#1 Posted by BlueAlchemist (18 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm serious. Everyone here always says that Cap would lose. It's annoying. Can Cap win over anybody? I'm not asking for an answer just for your opinion.

#2 Posted by TheBournePoster (575 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes.

#3 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Skull, Batman, Robin, Baron Blood, Baron Zemo, Winter Soldier and if Civil War ever meant anything Iron-Man.

#4 Posted by FrozenPhoenix (1722 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is not superior to Batman...

#5 Posted by sync1 (2696 posts) - - Show Bio

He can beat Green Arrow rofl

#6 Edited by fiodestromus (964 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes lol Yes he can. He just not going past a certain point in characters he fights on here.Most of the time I see Cap in a battle its with the Avengers and they are put up against either a team buster or a Team with alot of Superhumans.So it just depends who he's against.You should make some battles with him that would stir a good debate. And If you have knowledge on him you should tell people or argue his side more.

#7 Posted by FrozenPhoenix (1722 posts) - - Show Bio

Example: Cap vs Luke Cage would be an interesting fight, but Cap would win.

#8 Posted by batnorris (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap can beat aloooooooooooooooot of people. You would have to be more specific on that.

#9 Posted by robertloucksjr (1634 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is not superior to Batman...

Yeah, he kind of is. 73 second mile? Hours at full exertion before tiring at all? Totally indestructible shield?

#10 Posted by TheBournePoster (575 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by russellmania77 (14400 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by Wolverine08 (37931 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77:

Batman said in another crossover that Cap could beat him.

#13 Edited by Floopay (8552 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America has a lot of advantages that people fail to recognize. Even over someone like Batman.

Captain America is a top tier fighter, and though he hasn't mastered 120 or so fighting styles or whatever ridiculous thing DC concocted, the few fighting styles he knows have allowed him to fight with people on par with Batman's foes, if not above Batman's foes.

Personally, I think the two are about equal. Where Batman is smarter, and more knowledgable on combat styles, Captain America has every physical advantage, and doesn't fall far enough behind in intelligence and combat prowess for Batman's advantage to be the deciding factor.

Overall I think Captain America is a bigger force to be reckoned with than people play him out to be.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#14 Posted by TheBournePoster (575 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: What crossover? If you are referring to JLA Avengers, that is not what happened at all.

#15 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes he can beat many characters

#16 Posted by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1391 posts) - - Show Bio

@bluealchemist: Of course he can beat people don't let those mean trolls get you down bud.

#17 Posted by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1391 posts) - - Show Bio

And even though I am pissed to say it Bane lost to Cap,

BANE ALMOST BROKE THE CAPS BACK BUT ): CAPTAIN AMERICA BEAT HIM.....

#18 Posted by russellmania77 (14400 posts) - - Show Bio
#19 Posted by Wolverine08 (37931 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cap and Bats are equals. Even though Bats knows all the worlds fighting styles (bullsh%t) that won't make a big difference. Cap has stalemated Black Panther(someone who knows all the world's fighting styles like Bats) because in the words of BP can "adapt" and "glide with" any fighting style thrown at him.

#20 Posted by Veshark (9057 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know what debates you're referring to, but from my experience, Cap seems to win a fair bit of matches.

@robertloucksjr: batman wins/won in a fight

JLA/avengers, it's canon btw

JLA/Avengers? That is not what happened as I recall. The two of them exchanged a few blows, and then finally called a temporary truce as they tried to figure out why the JLA and Avengers were being tricked into fighting one another.

Which frankly is what Cap and Bats should be doing, considering they're the tactical ones.

As for the DC/Marvel crossover where Bats won, that's not canon, and more importantly - it had nothing to do with good writing and everything to do with fan-votes.

#21 Edited by World_Breaker_Elmo (186 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Captain America has a lot of advantages that people fail to recognize. Even over someone like Batman.

Captain America is a top tier fighter, and though he hasn't mastered 120 or so fighting styles or whatever ridiculous thing DC concocted, the few fighting styles he knows have allowed him to fight with people on par with Batman's foes, if not above Batman's foes.

Personally, I think the two are about equal. Where Batman is smarter, and more knowledgable on combat styles, Captain America has every physical advantage, and doesn't fall far enough behind in intelligence and combat prowess for Batman's advantage to be the deciding factor.

Overall I think Captain America is a bigger force to be reckoned with than people play him out to be.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The tired line of "mastered every known fighting style" is no different than most hyperbole that gets thrown around. I do not take it very seriously as it is usually presented as a way for the writer to convey to the reader that a certain character is formidable in hand to hand combat. I would rather judge a character's competency by his actual consistent showings.That being the case, at least to me anyway, I see both Cap and Bats on equal footing in terms of hand to hand skill.

As for Batman being smarter than Cap, I do not see that playing any role in a fight. If Cap needs some research done, or some computer work completed then he will have to defer to Bruce. But for anything related to combat (hand to hand, firearms, leadership, battle strategy, etc.) he is as good, if not superior to Batman in many of these categories. Keep in mind that Bruce is still just a normal human who also divides his time between many different pursuits. Captain America on the other hand is a physically enhanced soldier and student of war, and little else.

