#151 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7301 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I'm not agreeing with the possible fact that Flash could beat the X-Men, but i haven't seen any plausible arguments as to how they could beat him, how do you think they could win ?

#152 Posted by Saren (25903 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

@CitizenBane: I'm not agreeing with the possible fact that Flash could beat the X-Men, but i haven't seen any plausible arguments as to how they could beat him, how do you think they could win ?

Someone with extensive time manipulation or Omegas who don't need bodies to survive.

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#153 Posted by termiteone4ever (7709 posts) - - Show Bio

@HellionVulcan said:

@termiteone4ever: Flash can destroy his body but this will happen & juggernaut will be fine to continue battling him as Juggernaut is Immortal something flash is not nor will flash have any counter to juggernauts shield or magic if he uses it right .

I remember this moment . I knew some would post this but as always there is counter for everything . Again what seems to be immortality interms of long term Jug would win if Flash was just standing there but what is time to the Flash. THere is no counter for the going back in time and just destroying Juggy then. Juggy magic or shield either it be the classic or current i dont see him beating flash. Even if he is just destroyed and reform again .

#154 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2016 posts) - - Show Bio

proffesor x
x-man
probably storm um noooo
ice-man, will just keep getting hit unless he can freeze the entire earth or a good chunk of it then no , but king cold has always been posed as threat to flash or atleast a regular rogue
speedball, he cant be hurt the harder you hit him the more kinetic energy he gets, so if flash imp punches him can instantly redirct the hit and flash dies, even the cosmic being krovack could not kill speed ball
any x-men that could go mould like
mister m
hydrolic man, is he a mutant i am not sure
full power cable
vulcun
magneto(arguably the most unrated of the x-men)

#155 Posted by chriconz123 (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@higher_evolutionary said:

proffesor x x-man probably storm um noooo ice-man, will just keep getting hit unless he can freeze the entire earth or a good chunk of it then no , but king cold has always been posed as threat to flash or atleast a regular roguespeedball, he cant be hurt the harder you hit him the more kinetic energy he gets, so if flash imp punches him can instantly redirct the hit and flash dies, even the cosmic being krovack could not kill speed ball any x-men that could go mould like mister m hydrolic man, is he a mutant i am not sure full power cable vulcun magneto(arguably the most unrated of the x-men)

I doubt Prof. X can react to flash, X-man could with his psionic form, Magneto would get killed too.

#156 Posted by HellionVulcan (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

@termiteone4ever said:

@HellionVulcan said:

@termiteone4ever: Flash can destroy his body but this will happen & juggernaut will be fine to continue battling him as Juggernaut is Immortal something flash is not nor will flash have any counter to juggernauts shield or magic if he uses it right .

I remember this moment . I knew some would post this but as always there is counter for everything . Again what seems to be immortality interms of long term Jug would win if Flash was just standing there but what is time to the Flash. THere is no counter for the going back in time and just destroying Juggy then. Juggy magic or shield either it be the classic or current i dont see him beating flash. Even if he is just destroyed and reform again .

But isn't going back in time BFR himself so he loses ? as straight up fight vs classic level or higher juggernaut i can't see flash winning due to the fact flash can't really hurt him & even kuurth would wreck him when he had both gods powering him

@higher_evolutionary said:

proffesor x x-man probably storm um noooo ice-man, will just keep getting hit unless he can freeze the entire earth or a good chunk of it then no , but king cold has always been posed as threat to flash or atleast a regular roguespeedball, he cant be hurt the harder you hit him the more kinetic energy he gets, so if flash imp punches him can instantly redirct the hit and flash dies, even the cosmic being krovack could not kill speed ball any x-men that could go mould like mister m hydrolic man, is he a mutant i am not sure full power cable vulcun magneto(arguably the most unrated of the x-men)

all iceman would have to do is turn into mist freeze flash's blood & explode his brain or just drop the temperature to where all molecules stop & just shatter him as out of all the x-men Iceman & x-man have the best chances due to their ability's to survive flashes attacks well maybe rogue if she had the right peoples powers to stop time & just drain him til death ..

