can you beat my marvel team with dc heroes or villains?

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#1  Edited By ndm5

ok, the rules are... 
no power-ups (odin force or sun dipped etc.) 
morals ON 
no BFR  
no prep, its a straight up battle 
and no uber powerful people such as darkseid etc. 
only 6 dc people are alowed
 
 
TEAM MARVEL 
Classic  Thor 
Beta Ray Bill 
Classic Juggernaut 
Classic Doc Strange 
Silver Surfer 
Gladiator Kallark (no confidence issues, he isnt cocky but he isnt in a cry baby mood) 
 
GO
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#2  Edited By industrious

Simple.
 
Jackson King
Winter
The Engineer
Jenny Sparks
Mister Majestic
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#3  Edited By Pr_Beyonder
@ndm5 said:
"ok, the rules are... no power-ups (odin force or sun dipped etc.) morals ON no BFR  no prep, its a straight up battle and no uber powerful people such as darkseid etc. only 6 dc people are alowed  TEAM MARVEL Classic  Thor Beta Ray Bill Classic Juggernaut Classic Doc Strange Silver Surfer Gladiator Kallark (no confidence issues, he isnt cocky but he isnt in a cry baby mood)  GO "

Um,I believe Classic Doc Strange is alot more powerful than Darksied...
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#4  Edited By Valtot
@ndm5:
wow i cant even think of a good team without outside power ups but if you allow this ive got a team that doesnt got too powerful such as superboy prime, darksied, ion hog etc... 
 
mister majestic 
chris kent (alternate reality superman with far more control of his powers) 
black adam (mainly due to the extreme magic resistance that would allow him to fight docter strange) 
captain marvel (for the same  reasons as black adam) 
Martian Manhunter (for mind control telepathic assaults on juggernaught etc.)  
cyborg superman with corps rings
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@Valtot said:
" @ndm5: wow i cant even think of a good team without outside power ups but if you allow this ive got a team that doesnt got too powerful such as superboy prime, darksied, ion hog etc...  mister majestic chris kent (alternate reality superman with far more control of his powers) black adam (mainly due to the extreme magic resistance that would allow him to fight docter strange) captain marvel (for the same  reasons as black adam) Martian Manhunter (for mind control telepathic assaults on juggernaught etc.)  cyborg superman with corps rings "

doesn't juggernaut's helm make him resistant to mind control or telepathic?
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#6  Edited By Valtot
@SilverSavage:
yes but it can be taken off since everyone on my team is a top tier powerhouse with chis kent at the top than, mister majestic/cyborb superman
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#8  Edited By mrtrickster

pre-crisis validus 
pre-crisis mongul  
sa superman 
sa fate 
sa hal jordan 
pre-crisis alan scott 

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#9  Edited By superdemon
@mrtrickster said:
" pre-crisis validus pre-crisis mongul  sa superman sa fate sa hal jordan pre-crisis alan scott  "
lol. Cheap.
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#10  Edited By TheCerealKillz

Zoom
Larfreeze
SA Strangefate
PC Darkseid

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#11  Edited By Valtot

guys he said no uber powerful people like darksied... than you bring in silver age people
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#12  Edited By superdemon

Cyborg Superman 
Orion 
Black Adam 
Captain Atom 
Majestic 
HP Doomsday

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#13  Edited By Susanoo

Black Adam 
Martian Manhunter 
Flash (Wally) 
Zoom 
Lobo  
Dr. Fate
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#14  Edited By ndm5
@Pr_Beyonder said:
"@ndm5 said:
"ok, the rules are... no power-ups (odin force or sun dipped etc.) morals ON no BFR  no prep, its a straight up battle and no uber powerful people such as darkseid etc. only 6 dc people are alowed  TEAM MARVEL Classic  Thor Beta Ray Bill Classic Juggernaut Classic Doc Strange Silver Surfer Gladiator Kallark (no confidence issues, he isnt cocky but he isnt in a cry baby mood)  GO "
Um,I believe Classic Doc Strange is alot more powerful than Darksied... "
 ok, fair enough, i guess i was not thinking straight when i made the list. i just thought that doctor strange would be a good person on the team because there is not really anyone with magical powers (dont say juggernaut, im aware he is powered by magic) but to make it fair we could switch out doctor strange for someone less powerful like northstar or black bolt? any suggestions?

@Susanoo:  
this seems reasonable
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#15  Edited By Chaos Prime

Saint Walker
Kyle Rayner
Captain Marvel
Alan Scott
Lobo
& Sinestro

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#16  Edited By czarny_samael666

Hard one, because Surfer will block TP.  To defeat Juggernaut and Strange, we will need powerfull sorcerors. To defeat Surfer one or two powerhouses.
 
