Team Two should already be a tough opponent and i believe they could even defeat them. But with the added prep time, I can surely say that Team Two can win.
Rogers & Panther have worked well together before against Baron Zemo & co. Captain America & Batman are basically equal in skill, although Cap has the advantage of Erskine's serum which eliminates the fatigue factor in his body, so he wouldn't tire for quite a while. While it might not have been canon, in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap and Batman fought to a stalemate and Batman basically said that Cap could beat him, but it would take some time. It's hard to call Deathstroke vs. Black Panther. I'll go with team 1.
I actually agree with this. I have made the case that Panther would defeat Deathstroke outright, but (and please do not think I am simply a Slade fanboy for this) I have actually reconsidered that. I believe that between the two, it could go either way. Although, I am surprised to see you are not making a case for Team 1, Static. I had thought you believed that Panther would defeat Deathstroke, and Cap would defeat BatMan.
@Silver2467: I'd normally make a case if the battle was a random encounter. But, since both teams have prep, anything can happen. However, because Team 2 has two masters of prep, I think that they are more likely to win.
" @FinalStar86: If it's because of his superhuman brain capacity, I can buy that. "
Same. He is a brilliant inventor, is very resourceful, and has a great tactical mind, but I have seen BatMan and Panther invent more impressive equipment than Slade has, both have at least as many resources as he does, and both should be on par with him strategically.
@Static Shock: Really? You think Slade is strategically more effective than they are? Is that only because of his accelerated thought processes, or do you simply believe he is more tactically minded? As far as Panther and BatMan being more efficient scientifically, I agree. Both have invented ridiculous machinery. It almost makes you wonder why both do not often don an armored suit, like Iron Man or Steel. Based on what they have developed, they could if they wanted to. I assume they are simply meant to remain street levelers.
@Silver2467: Yes. His superhuman brain capacity and accelerated thought processes grant him the ability to be more tactically minded than they are. T'Challa has actually donned armor several times in his last volume. He's worn his Vibranium light armor twice, and his Thrice Blessed Armor thrice. I don't think I've seen Batman wear armor before.
@Static Shock: I see. His brain processes have proven to give him a serious edge, even against opponents who have superhuman speed, even in thought and reactions also. Panther's Vibranium armor is more for protection than anything else though. It is not exactly comparable to the Iron Man armors except in defensive capabilities. Of course, he does have anti-metal claws and energy daggers, but it is not exactly the same as the armor used by Iron Man, War Machine, or Steel. His Thrice Blessed Armor has been used but not very often. As far as BatMan, I know he has used powered armored suits in Elseworlds and parallel universes, but I am not sure if he has in the mainstream or not either. My point is that given what both are capable of inventing, it is surprising that they do not use an armor similar to Iron Man. BatMan has invented teleporters, android bodies, his supercomputer, Batmobiles, and several different types of weaponry. Panther has invented some of his country's various military defense systems, as only one of many examples.
Team 2. Deathstroke has the strength of 10 men and it took Batman, Nightwing and Robin to take him down in Infinite Crisis. He'd be able to handle Cap no problem, especially if he uses lethal force. As for Batman vs Black Panther, Black Panther has the advantage in terms of strength but Batman has the martial arts skill and tactics edge to take down BP.
" @Silver2467: Yes. His superhuman brain capacity and accelerated thought processes grant him the ability to be more tactically minded than they are. T'Challa has actually donned armor several times in his last volume. He's worn his Vibranium light armor twice, and his Thrice Blessed Armor thrice. I don't think I've seen Batman wear armor before. "
Team 2 wins both. With prep, your not beating Batman and DS, two of the best in the business at that. With the random encounter, Deathstroke can take out Black Panther(though it be tough) and I think Batman can at the very least hold off against Cap long enough for DS to come and help. I don't put it past team 1 to win in the second round, but I think it goes to team 2 in both.
" Team 2. Deathstroke has the strength of 10 men and it took Batman, Nightwing and Robin to take him down in Infinite Crisis. He'd be able to handle Cap no problem, especially if he uses lethal force.
Captain America has the strength of ten men too, and it's been confirmed several times. No reason to think that Cap can't physically contend with Deathstroke, on his own.