#157 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@Dex_Starr: But He also battled Dr Light as we'll..and won. Besides wasn't Cable something akin to a God at this time? Surfer is faster then then any Flash no?

Surfer isn't as fast as Wally or Barry, and Cable was 2 shotted by Surfer.

#158 Edited by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

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why are people saying that telepathy won't be effective due to him speeding up his thoughts? For one that is not a problem for Marvel telepaths, Jean was probing a billion thinking computer brains and keeping up with them (with her mutant powers), Quentin Quire has millions of brilliant thoughts a second, so I would imagine he can have even more regular thoughts in that same time, but that is not the case. People still don't seem to understand how telepathy operates, will power and resistance only matter when a telepath is trying to read your mind or control it, Marvel telepaths love psi blasts, it's like an energy blast, but telepathic and just like an energy blast you need a shield to stop it, not will power or resistance.

Is that so? Because I'm pretty sure that several Marvel telepathics were unable to read Deadpool's miind because of his regeneration abilities. There's more to being able to resist telepathy then mental aspects, there are physical aspects to take into consideration also.

How is Deadpool resisting mind reading in any way comparable to a psi blast or the way he does it comparable to the way you say Flash does it? Fact state by Jean Grey when she first encountered Bastion All humans have a natural resistance to mind reading, most aren't aware it just kicks in. As i said before people don't understand the aspects of telepathy, if you don't have psi shields you can't fight a telepatic bolt, it targets the mind, it's a burst of energy it has nothing to do with probing and control, a powerful enough blast can kill you instantly. Why would a telepath try to read his mind as a battle tactic? Unless they feel they need some information they won't even try, surface thoughts are on the surface and mixed with enough emotions that they will know his intent even if they can't get any words or images, telepaths fight on the astral plane and with psi bolts.

Theoretically, I'd guess that you would be able to dodge a psi bolt - or weaken it - if you got farther out of range from the telepath?

Meh. Doesn't really matter, since Flash would defeat any telepath that has a physical body before they could attack him with one.

You should only be able to dodge of psi bolt that has tangible base and can effect matter, telepathic psi bolts have been shown many many times as the telepaths head glowing and the targets head glowing, not beams as that is only used to illustrate that their is an attack happening, by moving out of their range you help them establish a perimeter that why use to effect any mind that enters now. telepaths don't attack with their bodies, they attack with their minds, their physical reactions have nothing to do with this, thought in marvel is faster than light by an unknown margin and since things can happen in the astral plane with no time passing at all on the physical plane it is by a large margin, dreams for instance, you can nod off for a few seconds and have a dream that spans a lifetime, you can't measure it but Marvel has stated that nothing is faster. So his body can operate faster than light, so can their minds.

Except, they would have to make a conscious choice to go to the astral plane or shoot a telepathic bolt. Regardless of how fast or slow time seems to pass once they've started using their minds, the initial decisions prompting the use of their power runs at the speed of thought.

So, in terms of a dream - this would be like flash knocking them out before they can fall asleep, so to speak.

Furthermore, I've seen a scan of Thor blocking a Psi bolt from Phoenix by reacting in a nanosecond or so and using his hammer. That's a definitive time and speed for how fast a psi bolt has been shown to go.

Except that conscious choice also happens at the speed of thought, there is nothing physical that needs to be registers, with psi talents action follows thought, Magik was able to teleport away from Photon traveling at light speed, and state because thought is faster than light, and in her case something has to happen in the physical world after she has the thought, a telapth doesn't, the mind is always on the astral plane, that is why when his astral form as pulled to real world Xavier was shocked, and telepathy is always on, it takes training to control it, but once you are telepathic if you don't actively screen you are in every mind of every person in your range all the time In terms of dreams we are translating the speed of thought into something tangible for the sake of the debate to illustrate that you can dream about an entire lifetime in a few seconds, I don't follow what you are trying to say, the examples illustrates how much faster than light thought must be for this happen. I believe I stated they can be blocked, that is what shielding is about, you said "dodge"

One scan showing one person reacting at the speed of thought faster than the speed of light (and claiming it is faster) doesn't mean thoughts are suddenly faster than light.