Despero
Cyborg Superman with rings
Martian Manhunter
Dr. Fate
Zatanna
Orion.
But I doubt that this team will win (becasue of Current Surfer).
If I could use Flash or Zoom, I would, but I belive that they are too powerfull for that battle.
 
@Valtot said:

" @SilverSavage: yes but it can be taken off since everyone on my team is a top tier powerhouse with chis kent at the top than, mister majestic/cyborb superman "

You still have to deal with his forcefield. You need wizards (or Mjolnir ;) ).
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#17  Edited By Theodore
@Susanoo said:
" Black Adam Martian Manhunter Flash (Wally) Zoom Lobo  Dr. Fate "
@Chaos Prime said:
" Saint Walker Kyle Rayner Captain Marvel Alan Scott Lobo & Sinestro "
awesome!
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#18  Edited By czarny_samael666
@Chaos Prime said:

" Saint Walker Kyle Rayner Captain Marvel Alan Scott Lobo & Sinestro "

Do any of them has nanosecond speed reaction? Or even microsecond?
 
In last few days I was asking many people in few threads about scans that proves that Hal,Kyle or Cap has it and no one showed it. 
I belive it is just a myth, like with Heralds of Galactus.
 
Without it, Your team would lose easily.
 
P.S.Can Alan win with Surfer? Because if no, Surfer would destroy most of this team by himself.
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#19  Edited By Chaos Prime

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@czarny_samael
Im sure Captain Marvel (Billy) is up there with some of the fastest of the speedsters as shown when he caught up with The Flash..
This is the way i see my team going into this very tough encounter..  
 Imo Saint Walker & Kyle combined can take down the Surfer...
Lobo v Juggs ...will last an age but until help arrives for Lobo hes doomed imo..
Alan Scott v Doctor Strange ..Again this could go either way because imo PC Alan Scott was very powerful..
Sinestro & Capatain Marvel v BRB, Thor & Glads...Again imo could go either way, but the numbers might just give the edge to Marvel..
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#20  Edited By Ocelot100
@superdemon: @superdemon said:
" Cyborg Superman Orion Black Adam Captain Atom Majestic HP Doomsday "
this
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#21  Edited By entropy_aegis
@Pr_Beyonder said:
"@ndm5 said:
"ok, the rules are... no power-ups (odin force or sun dipped etc.) morals ON no BFR  no prep, its a straight up battle and no uber powerful people such as darkseid etc. only 6 dc people are alowed  TEAM MARVEL Classic  Thor Beta Ray Bill Classic Juggernaut Classic Doc Strange Silver Surfer Gladiator Kallark (no confidence issues, he isnt cocky but he isnt in a cry baby mood)  GO "
Um,I believe Classic Doc Strange is alot more powerful than Darksied... "

Not really. 
Pc darkseid>PC mantis>classic dr fate,hal jordan,wonder woman put together.
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#22  Edited By Noelieboats

Larfreeze 
Flash
Midnighter (Tactical captain Captain)
Doomsday (Juggernaut)
The Doctor (fight magic with magic)
Black Adam (Beta Ray Bill)
Kyle Rayner hosting Parallax (Gladiator)
 
 
Big players like Gladiator just need to be dealth with straigh away I thought about using a telepath but they were too weak physically for a battle like this.. Also I took into account morals so I selscted guys who fight to win with the exception of flash who I think would be a great fighter if used correctly, delivering punches at the speed of light would make even Thor with a sore jaw he is also a very difficult target. Larfreeze commands the avarice ring and command and entire corps made of those he assimilated into his corps this could give the silver surfer a very difficult fight, though his cowardness could be a weakness he has harnessed his power for a billion years and is a viable threat, fact that he can take to the stars as well as Silver surfer adds to how suitable he would be.. Doc strange is a hard customer more powerful potentially that I thought was allowed but anything he can do the doc can do and he has very little more restraint as proved in the authority many times. Black Adam, I dunno tough call but again not big on the morals so he'll exploit any weakness, would be a great fight, as for gladiator well I just hit him with the living embodiment of fear he's basically gonna beat anyone unless his confidence drops and parallax wouldn't be too easily beaten.
 
Would be a good fight all in all too many variables to really call it. Safe to say Doomsday and Juggernaut would thump the crap out of each other I'm still not sure if Juggernaut can't be hurt or is it all hyperbole but if he can be hurt at all he has a brutal customer in Doomsday.