@Lvenger
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As for Batman vs Black Panther, Black Panther has the advantage in terms of strength but Batman has the martial arts skill and tactics edge to take down BP. "
Black Panther possesses martial arts skills on Batman's level. There's not enough evidence to prove that Batman is a better fighter than T'Challa, and vice versa. The same is said for tactics, not to mention that the Wakandans are a warrior race and excel in military and tactical strategy.
Captain America vs. Slade = Physically about equal (edge to Cap in strength, edge to Slade in reflexes), Captain America is notably more skilled while Slade has a better healing factor (and the edge isn't as sever as some people might think, Captain America has survived and healed from a gunshot wound to the head in short order after all). In terms of weaponry Slade has a greater variety but I'd say Cap's shield is overall more effective... at least in the hands of Captain America. Edge to Captain America in a straight up confrontation, clean sweep to Slade in a prep match.
Black Panther vs. Batman. Physical advantage to Black Panther (even before his Doomwar amp), he is on par with Captain America physically thanks to the Heart Shaped Herb, which places him above Batman physically. Batman has a slight skill advantage, but in my mind not sizable enough to completely compensate for Panther's enhanced attributes. In terms of weaponry and equipment Panther's standard gear seems to vary far more than Batman's. Some times he is wearing his thrice blessed armor for no rhyme or reason, sometimes he has his vibranium armor but sometimes he is just wearing his standard ceremonial Panther costume... which makes it difficult to judge. I'd say default equipment Panther's is potentially above Batman's but also potentially below... it just depends on what he is packing because unlike Batman, Panther's default equipment changes. Prep is close but Batman gets the edge, especially now that most of Wakanada's vibranium is depleted. Slight edge to Panther in a straight up confrontation (maybe 6-6.5/10), edge to Batman in a prep match.
I'll go with team 2 in the first scenario, as for the second scenario it can go either way depending on what equipment everyone has brought, too close to call imo.
@Static Shock: Captain America has the strength of a human at their physical peak not the strength of 10 men. Therefire he can only lift 800 pounds. Deathstroke can lift up to 1,200 pounds which is in the low superhuman strength category but this is more than any normal human even one at physical peak could lift. As for fighting skills, I'm not sure which one is better but Deathstroke has been trained by top assasins in martial arts and I'm not sure Cap has been trained by assasins. It'd be a close fight but Deathstroke would win.
As for Batman vs BP, I know BP is very skilled in martial arts and is an excellent strategist. I'm just saying I think Batman is slightly better than Black Panther in those respects and would just about beat him.
" @Static Shock: Captain America has the strength of a human at their physical peak not the strength of 10 men.
When I said that it was stated on panel, I wasn't joking. He's just as strong as Deathstroke is, and has actually shown better feats of strength than Deathstoke (who barely has any). Captain America's countless strength feats prove that lifting 800 lbs. isn't his limit. There was even a scan of Cap stating that he had the strength of a platoon of men and it was also stated that his strength was preternatural. Like I said, it's been stated several times.
Read the second panel. @Lvenger said:
" Deathstroke can lift up to 1,200 pounds which is in the low superhuman strength category but this is more than any normal human even one at physical peak could lift
I look at that as enhanced human strength. It was never officially stated that Deathstroke has superhuman strength. Only that he has the strength of ten men, like Cap (and it was recently stated in Action Comics 892), and another official source stated that his physical abilities were heightened to his physical acumen (which is the human peak). The only thing superhuman about him is reflexes, coordination, healing factor and superhuman brain capacity.
@Lvenger said:
"As for fighting skills, I'm not sure which one is better but Deathstroke has been trained by top assasins in martial arts and I'm not sure Cap has been trained by assasins. It'd be a close fight but Deathstroke would win.
It's not about who trains you. It's about how you train. Hell, Richard Dragon trained Huntress, but she's not even considered a top fighter. Just because Deathstroke was trained by assassins doesn't mean that he's a better fighter than Captain America, who literally has what it takes to win.
@Lvenger said:
" As for Batman vs BP, I know BP is very skilled in martial arts and is an excellent strategist. I'm just saying I think Batman is slightly better than Black Panther in those respects and would just about beat him. "
OK, but how would he just about beat him? You make it sound easy. How is he slightly better than Black Panther in martial arts? How is he slightly better than Black Panther in tactical strategy? If you think this, I'm assuming you can support it with something, right?