Otherwise, all telepaths would have incredibly fast reflexes - if they can process information and think at the level you're claiming. Reflexes on par with the flash. I'm going to guess that telepaths don't generally display reflexes that fast. I know Flash can go faster than lightspeed, but the fact that the Martian Manhunter couldn't keep up with his sped up thoughts implies that his thinking is definitely not lightspeed or faster.

So, we have one character's feat of claiming that the speed of thought is faster than light vs. all the comic instances when a Telepath has not displayed faster than light, or merely insanely fast, thought processes. Therefore, I'm going to attribute that to PIS.

Regardless of whether telepaths minds are always connected to the astral plane; the fact that they don't generally show lightspeed plus reflexes suggests that the part of their mind located in their body - in the physical world - moves at the speed of their neurons and physical thought processes. Unless actually on the astral plane, their focused consciousness appear to be limited by their physical body.

What I was saying was: Dreams are an altered state of mind. While you're awake, you're normal speed. While your'e asleep, your mind may go through "entire lifetimes in a few seconds". Before you enter the state, however, your mind is not working that fast. The same apparently applies to the Astral Plane. As while you say telepaths have battles there where no time has passed in the real world and that it's seperate from time, until they're consciously fighting on that plane of existence, they are moving at the regular physical speed of mandated by the speed of their neurons. For sake of analogy, Flash would be knocking them out before they(go to sleep) have a chance to enter that altered state of mind where time runs differently. And yes, even if their minds reside in the astral plane, it doesn't mean they're always consciously their instead of in the physical world. And even if it did, it doesn't release them from the constraints - in the physical world - of the actual speed of thought.

Last, I mentioned Thor blocking the Psi-Bolt to illustrate that they don't move at faster than light speeds. Maybe they do in the Astral World where time is different, but not in the real world since Thor is fast enough to react to one. I know Thor has a handful of good speed feats, which don't match up to his general/standard speed, but he's nowhere close to the Flash. And if Thor is fast enough to react to one from Phoenix, then they have a roughly defined speed which implies that either Flash could theoretically outrun them or at the very least KO the person before it connects.

one scan of a person being attacked at the speed of light and thinking before that light speedster reaches them does mean that, we are arguing whether Marvel thinks light can travel faster than thought, they don't think that, and use the term at the speed of thought in many instances involving psi talents to imply how fast thought is, and it is usually instant and does not factor in time no matter how minuscule. Why would they have incredible physical reflexes based on the the speed of their thought? Thoughts travel at the speed of thought in anybody, your reflexes depend on your body, if I can't move at superspeed it does not matter how fast I think, unless my thoughts don't need my body to react.

No, because it is inconsistent with the fact telepaths don't generally display faster than light speed thought processes outside of the astral world. You're basing Marvel's thoughts on one feat written by one writer involving one character? I don't believe that one feat speaks for all of Marvel.

My mistake for using the wrong word; I mean mental reactions. Thought processes. We already have a scan where Martain Manhunter's thought process isn't fast enough to keep up with the Flash's sped up thoughts. Do you have scans of a wide variety of telepaths(since you're postulating that all telepaths should basically think faster than lightspeed) reacting and processing information - be it a physical threat or someone telling them something and them thinking about it - insanely quickly to the point of lightspeed? Otherwise, I'm going to have to conclude that their physical thoughts correspond with the physical speed of their brain i.e. neurons firing.

