Captain America's shield vs. Captain Cold's gun

Round 1: Comic versions

Round 2: Live Action versions

• Could Cap's shield endure prolonged exposure to the absolute zero output of Snart's gun?
• Please support your answers with feats or scans.

Captain America:

@i_like_swords @progenitor @veshark @risingbean @wolverine08 @monsterstomp @patrat18 @cosmicallyaware1 @cable_extreme@super_soldierxii @thor_parker82 @captain_batman_ftw @oceanmaster21 @kokemabb200

Captain Cold:

@beaconofstrength @icecold14 @thetruebarryallen @sync1 @jmarshmallow @pokeysteve @batman242 @ancient_0f_days @unbreakable_fs4 @demonknights @thedailybagel @comicace3 @comicdude360 @pierpat @stupid_people @thitiki @godzilla44 @darkseid1006 @themagicstik @artyom @nighthunder

This is an interesting question, I don't know how I'd answer.

People should keep in mind the effect that absolute zero has on molecules. It's not about durability... Well it is but scans of the shield tanking hits from Thor aren't what's needed.

Cold Gun

I predict the absolute zero temperature should restrict the shield from dispersing the shock from any impact, making it more brittle

Well I'm not a scientist but if absolute zero is really the point at which atoms and molecules stop moving, caps shield could theoretically be broken. Since vibranium works by vibrating the force of any impact and releasing this puts less stress on the shield which allows great durability. However if the gun can stop vibranium from well.. Vibrating a strong force might be able to break the shield. I could be wrong but it's just a thought

Can't post scans right now but I might find something

Comic version probably tanks it.

Live action who knows. Scientists have never reached absolute zero, I don't think. Metals are treated with liquid nitrogen which makes them tougher. Liquid nitrogen isn't that far off from absolute zero. 150 or so degrees F.

@pokeysteve: tbh if them riot shields cisco made for the police tanked the cold gun i reckon live actions would

Im not too sure on comic versions though

I say it doesnt break, its not a brittle metal

I couldn't remember what he did to the riot shields. He's a tech guy.

Intresting, the Prison Break guy is the actor for Captain Cold

@ninjawarrior268: He's one of the most entertaining parts of the show too.

The Shield, of course.

It may well stop the shield from dispersing energy of a blow, but it may also still be strong enough, that it just causes a much bigger recoil to the person hitting it. Throw a ball against a wall and the wall will transfer some of the energy, thus limiting the balls return, but if that wall isn't capable of absorbing the energy, then the wall either breaks, or the ball is returned, with more force. I guess what I'm saying is, it depends on who is then hitting the shield.

Based on how they function comic colds gun should win over the shield unless the shield has magic on it then all bets are out the window.

Based on how comics work Caps shield will win even without magic because it's a legacy item.

R1: Shield

R2: Cold Gun

R1 CA shield

R2 CC gun

probably

Comics and live action, Shield probably survives.

Using real life science? Shield probably doesn't.

"Absolute Zero Blast: The gun, as explained by the thieving S.T.A.R. Labs janitor who stole it, shoots a "white flame" that cools. Actually, the gun contains a micro-engine that generates Absolute Zero cold. The engine projects the cold as a blast that can freeze anything on impact. It's so powerful, it incapacitated The Flash and slowed his speed. The goggles that came along with it are a way to protect the user from the glare of said blast" Flash/Arrow wiki

I would say cold gun in both rounds if we are going by science.

cold takes this

R1: Cold Gun

R2: Cold Gun

Shield can block kinetic energy, but it can't handle freezing on a molecular level.

Does anyone know if Cap's shield has any feats against freezing other than it being frozen for decades along with Steve?

That's actually quite a ways off. Absolute Zero is also something that in theory could never happen, as it's a point at which infinite heat is required to raise it's temperature by 1 degree. The freezing process also makes the subject more brittle as it reduces the amount of flex an object has simply by the nature of freezing something.

probably CC gun

Comics - Shield

Live Action - I'm not sure. I tried looking, but i cant find what Cisco did to the Riot shields to negate the guns effect. Does anyone remember?

@jimmy_rustler: the sheild was broken off from ultrun, but yea gun wont work

Comics- Cold Gun is basically the shield's perfect weakness. Cap's shield works by vibrating the blows and rendering them useless. Absolute Zero basically totally nulls that.

Live Action- Shield. Cold Gun is dumbed down in the show.

According to Science Daily the prereqs for absolute zero aren't that extreme. Scientists have actually gotten pretty close.

Absolute zero is the lowest possible temperature where nothing could be colder and no heat energy remains in a substance.

Absolute zero is the point at which the fundamental particles of nature have minimal vibrational motion, retaining only quantum mechanical, zero-point energy-induced particle motion.

By international agreement, absolute zero is defined as precisely; 0 K on the Kelvin scale, which is a thermodynamic (absolute) temperature scale; and –273.15 degrees Celsius on the Celsius scale.

Absolute zero is also precisely equivalent to; 0 degrees R on the Rankine scale (also a thermodynamic temperature scale); and –459.67 degrees F on the Fahrenheit scale.

When a metal IS in an extreme cold state it can become brittle. Slowly dropping a metals temperature down to liquid nitrogen temps, leaving them there and slowly raising them increases their durability. It's a process used a lot in high performance automotive parts. It's called "Cryogenic Processing" or "Cryogenic Treatment" and the science is fascinating. You should look it up if you get some free time.

@nickzambuto: ikr colds one liners

U rustled me...y u no tag :(@jimmy_rustler:

@haoalchemist: My bad, this isn't a conventional battle thread but more of an inquiry to gain perspective. So I didn't take the conventional approach in regards to tagging bc I really only intended for this to be a discussion for character experts. But, again, my bad and I'll keep you mind the next time I decide to make a similar thread.

@jmarshmallow: How is the Cold Gun dumbed down in the show.

@jimmy_rustler: np...ilu

@nickzambuto: It hasn't displayed anywhere near impressive enough showings as in Comics.

For example, I never recall a situation in the comics where someone was able to out-science the CG and make it useless against something as simple as Riot shields.

cold field renders it useless

The shield can break the gun, that's for sure.

@jmarshmallow: The very same person who created the gun did that.

Yet another discredit to the Cold Gun's capability. Since when did Vibe have the know-how to build such a sophisticated piece of equipment?

@jmarshmallow: Wha- Vibe is a completely different character in Flash.

interesting

@pokeysteve: Interesting, i'll check it out.

People are assuming, because of the science of absolute zero temperatures, that it would counter vibranium...except that Cap's shield has been shown, repeatedly, to take the laws of physics and laugh in their faces. We have no idea what Vibranium would do in such a situation because it does no exist. Perhaps because the molecules vibrate the way that they do, the Cold gun would be incapable of dropping the shield's temperature to absolute zero. Or, maybe as soon as the gun turned off, the molecules would start vibrating again.

I think the shield wins just because...the cold gun has been shown to follow physics pretty decently as far as comics go, while vibranium is a fantasy thing with it's own set of rules and routinely doesn't even follow them.

The live action versions definitely go to the shield. Snart's gun is far less cataclysmic than it should be in the show. Barry should NOT be able to take hits from it and survive if it is actually absolute zero.

R1 CG

R2 Shield

oooooh nice but CG probably wins both rounds since its absolute zero i dont think the shield can take it

Cap's shield.

vibranium/adamantium alloy > absolute zero