400lb bar 10 feet across the room and did so easily, while Batman was working off of the centripetal force Manbat had already generated while being up in the air.
Also, a lot of those feats DD could either match, do better, or are PIS. Batman cannot do jack to Captain Marvel nor can he dodge lightening. Unlike DD, Batman doesn't have superhuman equilibrium, reflexes, and cannot register slight changes in the atmosphere. It would hit him before he would even register it. DD handling Namor is not PIS, considering he's fought Namor more than once and with similar results.
Second of all, just because you think Batman can't dodge lightning or do insane feats doesn't mean it's true, it just means that simply know little about the character [as demonstrated by you numerous times] and simply don't want to accept his superiority due to him being a DC character. I actually had a strong feeling that if you posted again you would try screaming PIS. So this is hardly surprising.
Actually..no...
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/circles/u6l1c.cfm
Centriptel force would only apply if Manbat was flying in a circle generating velocity. In this case he was flying away from Batman. So Batman not only pulled back Manbat who weighs 600lbs but pulled against Manbat's own force and flying power. I'd add about another half ton to the total force+weight that Batman pulled against.
Nice try though
You can say Daredevil can do those feats just as good or better but the fact is that he hasn't. All of the feats you've shown I've 1 up'd. Daredevil flipping a limo pales in comparison to Batman holding up a building on 2 separation occasions and lifting a support beam that 12 SWAT officers couldn't budge, beat all of Daredevil's strength feats
Batman vanishing before Jay Garrick, a light speeder could find him, Batman vanishing in front of Azrael, Batman hitting Kid Flash, Batman reacting to Johnny Quick, Batman blitzing Kyle Rayner and stealing his ring, Batman dodging a lightning bolt, dodging and deflecting bullets and sniper fire without a gimmicky radar ability beat all of Daredevil's speed feats. Even Batman switching 2 cups in the time it took that monk to blink. That means that Batman can perform an action at .015 of a second. Something Daredevil is incapable of.
Batman doesn't have superhuman senses but he doesn't need a gimmicky super power. The dude's already stronger and faster then Daredevil is, smarter and a better martial artist, and hit's a lot harder, plus he has better pressure point feats then Daredevil does.
The only thing Daredevil's senses are going to do is help him find the nearest exit when he's getting his ass kicked by Batman.
Batman beats better martial artist than Daredevil, Batman actually beats Deathstroke, Prometheus, Bane, Zeiss, David Cain and Wrath without gear and in fair fights where Daredevil doesn't beat Wolverine, Deadpool [who's a decent at best] or Iron Fist. If Daredevil actually beat these guys in legit fights where no one is hindered, then you would have a credible argument on your hands, but that isn't the case. You keep insisting that Daredevil handled Wolverine in EOTS even though he only hit him with a dumb bell, and Wolverine was under mind control. Batman beat down Shiva in Public Enemies but I don't count that because mind control hinders a characters fighting ability. But at the very least he actually beat a mind controlled Shiva where Daredevil only survived against a mind controlled Wolverine because he used an object.
Batman beats more powerful metahumans then Daredevil does. First you said Daredevil was handling Wolverine even though he was about to die on 2 occasions, now you're saying he handled Namor? Daredevil has never actually beaten Namor before. You need to learn what the meaning of the word handle used in this context is.
Batman has beaten Grundy and Cheetah several times, without any tech, he's also beaten the Teen Titans which included Kid Flash and Donna Troy, in like 2 pages.
Batman would wreck Bullseye up close in seconds, that is a fact and has nothing to do with his any fanboyism. Batman having comparable accuracy is also fact, here are some specific accuracy feats just for you.
Dude. You're the guy who said Batman would beat Bullseye in seconds and that Batman has comparable feats in accuracy. That's textbook fanboyism.
Knocks out a sniper with a golf ball
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-golfsnipe.jpg
Disarms and knocks out several gunmen with coins
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-coins.jpg
Disarms and knocks someone out with a single bottlecap
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-bottlecap.jpg
He can ricochet his baterangs too
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-batarangtrick1a.jpg
KO's a guy and disarms another, with a single baterang
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-batarangtrick2.jpg
Deflects a shuriken to save someone, when it's only inches from his face.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-shuriken.jpg
Throws an arrow into someone's gun
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-arrow.jpg
Splits an arrow in half mid flight
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-artemis.jpg
Most impressive feat, taking down a chopper, with a knife. I've never seen Bullseye do anything of this calibur.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-copter2.jpg
Batman easily has accuracy rivaling Bullseyes. It's just not his gimmick which is why I give Bullseye a slight nod in that category but he's severely outclassed in everything else hence why he won't be much of a challenge. But don't worry, I'm fully prepared for you to cry PIS on some these feats.
Textbook fanboyism is how you always insist a Marvel character wins even though the opposite is quite obvious. In this thread alone I've seen you use double standards at least 10-15 times. You keep saying Daredevil beat Wolverine even though this never happened, you say Daredevil handled Wolverine by hitting him in the face with a dumbbell but say Cap never handled Daredevil despite hitting him numerous times while holding back. You want to call PIS on Batman';s feats even though their far more consistent than Daredevil's feats, but don't mind using obvious PIS feats like Daredevil fighting Namor and the Wrecking Crew. You say that fighting Namor isn't PIS because it happened more then once, most of the feats I've shown for Batman have happened more then once but you had no problem dismissing them as PIS.
BTW In their second fight in Daredevil #77, Spiderman was helping Daredevil fight Namor, and they still lost. So unless theres a third fight, as far as I know DD and Namor had one fight one on one, which he lost.
Bottom line, if it's consistent than it's valid, you can cry PIS as much as you want, but as far as what's been shown, Batman's consistent feats put him above Daredevil in all categories except his senses, and maybe his agility, neither are enough to save Matt from getting his ass kicked though.
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