thoughts move at the speed of thought, the speed of light can be measured anything faster does not exist as far as measurment. Jean has a conversation with Beast on the astral plane while he is fighting, when the conversation is over, no time went by as far as his fight in the real world, and he came back from the astral plane with increased attributes because Jean brought him to the astral plane to tell him she could grant him that and did all in that moment. Anytime Xavier or any other telepath accesses a mind they in that exact instant know everything that happened to that person. Quentin Quire is a telepath and has billions of brilliant thoughts a second, and these are brilliant thoughts, Jean scans a room with hundreds of peoples looking for one person, based on one hidden thought and she finds that person after scanning the entire crowd instantly. Psylocke and Angel are in his apartment, an explosion tiggers, there is a flash (light) they beat the flash as her tk sends them flying miles away before the flash actually revels it's an explosion, why? the panel say action follows thought in the case of telekinesis and that is a psi talent, if the psi talent knows there is gonna be a fight it's not difficult for them to have things happen as soon as they think, they will know they are fighting Flash, this is a battle not a sneak attack.. The speed of neurons are responses to the brain, registering a thought that was already made, telepaths can function without a brain or body, how do you measure their thoughts? When they are astral projecting the brain activity is slowed to a crawl, some people will even think they are dead or in a coma. Xavier had most his brain destroyed and most thought he was dead, with little brain activity he was still able to think and be a telepath. Emma was broken into a million pieces, her brain and body dead, as they weren't in a fully organic state anyway, so how was she thinking with out neurons and such? how fast was her thought? She still had a consciousness which was independent of her brain, most likely because she is a telepath and that consciousness was still there, same with Shadow King.

I already pointed out that the lack of time difference in the astral plane, like the time difference when you're sleeping, is irrelevant because you have to "go to sleep" or "go to the astral plane." Which takes a real time conscious choice. Again, you have to go to sleep to reach that alternate brain wave pattern where time is running differently in dreams. You have to go to the astral plane to do the same.

Xavier has to make a real time choice to "access" a mind, and regardless of how long it takes once they decide and are in that mind, the decision is in real/normal time.

What you forgot to mention is that Quentin Quire is also superintelligent....don't you think that's the cause of his mind being able to have "billions of brilliant thoughts a second"? Yes. Since not all telepaths do the same, I'm going to have to assume that him being able to think insanely fast is due to the fact he's insanely intelligent. ('-' ) That was really fallacious. I can't decide which logical fallacy that you just attempted. Maybe juxtaposition. Or correlational =/= causation.

Jean has to choose to scan the room. Regardless of how "instantly" she scans them when she chooses to, the start up takes time.

And Psylocke has to think for that to happen...it doesn't matter how instantly things happen once she thinks - because Flash can move faster than you can form a thought or make a choice/deciion. Actually, bring me the scan, since that sounded more like a reflex. Like pulling your finger away from a hot oven rack before you consciously register that it burns.

...No. Neurons firing cause the electrical activity in your brain that is your thoughts. Not the other way around. And, I already pointed out that time may be different in the astral world and that they may move the focus of their consciousness there, but in the physical world, they are limited by the speed of their brains. When their mind is in their physical body, they appear limited by it.

I think you missed what I said in my last post. Emma's body was dead so her consciousness was fully focused on the astral plane. Her thoughts were as fast as you've so far claimed they are when telepaths are on the astral plane....because she was actually on the astral plane. When not, she and all other telepaths think at the regular speed of their species.

#159 Posted by HolySerpent (12648 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope. No xman can

#160 Posted by Hoboseid (1022 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

X-Man (Nate Grey)

#161 Posted by Enemybird (3266 posts) - - Show Bio

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

#162 Posted by Joygirl (20063 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut could and would. That's about it.

#163 Edited by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope summers with magik's powers + a high durable mutant with wolverine like regen or maybe an energy being? Can't she travel back in time and kill flash before he gets his powers?

Actually a fully powered demon queen mode magik in her enchanted armor should be able to do that too. She is basically a hell lord after all. Don't know if time travel is allowed on threads like this though. or can't magik port to the saftey of limbo and enter flashe's dreams and kill his soul with her sword? she has done that before.

I wonder who has an easier time crossing dimensions and time travelling, magik or flash. if you really think about it any place, dimension or time is a thought away from magik...

