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#1 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not saying that he is unbeatable, this is my question to you! No comic or anime characters. My friend, big O, said Ramuthra can, he, yeah right.

#2 Posted by lolcattz (74 posts) - - Show Bio

God can do it (See what I did there)

#3 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19884 posts) - - Show Bio

@lolcattz said:

God can do it (See what I did there)

I see what you did there :P

#4 Posted by Hondo_ (409 posts) - - Show Bio

Who is this Sun Wu?

#5 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Sun Wu? The monkey king, so powerful that he went into the heavens and defeated the gods, so fearsome that he forced the death god into checking monkeys' names from the death list. Strong enough to pull the moon from the heavens and change his size and shapeas he wants to. He is Immortal and nearly unbeatable, a master of magic and battle, also a sly trickster.

#6 Posted by Hondo_ (409 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt said:

Sun Wu? The monkey king, so powerful that he went into the heavens and defeated the gods, so fearsome that he forced the death god into checking monkeys' names from the death list. Strong enough to pull the moon from the heavens and change his size and shapeas he wants to. He is Immortal and nearly unbeatable, a master of magic and battle, also a sly trickster.

Mythological Zeus beats him

#7 Posted by dondave (33410 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: did he use magic to pull the moon

#8 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8728 posts) - - Show Bio

Marduk would kick his ass six ways to sunday. Tezcatlipoca would tear him a new one. Tane would eat him.

#9 Posted by the_mighty_Beyonder (701 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: any character above galactic level (and i'm being generous here with him) can kill him.

#10 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Please highly disagree with most of you use REASON, and I will counter. Also he almost pulled the moon from the heavens upon his foe, but decided his foe was to weak, (he was a giant demon who controlled nymphs.

#11 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Also goku was based off of Wu kong (he is very popular in Asia, kinda like superman here except he was made some thousand years ago). SunWuKong has an army of immortal monkeys that know magic and have skills in combat, he lives in a hidden mountain castle (behind a waterfall) where they have unlimited privacy. He looked for and trained with immortals for years. His power pole (sound similar to goku's?) can change shape and size for whoever can wield it, and it weighed too much for most people to weild, even the dragon king, but sun had no problem, as if it were a feather

#12 Edited by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh and he at the forbidden 桃子(peach) which grant the person who eats them immortality 100% immortality...he was trapped under a mountain of rocks for 800 years and came out 100% fine. he went into heaven and roughed up most of the celestial's except 玉皇(jade emperor) who is the ruler of heaven and earth (similar to LT) only answers to budah himself . so in essence to answer your questions i think only cosmic entities could challenge wukong.

Edit: to include feats.single-handedly defeated the Army of Heaven's 100,000 celestial warriors - each fight an equivalent of a cosmic embodiment, including all 28 constellations, four heavenly kings, and Nezha.

the only entity every to beat wukong was The buddah who trapped him in his hand(his hand stretched to the ends of the universe)

#13 Posted by lolcattz (74 posts) - - Show Bio

Ummm... Lovecraft's Azathot the idiot god!, he created the universe with a brain fart and a bunch of monters are trying to keep him asleep just so he doesnt destroy the universe by accident

#14 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

To dark elf did Wu kong ever get his revenge on the man who trapped him in has palm? Don't spoil much.

#15 Edited by Militaris (80 posts) - - Show Bio

Doctor Who , given time. While mainly a tv character there were book spin offs.

#16 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hondo_ said:

@18hunt said:

Sun Wu? The monkey king, so powerful that he went into the heavens and defeated the gods, so fearsome that he forced the death god into checking monkeys' names from the death list. Strong enough to pull the moon from the heavens and change his size and shapeas he wants to. He is Immortal and nearly unbeatable, a master of magic and battle, also a sly trickster.

Mythological Zeus beats him

Ha, no. Sorry hotshot Wukong would beat Zeus and then throw him out of Mt. Olympus.

#17 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: No he didnt the buddah is pretty much TOOA but relatively benevolent monkey king could never do anything to get revenge against the buddah even if he tried. also monkey king became good after he helped the tang priest deliver the scriptures

#18 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

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#19 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1553 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: You havent't say the whole thing yet, he can literally transform into anything he wants.

#20 Posted by dondave (33410 posts) - - Show Bio

I remeber the Cartoon they made about him

#21 Posted by AngryHulks (2994 posts) - - Show Bio

Mythological Zeus is pretty much universal in power, if I interpret correctly, the entire world is basically an entire universe. Vishnu and Shiva can also beat him. Jesus and Holy Spirit, Lucifer as well.

#22 Posted by sync1 (2706 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkelf35 said:

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Spamz0r.

Anyway, i'd say Waverider.

#23 Posted by Rick_Grayson (727 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hondo_ said:

@18hunt said:

Sun Wu? The monkey king, so powerful that he went into the heavens and defeated the gods, so fearsome that he forced the death god into checking monkeys' names from the death list. Strong enough to pull the moon from the heavens and change his size and shapeas he wants to. He is Immortal and nearly unbeatable, a master of magic and battle, also a sly trickster.