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#23  Edited By PirateKing69

Black Adam
Cyborg Superman with rings
Captain Marvel 
Martian Manhunter
Majestic
Zoom

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#24  Edited By Valtot
@Chaos Prime said:
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@czarny_samael Im sure Captain Marvel (Billy) is up there with some of the fastest of the speedsters as shown when he caught up with The Flash.. This is the way i see my team going into this very tough encounter..    Imo Saint Walker & Kyle combined can take down the Surfer... Lobo v Juggs ...will last an age but until help arrives for Lobo hes doomed imo.. Alan Scott v Doctor Strange ..Again this could go either way because imo PC Alan Scott was very powerful.. Sinestro & Capatain Marvel v BRB, Thor & Glads...Again imo could go either way, but the numbers might just give the edge to Marvel.. "

thats actually non canon
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#25  Edited By RamsesII
@ndm5 said:

"ok, the rules are... no power-ups (odin force or sun dipped etc.) morals ON no BFR  no prep, its a straight up battle and no uber powerful people such as darkseid etc. only 6 dc people are alowed  TEAM MARVEL Classic  Thor Beta Ray Bill Classic Juggernaut Classic Doc Strange Silver Surfer Gladiator Kallark (no confidence issues, he isnt cocky but he isnt in a cry baby mood)  GO "


okay here I go 
Leader: Spectre vs Doctor Strange
2nd in Command: Doctor Manhattan vs Silver Surfer 
Tactician: Wonder Woman vs Juggernaut
Heavy Artillery: Superman vs Gladiator 
Close Combat: Captain marvel vs Beta Ray Bill
Telepath: Martian Manhunter vs Thor
I did these so we could have equal numbers. 
I could of also throw in these people... 
Supergirl 
Big Barda 
Hal Jordan 
Kyle Rayner 
Guy Gardner 
John Stewart 
Zatanna 
Doctor Fate 
Aquaman 
Flash 
Powergirl 
Captain Atom 
Alan Scot 
Red Tornado 
Swamp-Thing 
and Aztek 
I try to only use superheroes (so its a challenge for me!) but i could of used villians like 
Doomsday 
Apocylpse 
Darksied 
Braniac 
Lex Luthor 
Sinestro 
Bizarro 
Gorrila Grodd 
Black Manta 
 
BUT THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS THAT COULD DESTROY YOUR TEAM IS... 
    
BATMITE!!!!!!!!
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#26  Edited By czarny_samael666
@Valtot said:
" @Chaos Prime said:
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@czarny_samael Im sure Captain Marvel (Billy) is up there with some of the fastest of the speedsters as shown when he caught up with The Flash.. This is the way i see my team going into this very tough encounter..    Imo Saint Walker & Kyle combined can take down the Surfer... Lobo v Juggs ...will last an age but until help arrives for Lobo hes doomed imo.. Alan Scott v Doctor Strange ..Again this could go either way because imo PC Alan Scott was very powerful.. Sinestro & Capatain Marvel v BRB, Thor & Glads...Again imo could go either way, but the numbers might just give the edge to Marvel.. "
thats actually non canon "
1. I thought so.
2.I see the scan, but I don't see letters, so I don't what was put there.
3.I wasn't talking about flying speed, but fighting speed.
 
@Noelieboats :
 
Flash and Larfleeze are too pwoerfull IMO. He said that no uber-people like Darkseid and Flash with speed stealing is uber. 
@PirateKing69 said:
" Black Adam Cyborg Superman with rings Captain Marvel  Martian Manhunter Majestic Zoom "

See above.
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#27  Edited By Chaos Prime

@Valtot..Why is that scan/comic non canon?

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#28  Edited By mrtrickster
@Valtot said:
"@Chaos Prime said:
"
 
 

@czarny_samael Im sure Captain Marvel (Billy) is up there with some of the fastest of the speedsters as shown when he caught up with The Flash.. This is the way i see my team going into this very tough encounter..    Imo Saint Walker & Kyle combined can take down the Surfer... Lobo v Juggs ...will last an age but until help arrives for Lobo hes doomed imo.. Alan Scott v Doctor Strange ..Again this could go either way because imo PC Alan Scott was very powerful.. Sinestro & Capatain Marvel v BRB, Thor & Glads...Again imo could go either way, but the numbers might just give the edge to Marvel.. "
thats actually non canon "

it's canon..............................
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#29  Edited By Valtot
@Chaos Prime:
its from a non canon comic series meaning its non canon? lol, if you see superman moving at 10X the speed of though in  red son would you use it as canon, no.
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#30  Edited By Chaos Prime
@Valtot said:
" @Chaos Prime: its from a non canon comic series meaning its non canon? lol, if you see superman moving at 10X the speed of though in  red son would you use it as canon, no. "
Ok Lol |:-)
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#31  Edited By mrtrickster
@Valtot said:

"@Chaos Prime: its from a non canon comic series meaning its non canon? lol, if you see superman moving at 10X the speed of though in  red son would you use it as canon, no. "


kingdom come universe is canon  
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-22    
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#32  Edited By Valtot
@mrtrickster:
kingdom come is earth 22 but there were differences in there, the scan showed was from a mini comic series similiar, you still wouldnt use a kingdom come scan for a mainstream person
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#33  Edited By Chaos Prime
@mrtrickster said:
" @Valtot said:

"@Chaos Prime: its from a non canon comic series meaning its non canon? lol, if you see superman moving at 10X the speed of though in  red son would you use it as canon, no. "


kingdom come universe is canon  
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-22     "
Thanks for that mrtrickster :-)
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#34  Edited By ndm5
@RamsesII said:
"@ndm5 said:

"ok, the rules are... no power-ups (odin force or sun dipped etc.) morals ON no BFR  no prep, its a straight up battle and no uber powerful people such as darkseid etc. only 6 dc people are alowed  TEAM MARVEL Classic  Thor Beta Ray Bill Classic Juggernaut Classic Doc Strange Silver Surfer Gladiator Kallark (no confidence issues, he isnt cocky but he isnt in a cry baby mood)  GO "


okay here I go 
Leader: Spectre vs Doctor Strange
2nd in Command: Doctor Manhattan vs Silver Surfer 
Tactician: Wonder Woman vs Juggernaut
Heavy Artillery: Superman vs Gladiator 
Close Combat: Captain marvel vs Beta Ray Bill
Telepath: Martian Manhunter vs Thor
I did these so we could have equal numbers. 
I could of also throw in these people... 
Supergirl 
Big Barda 
Hal Jordan 
Kyle Rayner 
Guy Gardner 
John Stewart 
Zatanna 
Doctor Fate 
Aquaman 
Flash 
Powergirl 
Captain Atom 
Alan Scot 
Red Tornado 
Swamp-Thing 
and Aztek 
I try to only use superheroes (so its a challenge for me!) but i could of used villians like 
Doomsday 
Apocylpse 
Darksied 
Braniac 
Lex Luthor 
Sinestro 
Bizarro 
Gorrila Grodd 
Black Manta 
 
BUT THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS THAT COULD DESTROY YOUR TEAM IS... 
    BATMITE!!!!!!!! "

i like this team, mainly because most of those heroes have been on a team together, so they are comfortable working together. and a few people said that this is a tought team to beat with no uber people, should i take doctor strange out? (ps i like how you said 'here i go" LOL)
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#35  Edited By vuviper

I'm gonna have fun so..
 
Cyborg Superman
Supergirl Angel
Composite Superman (Post Crisis)
Eradicator
Thara ak Var (what happened to her anyway)
Chris Kent

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#36  Edited By entropy_aegis

Cyborg superman 
Black adam 
Zoom 
Martian manhunter 
captain marvel 
orion.
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#37  Edited By jeanroygrant

@czarny_samael666 said:

Hard one, because Surfer will block TP. To defeat Juggernaut and Strange, we will need powerfull sorcerors. To defeat Surfer one or two powerhouses.

Despero
Cyborg Superman with rings
Martian Manhunter
Dr. Fate
Zatanna
Orion.
But I doubt that this team will win (becasue of Current Surfer).
If I could use Flash or Zoom, I would, but I belive that they are too powerfull for that battle.

@Valtot said:
" @SilverSavage: yes but it can be taken off since everyone on my team is a top tier powerhouse with chis kent at the top than, mister majestic/cyborb superman "
You still have to deal with his forcefield. You need wizards (or Mjolnir ;) ).
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#38  Edited By nickthedevil

Professor Zoom, Zolomon, Voided out Sentry, Thor, Aunt May, Ma and Pa Kent, Alfred and Jarvis

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#39  Edited By SirNickTheEpic

dc fan fail to realise while yeah their main roster out matches marvel but when you look into heroes dc are hopelessly out matched, give doom and thanos a years prep and dc die

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Doomsday

Solomon Grundy (I guess I cant go with Chaos Magic since that's uber powerful)

Atrocitus

Superman

Kalibak (jobber aura off I guess, though I really dunno if Kalibak really is a jobber...he only seems to lose to Superman an' Orion)

Flash (Wally West)

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Classic Dr Fate

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Helspont

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Zoom

Professor Zoom

Cyborg Supeman

Takion

WL Sinestro

Captain Atom

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#48  Edited By Enigma1179

you invalidate this entire argument by using cosmic level silver surfer while saying dc cannot use uber powerful characters. i like both marvel and dc but marvel fanboys just need to accept that dc is on a completly different power lvl compared to marvel.

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