#164 Posted by The Stegman (25078 posts) - - Show Bio

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#165 Posted by SexualLobster (995 posts) - - Show Bio

Any telepath,

#166 Posted by chriconz123 (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@SexualLobster said:

Any telepath,

No, Martian Manhunter couldn't even keep up with Flash's thoughts. I doubt Xavier, Emma, and Jean (without Phoenix) is better at TP/TK than Jonn, they don't even have the reaction speed to counter Flash. They couldn't possibly take any hit from him. Although, Shaman Nate Grey could when he is in his Psionic form.

#167 Posted by SPM1M (845 posts) - - Show Bio

some ppl are funny if we are talkin any xmen not just current then i would have to say the phoenix is the only person coming to mind

#168 Posted by MagnusTheMagnificent (256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Enemybird said:

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

The Cerebro is/was used for locating mutants, so I'm not sure what that would do to the Flash

#169 Posted by HolySerpent (12648 posts) - - Show Bio

They can even beat superman

#170 Posted by Enemybird (3266 posts) - - Show Bio

@MagnusTheMagnificent said:

@Enemybird said:

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

The Cerebro is/was used for locating mutants, so I'm not sure what that would do to the Flash

I'm Pretty sure i've seen it being used for offensive purposes. Is it really hard to believe that with morals aside Prof. X wouldn't attack his mind once located?

#171 Posted by LordStoop (514 posts) - - Show Bio

Cerebro could be used offensively. Just look at the second x-movie.

#172 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7301 posts) - - Show Bio

@HolySerpent said:

They can even beat superman
#173 Posted by MagnusTheMagnificent (256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Enemybird said:

@MagnusTheMagnificent said:

@Enemybird said:

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

The Cerebro is/was used for locating mutants, so I'm not sure what that would do to the Flash

I'm Pretty sure i've seen it being used for offensive purposes. Is it really hard to believe that with morals aside Prof. X wouldn't attack his mind once located?

Since the Flash isn't a mutuant, he wouldn't register on the Cerebro.

@LordStoop said:

Cerebro could be used offensively. Just look at the second x-movie.

That's non-canon to comic-books though.

#174 Posted by davelecave (1113 posts) - - Show Bio

@MagnusTheMagnificent: I'm pretty sure Cerebro isn't a "mutant locator" so much as an amplifier of telepathic abilities.

#175 Edited by chriconz123 (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Juggernaut could and would. That's about it.

Juggs can't beat Flash, it will only end up a stalemate. Flash can't harm Juggs, while Juggs can't catch Flash.

@Enemybird said:

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

That would require prep and time to get to Cerebro and start it up, assuming it could be used offensively. Most mutants that can't react or move fast enough for Flash is good as KO'd. Others will just stalemate him.

#176 Posted by Joygirl (20063 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash will die of starvation before Juggybug does. ;)

#177 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6471 posts) - - Show Bio

Most everyone's talking like Flash would actually kill right off the cuff here. Like Flash actually starts fights moving faster than the speed of light on a regular basis. Like Flash hasn't been tagged (repeatedly) by street levelers ...

Xavier and Magneto should beat pre-52 Flash as the character's commonly written. Given Flash's on paper stats, no way. As the character's been treated? They should probably win.

New 52 Flash stomps hard though. He sees every scenario before it even happens and reacts accordingly. The standard issue X-Men have little to no chance. Even X-Man. I'd like to hear someone state how X-Man would win ... (he still pretty much intangible/composed of energy? Not up to date on the character's latest incarnation.)

If Flash were evil, morals off, and out for blood then most likely the whole X-Team would be bathed in their mutant X gene infested blood before they even knew what was happening.

#178 Posted by Enemybird (3266 posts) - - Show Bio

@chriconz123 said:

@Joygirl said:

Juggernaut could and would. That's about it.

Juggs can't beat Flash, it will only end up a stalemate. Flash can't harm Juggs, while Juggs can't catch Flash.

@Enemybird said:

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

That would require prep and time to get to Cerebro and start it up, assuming it could be used offensively. Most mutants that can't react or move fast enough for Flash is good as KO'd. Others will just stalemate him.