Mythological Zeus beats him

Lol this gif is amazing
#24 Posted by Hondo_ (409 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet:Nah myth Zeus is in invincible.

#25 Posted by Dextersinister (5688 posts) - - Show Bio

There are a good few books out there with there own version of an all powerful being and anyone of them wins.

#26 Posted by Floopay (8574 posts) - - Show Bio

Ao from the Forgotten Realms series would stomp him into submission I'd think, as would many of the D&D Gods. Many through BFR or permanent imprisonment etc.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#27 Posted by ArticulateT (189 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

Ao from the Forgotten Realms series would stomp him into submission I'd think, as would many of the D&D Gods. Many through BFR or permanent imprisonment etc.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

This, especially for the Lady of Pain. She'd probably maze him.

As for Comic Book Characters, I'd say start from things like TOAA and the Presence down to... hm... are there any notable entities between the levels of Lucifer and the Spectre?

#28 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, and no Greek/roman god Stands a chance against Sun! All he needs to do is go to the underworld and free the titans, then put them back! He is so strong, but my question is can Ramuthra beat him, I doubt it!

#29 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Sun could take mount Olympus for his own, maybe even use the titans. Also could Ramuthra even do anything to him? I doubt it.

#30 Posted by BlueHope (360 posts) - - Show Bio

Aphrodite with her belt have total control of any male mortal or god. She wins

#31 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

How does Zeus win? And sun is a monkey, doubt Aphrodite could beat im

#32 Edited by BlueHope (360 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: Second the myth is IMPOSSIBLE resist to Aphrodite seduction and manipulation when she is with her belt, she even manipulated Zeus

#33 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hondo_ said:

@BlueComet:Nah myth Zeus is in invincible.

None of the Greek Gods were invincible. Any of them could be defeated by either a more powerful opponent, like Wukong, or a more clever opponent, like Wukong.

@BlueHope: They aren't of even of the same species for one. Second, Wukong has an ability which let's him see through any guise or deception which would include Aphrodite's belt.

#34 Posted by Marksman (1364 posts) - - Show Bio

Myth Zeus is far superior to Wu Kong.

Also God

Half of the Forgotten Realms Pantheon

#35 Posted by Hondo_ (409 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

@Hondo_ said:

@BlueComet:Nah myth Zeus is in invincible.

None of the Greek Gods were invincible. Any of them could be defeated by either a more powerful opponent, like Wukong, or a more clever opponent, like Wukong.

@BlueHope: They aren't of even of the same species for one. Second, Wukong has an ability which let's him see through any guise or deception which would include Aphrodite's belt.

Zeus was.

#36 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hondo_: No he wasn't, he was defeated by Hera at least once. Also his brothers Hades and Poseidon were able to hurt him before and the monster Python nearly defeated him, doing some serious damage. He isn't unbeatable and Wukong has defeated more powerful opponents on par if not stronger than Zeus in the past.

#37 Edited by ShootingNova (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

Ha, no. Sorry hotshot Wukong would beat Zeus and then throw him out of Mt. Olympus.

If you are serious, not a chance.

He then freed his father's brothers, whom Uranus had chained. In token of gratitude, they offered him thunder and lightning. Furnished with such weapons, Zeus can thenceforth command "both mortals and immortals" (Theog. 493-506).

-- Taken from A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

... a monstrous being, Typhon, son of Gaea and Tartarus, rises against Zeus.

"From his shoulders came a hundred snake heads, frightful dragons, thrusting out blackish tongues; and from his eyes.... flared a light like fire," etc. (Theog. 824 ff.). Zeus struck him with this thunderbolts and cast him down into Tartarus.

-- Taken from A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

For already in Homer Zeus recovers the splendors and powers of a true Indo-European sovereign god. He is more than a god of the "vast sky," he is "the father of gods and men" (Iliad 1.544). And in a fragment of his Heliades (frag. 70 Nauck), Aeschylus proclaims: "Zeus is the ether, Zeus is the earth, Zeus is the sky. Yes, Zeus is all that is above all."

-- Taken from A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

Consciousness of his omnipotence is admirably illustrated in the famous scene in the Iliad (8.17 ff.) in which Zeus makes this challenge to the Olympians: "Then [you] will see how far I am strongest of all the immortals. Come, you gods, make this endeavor, that you all may learn this. Let down out of the sky a cord of gold; lay hold of it all you who are gods and all who are goddesses, yet not even so can you drag down Zeus from the sky to the ground, not Zeus the high lord of counsel, though you try until you grow weary. Yet whenever I might strongly be minded to pull you, I could drag you up, earth and all and sea and all with you, then fetch the golden rope about the horn of Olympos and make it fast, so that all once more should dangle in mid air. So much stronger am I than the gods, and stronger than mortals" (trans. Richmond Lattimore, The Iliad of Homer [Chicago, 1951]).

