Captain America (Nova Suit) vs Nova
@jojjimbo:
Stop lying, Captain America has never been portrayed as a character that can almost instantly learns and become a master of every and anything as you claim...that's complete and utter nonsense.
Eh...
You implied it when you said "With the Worldmind, that would be irrelevant" to my original post, So...how is that not claiming that the Worldmind some how gives Rogers all of Richards combat experience with the Nova Force? something that one can only learn through trial and error. which was what i had said in my original post, and still believe that is the case, Richard wins do to his experience.
No. I did not imply anything. He had absolutely no problem using the Nova force when he had it either. In fact, Rogers used it with ease. The Worldmind does most of the thinking for Rider. Rider basically points and shoots.
Ok, this statement shows your ignorance of the character, you seem to think that Richard just stand there and the suit does almost all the work...the suit assist him. but Richard in the end is the one that makes the decisions, so...again, Richard has the advantage because he is the more experience user of the Nova Force in this fight(by a mile) and his experience is something that is learn over time.
Actually I think my statement shows that I know more about Nova than you. Rider makes the decisions but Worldmind does all the calculations, makes strategic suggestions, provides the information, etc. The experience is irrelevant due to these things. If both had the Worldmind, there is nothing that Rider could do that Rogers could not also do. And considering Rogers' abilities...
Alright, i was under the impression that we where talking about the topic, which is Captain America with a Nova suit vs Nova(Richard Rider) which is the subject matter. but if i have some how miss understood you in some way, then please clarify yourself. but, i don't believe i have.
Judging by the manner in which you post, I am surprised you understand anything at all.
More experience but not necessarily better understanding? what is it your trying to imply with this statement, are you saying that Cap would some how have better or equal understanding of the Nova Force then Richard? alright...ill bite on this one, lets say for the sake of argument. that Richards understanding of the NF is miniscule...it would still be far greater then Caps understanding of it, do to the fact that Richard has had a lot more time in dealing with his powers. so either way you try to argue it...Richard still wins do to his better experience/understanding of his powers how ever miniscule you may believe they are.
Wrong. Time does not equal knowledge or understanding. I can sit you in a advanced calculus class and let you play with the numbers all you want for 6 months but a mathematical savant with no previous experience in calculus is still going to come in and crush you in moments.
Sure, I'm the ignorant one, and i'm the one making ridiculous statements. like the Wolrdmind giving Cap all of Richard years of experience and understanding of the Nova Force, or claiming that Captain can almost instantly learn anything, and i don't know what i said about Batman that is ignorant...people on this site and on other sites always claim that Batman can instantly learn any device or technology in sec..that's what they say. and my comment on you confusing the two was a sarcastic one, because as far as I'm concerned your the only one I've come across here that makes such a bogus claim, Cap isn't a Batman/Brainiac/Black Panther/Dr.Doom type character...
I never said the Worldmind is going to give Rogers anything. But Rogers does master things almost instantly. Also, learning something =/= mastering something. Batman is a genius but even he has human limits. If not, he would have learned to be a kung fu ninja master in seconds, not over the course of a decade.
And Jesus, it is "due" not "do".
@Erik:
Eh...
Yes because we're supposed to take everything said in comics at face value, also notice Beast said "Weapon" not "anything" as you originally claimed. which is a totally different argument. the Nova Force is a power not a weapon. it far more complex then a M16, AK47, M1901, 357 Magnum, to learn and even master.
No. I did not imply anything. He had absolutely no problem using the Nova force when he had it either. In fact, Rogers used it with ease. The Worldmind does most of the thinking for Rider. Rider basically points and shoots.
Yes it was implied, otherwise what is being refuted?, I originally posted that do to his better understanding/experience of the Nova Force Rider win...you on the other had claimed that do to the Woldmind it is irrelevant, which one would conclude that some how Rogers receives understanding/experience of the VF equal to Richard through the Worldmind making his(Richard) experience/understanding null and void. and just because Rogers may have been able to use the suit with what you refer to as ease dose not make him a master at it, nor does it prove he could use the NF with the same efficiency Rider can. according to your view it is a miracle that Rider lived long enough to get that upgrade...
Actually I think my statement shows that I know more about Nova than you. Rider makes the decisions but Worldmind does all the calculations, makes strategic suggestions, provides the information, etc. The experience is irrelevant due to these things. If both had the Worldmind, there is nothing that Rider could do that Rogers could not also do. And considering Rogers' abilities...
Actually this does shows how little you know about this character, prior to his suit upgrade which added the Worldmind, Rider had no problem doing all these thing by himself...and seeing as Rider was a master of his powers before the the upgrade, one would only assume that the upgrade augmented his already formidable powers and enhances his abilities further, and not subtract from them...so give Rider a little more credit he is not some mindless puppet that is controlled by the Worldmind...Rider was doing those things you said above way before the Worldmind was added to his suit, Experience wins out.
Judging by the manner in which you post, I am surprised you understand anything at all.
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Wrong. Time does not equal knowledge or understanding. I can sit you in a advanced calculus class and let you play with the numbers all you want for 6 months but a mathematical savant with no previous experience in calculus is still going to come in and crush you in moments.
Why are you using a rare occurrence to make your point, in that case Rain Man would be more knowledgeable than me at counting cards (I'm using a Rain Man movie reference for those of you who don't get it) and in that one exception you would be right...but, seeing as Steve isn't a savant...i fail to see how this proves me wrong? or how knowledge and understanding does not come with time.
I never said the Worldmind is going to give Rogers anything. But Rogers does master things almost instantly. Also, learning something =/= mastering something. Batman is a genius but even he has human limits. If not, he would have learned to be a kung fu ninja master in seconds, not over the course of a decade.
Ok maybe i miss understood your post and your not claiming that the Worldmind gives Steve all of Richards experience with the NF, but you are definitely implying that just because Steve can use the NF and the Worldmind is assisting him that some how that make his equal or better than someone who has been using this same power for a lot longer and even before the Worldmind was added...also learning to use something does not make you a master at it, My sister learned to play the piano a few years ago, and shes good, but she is no Beethoven, Liberace or Jerry Lee Lewis, now Steve is a Master of most Weapons and Fighting styles that's true, but it took Steve time just like Batman. he didn't learn it instantly. you need to take what is said in comic sometimes with a gain of salt, especially when it is not back up or proven consistently in the comics.
And Jesus, it is "due" not "do".
You could make fun of my miss spelling all you want...it wont help you win this argument, that's just childish.
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