When you say stalemate i'm pretty sure you're referring to a situation where flash cant win the fight so he has to run to avoid being beaten in which case isn't a stalemate but a forfeit.

#179 Posted by BlackPhoenix312 (3 posts) - - Show Bio

No one can beat Flash, he run's at the speed of light for heaven's sake!

#180 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm thinking Gabriel Cohuelo aka Velocidad might be to one day when he comes to fully control his powers..

#181 Posted by chriconz123 (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@Enemybird said:

@chriconz123 said:

@Joygirl said:

Juggernaut could and would. That's about it.

Juggs can't beat Flash, it will only end up a stalemate. Flash can't harm Juggs, while Juggs can't catch Flash.

@Enemybird said:

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

That would require prep and time to get to Cerebro and start it up, assuming it could be used offensively. Most mutants that can't react or move fast enough for Flash is good as KO'd. Others will just stalemate him.

When you say stalemate i'm pretty sure you're referring to a situation where flash cant win the fight so he has to run to avoid being beaten in which case isn't a stalemate but a forfeit.

It isn't a forfeit. Juggs for example, how can he possibly beat Flash when he cannot even touch him?

#182 Posted by MagnusTheMagnificent (256 posts) - - Show Bio

@davelecave said:

@MagnusTheMagnificent: I'm pretty sure Cerebro isn't a "mutant locator" so much as an amplifier of telepathic abilities.

It used to be a mutant locator, at least in the early days, but that might have changed. However, since it said "early Prof X" it would mean an early version of Cerebro too.

Juggernaut might be able to beat Flash, if he uses his magic. Everyone always forget that Juggernaut has magic abilities too, even if he almost never uses them.

Or have they been retconned away? Difficult to tell with the clusterf*** that is Marvel Comics today.

#183 Posted by Enemybird (3266 posts) - - Show Bio

@c @chriconz123 said:

@Enemybird said:

@chriconz123 said:

@Joygirl said:

Juggernaut could and would. That's about it.

Juggs can't beat Flash, it will only end up a stalemate. Flash can't harm Juggs, while Juggs can't catch Flash.

@Enemybird said:

Easy Professor X + Cerebro = beaten flash

That would require prep and time to get to Cerebro and start it up, assuming it could be used offensively. Most mutants that can't react or move fast enough for Flash is good as KO'd. Others will just stalemate him.

When you say stalemate i'm pretty sure you're referring to a situation where flash cant win the fight so he has to run to avoid being beaten in which case isn't a stalemate but a forfeit.

It isn't a forfeit. Juggs for example, how can he possibly beat Flash when he cannot even touch him?

In a fight between flash and juggernaut there is absolutely no way flash can win... juggernaut can win if he lands a single blow. So flash will spend the whole fight dodging Juggs attacks never going on the offensive that isnt a fight its a forfeit . A true stalemate is something like sabertooth vs wolverine...or hulk vs juggernaut were each combatant is almost equal in power and ability. Just because flash can dodge attacks doesnt mean he stalemates the opponent.

#184 Posted by schillenger420 (821 posts) - - Show Bio

Though technically not an X-man (apparently) I'm going with a dark horse on this one and say Scarlet Witch. Probability powers combined with reality warping can be pretty powerful. As fast as Flash is it's tough to hit someone when your constantly tripping on your own two feet or for some weird reason you suddenly lose your powers. Actually using her kinda feels like cheating simply because of how her powers work. It's all based on who's writing her but she potentially could beat pretty much anyone.

#185 Posted by DarkRaiden (7729 posts) - - Show Bio

Darwin should be able to technically. Magneto with his auto shields and gravity manipulation, New Sun Gambit (maybe), Sage empowered Rogue could, Magik should and Quicksilver when he had time travel powers.

#186 Posted by Bossmonster (2268 posts) - - Show Bio

No. There are no such Xmen.

#187 Posted by Bossmoss4l (242 posts) - - Show Bio

Legion could take Flash

#188 Edited by X_insignia1 (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

Shaman X-Man easily.