-- Taken from A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

And while he is considered omnipotent, I do know he is not, and that the term is hyperbole. Regardless, Zeus definitely wins against Sun Wukong. There's a lot more to Zeus than this, and there's also a dependence on which Zeus you are using, but most of the time Homer's Zeus would be the most common, and in fact, Homer's Zeus not only defeated Typhon, but Gaia (the Earth) as well.

Even the supposed "weakest incarnation of Zeus", Hesiod's Zeus (and I realize we are most likely using a more powerful version than this), can still accomplish this:

[253] And now his thunder bolts would Jove wide scatter, but he feared the flames, unnumbered, sacred ether might ignite and burn the axle of the universe: and he remembered in the scroll of fate, there is a time appointed when the sea and earth and Heavens shall melt, and fire destroy the universe of mighty labour wrought. Such weapons by the skill of Cyclops forged, for different punishment he laid aside—for straightway he preferred to overwhelm the mortal race beneath deep waves and storms from every raining sky.

#38 Edited by ShootingNova (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hondo_ said:

Nah myth Zeus is in invincible.

And this is not true either. Unless you are referring to Orphic Zeus (who is most likely not the case and I would consider Orphism to be apart from most Greek myths in general altogether), then Zeus is certainly not an invincible god, merely the sovereign.

Iliad 14.258.ff. presents Night as a comparatively powerful goddess: Zeus himself avoids angering her. It is significant that the most celebrated proclamation of the omnipotence of Zeus should have connections with the interview that the supreme master asked a primordial goddess to grant him.

-- Taken from A History of Religious Ideas Vol. 1

Yes, even Homer's Zeus is afraid of Nyx, and dares not to anger her.

#39 Posted by Hondo_ (409 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova:I meant Orphic because he's the most powerful version.

#40 Posted by ShootingNova (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hondo_: And I can tell you are replying with an ad hoc excuse. Try not to do so in the future.

Orphic Zeus isn't necessarily invincible, he is by far capable of overpowering his entire mythology, destroying, recreating and transcending it, but regardless, there's other factors to consider, and he is not outright stated to be omnipotent.

Orphic Zeus himself did consult Nyx at one point about how to control the empire of immortals, but this is off-topic.

@BlueComet said:

No he wasn't, he was defeated by Hera at least once.

Zeus was never defeated by Hera. Zeus's illegitimate children have earned her ire, had she truly been more powerful than Zeus she would have controlled him not to have affairs with other women. But she was powerless to do so. And again, the above post shows how much more powerful Zeus is than the rest of the entire Olympian pantheon combined, as well as the Earth and Sea and so on.

Also his brothers Hades and Poseidon were able to hurt him before

And again, I want proof (from legitimate sources) of any of this nonsense taking place before.

and the monster Python nearly defeated him, doing some serious damage.

Why does this even bear a mention, especially because Zeus was the victor and thus Python did not beat Zeus in the first place.

He isn't unbeatable

I never claimed him to be. I understand you are speaking to another post, but still that was mistaken anyways. And Orphic Zeus is indeed most likely unbeatable, at least by his own pantheon.

and Wukong has defeated more powerful opponents on par if not stronger than Zeus in the past.

No, he hasn't, either. He has been stomped by Buddha and he never fought anybody else even comparing to Zeus in power. Trust me, I am partially from the exact same culture that made these stories and I have heard them myself, and no, Sun Wukong is not more powerful than Zeus.

#41 Edited by ShootingNova (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: To say no Greek or Roman god can defeat Sun Wukong is stretching profusely. If you want to know why Zeus wins, refer to my above quotes.

To suggest Wukong could use the Titans is nonsense. Zeus himself possesses the power to control them, because when he felt his power could not be threatened, he released Kronos and made him king of the Isle of the Blessed. Getting the Titans back would do nothing, anyways.

Learn about characters before making such absurb claims.

#42 Posted by BeaverSauce (431 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

Monkey King.Wins.

#44 Posted by BeaverSauce (431 posts) - - Show Bio

@BeaverSauce said:

THIS

#45 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - - Show Bio

Sky-fathers could take him.

#46 Posted by ShootingNova (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos said:

Sky-fathers could take him.

He said book character. It sounds like you mis-read that as "Comic book character".

#47 Posted by ShootingNova (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

Any of them could be defeated by either a more powerful opponent, like Wukong, or a more clever opponent, like Wukong.

Well, Wukong is not nearly more powerful than them. Athena or Orphic Zeus or similarly are more clever than Wukong too. They have been called omniscient.

#48 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Myth zeus can not beat Sun, sun would just kill atlas their for destroying the planet

- Sun is a monkey, Aphrodite can not affect him.

#49 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Sun could destroy them all, could everyone explain why they thin who they think would win would win?

#50 Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude (2591 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt said:

I am not saying that he is unbeatable, this is my question to you! No comic or anime characters. My friend, big O, said Ramuthra can, he, yeah right.

I'd say a freshly fed Galactus with the old power could possibly do it.