" @Static Shock: Captain America has the strength of a human at their physical peak not the strength of 10 men. Therefire he can only lift 800 pounds. Deathstroke can lift up to 1,200 pounds which is in the low superhuman strength category but this is more than any normal human even one at physical peak could lift. As for fighting skills, I'm not sure which one is better but Deathstroke has been trained by top assasins in martial arts and I'm not sure Cap has been trained by assasins. It'd be a close fight but Deathstroke would win. As for Batman vs BP, I know BP is very skilled in martial arts and is an excellent strategist. I'm just saying I think Batman is slightly better than Black Panther in those respects and would just about beat him. "
Captain America has been said to have the strength of ten men several times throughout his career (and I believe twenty men once, and another time the strength of "half a platoon" which is 8-25 men) and has actually been displayed bench pressing 1100lbs before... soooooooooooooooooo yeah.
Captain America is much more skilled fighter than Deathstroke. Without his enhanced attributes Deathstroke - while extraordinarily skilled, especially by real world standards - isn't even in the same ball park as Marvel or DC's martial arts "big dogs." Nightwing has shown himself superior to Deathstroke several times, and seeing as Slade is better physically in every conceivable way, that really on leads Dick being more skilled as the only explanation. Deathstroke's is strong enough that even hitting Dick once will all but end the fight (or at least insures Slade's victory), but if he doesn't get hit blinded sided initially or if Slade gives him time to recover instead of pressing his advantage, Nightwing has sown the ability to walk all over Slade, land blow after blow unanswered and avoid is every attack on two separate occasions (one of which Dick was weakened from radiation poisoning). Before it gets brought up, I am well aware that Deathstroke has soundly beaten Nightwing many times, but that has little to nothing to do with his skill as a fighter.
Also, David Cain has beaten Deathstroke, Bronze Tiger had a sizable advantage when they fought, and he has said himself he can't beat Batgirl without playing mind games (which I don't necessarily agree with... but it was said). He is a good fighter but he isn't Captain America good.
" @Static Shock: Captain America has the strength of a human at their physical peak not the strength of 10 men.
When I said that it was stated on panel, I wasn't joking. He's just as strong as Deathstroke is, and has actually shown better feats of strength than Deathstoke (who barely has any). Captain America's countless strength feats prove that lifting 800 lbs. isn't his limit. There was even a scan of Cap stating that he had the strength of a platoon of men and it was also stated that his strength was preternatural. Like I said, it's been stated several times.
Read the second panel. @Lvenger said:
" Deathstroke can lift up to 1,200 pounds which is in the low superhuman strength category but this is more than any normal human even one at physical peak could lift
I look at that as enhanced human strength. It was never officially stated that Deathstroke has superhuman strength. Only that he has the strength of ten men, like Cap (and it was recently stated in Action Comics 892), and another official source stated that his physical abilities were heightened to his physical acumen (which is the human peak). The only thing superhuman about him is reflexes, coordination, healing factor and superhuman brain capacity.
@Lvenger said:
"As for fighting skills, I'm not sure which one is better but Deathstroke has been trained by top assasins in martial arts and I'm not sure Cap has been trained by assasins. It'd be a close fight but Deathstroke would win.
It's not about who trains you. It's about how you train. Hell, Richard Dragon trained Huntress, but she's not even considered a top fighter. Just because Deathstroke was trained by assassins doesn't mean that he's a better fighter than Captain America, who literally has what it takes to win.
@Lvenger said:
" As for Batman vs BP, I know BP is very skilled in martial arts and is an excellent strategist. I'm just saying I think Batman is slightly better than Black Panther in those respects and would just about beat him. "
OK, but how would he just about beat him? You make it sound easy. How is he slightly better than Black Panther in martial arts? How is he slightly better than Black Panther in tactical strategy? If you think this, I'm assuming you can support it with something, right? "
Well said. I mean, the operative word in Super Soldier, is super after all.
Panther has stalemated Daredevil twice, despite the fact that T'Challa is much closer to Captain America physically than he is Daredevil. To me this means that Daredevil's fighting skill is enough to compensate for Panther's enhanced attributes and level the playing field. I'm of the oppinion that Daredevil = Batman in skill, so if DD has a skill edge over Panther, I'd transfer the same edge to Batman.
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