Captain America is definately an underestimated force to be reckoned with.

#22 Edited by zr0c00l (856 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap can beat many people but not a fully equipped batman. Ill debate bat over cap with anyone anytime

#23 Posted by Wolverine08 (37931 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Captain America has a lot of advantages that people fail to recognize. Even over someone like Batman.

Captain America is a top tier fighter, and though he hasn't mastered 120 or so fighting styles or whatever ridiculous thing DC concocted, the few fighting styles he knows have allowed him to fight with people on par with Batman's foes, if not above Batman's foes.

Personally, I think the two are about equal. Where Batman is smarter, and more knowledgable on combat styles, Captain America has every physical advantage, and doesn't fall far enough behind in intelligence and combat prowess for Batman's advantage to be the deciding factor.

Overall I think Captain America is a bigger force to be reckoned with than people play him out to be.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The tired line of "mastered every known fighting style" is no different than most hyperbole that gets thrown around. I do not take it very seriously as it is usually presented as a way for the writer to convey to the reader that a certain character is formidable in hand to hand combat. I would rather judge a character's competency by his actual consistent showings.That being the case, at least to me anyway, I see both Cap and Bats on equal footing in terms of hand to hand skill.

As for Batman being smarter than Cap, I do not see that playing any role in a fight. If Cap needs some research done, or some computer work completed then he will have to defer to Bruce. But for anything related to combat (hand to hand, firearms, leadership, battle strategy, etc.) he is as good, if not superior to Batman in many of these categories. Keep in mind that Bruce is still just a normal human who also divides his time between many different pursuits. Captain America on the other hand is a physically enhanced soldier and student of war, and little else.

Captain America is definately an underestimated force to be reckoned with.

THIS.

#24 Posted by Immortal777 (6679 posts) - - Show Bio

Who underestimates Cap exactly? I've seen him overestimated just like every other street leveler.

#25 Posted by VeganDiet (945 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: except that one wasn't canon so...yup

In JLA/Avengers Batman admitted Cap could beat him.

It was in DC. vs. Marvel that Batman won and that one was fan voted.

#26 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap also doesn't have that pesky moral qualm about guns, say what you will about Bats' gear but it sorely lacks an effective long range option. Batarangs aren't damaging enough and are much slower than a bullet/laser blast.

#27 Posted by CyberWarrior (1312 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Skull, Batman, Robin, Baron Blood, Baron Zemo, Winter Soldier and if Civil War ever meant anything Iron-Man.

Everyone but Batman and Iron Man.

#28 Edited by TheBournePoster (575 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet: Can people please stop spouting that untrue garbage. Batman said "It's conceivable you could beat me Avenger." I'll leave it up to you to look up the word conceivable.

#29 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a smart and tough fighter.

Will he win all the time? No.

Will he win a majority of the time? No.

Will he win some of the time? Yes.

#30 Posted by gogopowerrangers (34 posts) - - Show Bio

Example: Cap vs Luke Cage would be an interesting fight, but Cap would win.

Seriously? Like really? No, just don't even! Luke Cage would mess him up

#31 Posted by KnightOfZero (1491 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by krauser99 (820 posts) - - Show Bio

He can take Batman out for sure. Deathstroke would be a challenge but even that he can get a split or advantage depending on the stipulations.

#33 Edited by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is not versatile, is "just"a peak human with a shield indestructible. He can beat character like him (as Batman without prep, Black Panther, Devil, etcetera), and metahuman of class 2-3 tons. That's all. Other characters similar at him, as Batman or Black Panther, can have more challenge than Cap, because they have technology.

#34 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (5217 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77: Batman told Cap that he could beat him, but would more often then not take very long. And though it is not Canon in Marvel vs DC, Batman and Cap said that they had fought for hours when we see them in the Sewers, and that they could possibly fight until one of them dropped from exhaustion.

#35 Edited by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

Again with this story? -.- Batman can beat Cap, Cap can beat Batman. There is not a main winner in this battle, is like Superman vs Thor...or something.

#36 Edited by tparks (3871 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the guy who debuted by punching Hitler in the face! He makes a living out of beating the odds. Realistically, he should lose a lot of fights against the "A" listers he fights, but Cap doesn't care about realism. Cap vs Realsim wins 8/10.

#37 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5217 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is very skilled. He should be able to handle most street level characters

#38 Edited by krauser99 (820 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozenphoenix said:

Cap is not superior to Batman...

Maybe not in regards to versatility in weapons, detective skills, or a scientific genius. I'll give you that and Batman has more exotic skills in hand to hand. But now a days Cap does stuff that shows you he is more on a level on Deathstroke or even a Wolverine type of level. Feats like falling from God knows heights like this or....to even ripping out his chest piece to continue the good fight. Feats that even make you wonder if Spiderman himself can live through.

@krauser99 said:

#39 Posted by OceanicSS (35 posts) - - Show Bio

This just turns into a Batman vs Captain. Its been done to death, batman, through consensus wins by slim margins.