#189 Edited by Dratini1331 (7028 posts) - - Show Bio
#190 Edited by X_insignia1 (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

Most everyone's talking like Flash would actually kill right off the cuff here. Like Flash actually starts fights moving faster than the speed of light on a regular basis. Like Flash hasn't been tagged (repeatedly) by street levelers ...

Xavier and Magneto should beat pre-52 Flash as the character's commonly written. Given Flash's on paper stats, no way. As the character's been treated? They should probably win.

New 52 Flash stomps hard though. He sees every scenario before it even happens and reacts accordingly. The standard issue X-Men have little to no chance. Even X-Man. I'd like to hear someone state how X-Man would win ... (he still pretty much intangible/composed of energy? Not up to date on the character's latest incarnation.)

If Flash were evil, morals off, and out for blood then most likely the whole X-Team would be bathed in their mutant X gene infested blood before they even knew what was happening.

Some specifically stated Shaman X-Man, Shaman Nate would defeat Nate rather eaisly. psionic form/abilities, reality-warping, and time manipulative abilities.

#191 Posted by SirMethos (1344 posts) - - Show Bio

A few people connected to the X-Men who could beat Flash(any incarnation) with relative ease:

Longshot, Domino, Iceman(if he starts in ice-form), Gambit with Full Potential(if he starts in energy form), Shaman Nate Grey.

#192 Edited by Super_SoldierXII (6471 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1 said:

@super_soldierxii said:

Most everyone's talking like Flash would actually kill right off the cuff here. Like Flash actually starts fights moving faster than the speed of light on a regular basis. Like Flash hasn't been tagged (repeatedly) by street levelers ...

Xavier and Magneto should beat pre-52 Flash as the character's commonly written. Given Flash's on paper stats, no way. As the character's been treated? They should probably win.

New 52 Flash stomps hard though. He sees every scenario before it even happens and reacts accordingly. The standard issue X-Men have little to no chance. Even X-Man. I'd like to hear someone state how X-Man would win ... (he still pretty much intangible/composed of energy? Not up to date on the character's latest incarnation.)

If Flash were evil, morals off, and out for blood then most likely the whole X-Team would be bathed in their mutant X gene infested blood before they even knew what was happening.

Some specifically stated Shaman X-Man, Shaman Nate would defeat Nate rather eaisly. psionic form/abilities, reality-warping, and time manipulative abilities.

Unless forewarned, I don't see an X-Man staving off a morals off Flash. Morals on (edited), maybe ...

#193 Edited by Joygirl (20063 posts) - - Show Bio

No. None of them can. Nobody in the entire X-world can.

#194 Posted by mrtrevorguy (1198 posts) - - Show Bio

1) Charles Xavier

2) Magneto

3) Ice Man

4) Magik (in lingo form)

5) Emma Frost

6) Juggernaut

#195 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (956 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordstoop: Lightning is no where near the speed of light. Lightning is at 50 000 kmph, while Light is at 187000 miles per second. Light is way faster. Thus Flash being millions of time the speed of light is way way faster than Storm or anyone on the x men team.

#196 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of them could have a chance to ko him because flash has little durability. But in a random solo encounter there are only a few that I think would actually win.

Magneto and juggernaught if you count them.

Storm

Any version of Phoenix whether its jean or ratchel

Nate grey

Possibly iceman and collossus

Maybe he wouldn't have any defense for syrin and banshee, but it's a big maybe.

#197 Posted by eternalnature (364 posts) - - Show Bio

flash thinks at light speed.

#198 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

@eternalnature: what that is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard, nobady thinks at light speed, maybe any person above sfl like galactus or the supreme intelligence.

#199 Posted by TheRider (18 posts) - - Show Bio

Beast can defeat flash with the Mind Gem

#200 Edited by CheeseSticks (2536 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto with Shield, Legion in control, full power Cable, X-Man full power, Jean Grey phoenix, Iceman full potential, Magik in Limbo form, Juggernaut and Fantomex.

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