Dude.... CHB curbstomps....
Camp Half-Blood vs Hogwarts
Lol. Hogwarts stomps very easily. Have you seen what they've done in the last battle without prep?? The teachers created charms strong enough to keep an army of dark magicians, giants and other creatures out very easily, and they can call so much magicians for an help during a month, including several magical creatures.
The camp has got Annabeth? Hogwarts has got an army of good preppers, from Hermione to Albus Dumbledore to the McGranit to Piton. They've got magical defenses that surround the castle strong enough to keep most of the demigods out.
Hogwarts wins. They've got too much resources
EDIT: not the McGranit, the McGonagall lool. In my language they changed some of the names, including Dumbledore => Albus Silente lol
@morgrim: HP had many creatures as allies if you go to the Battle of Hogwarts. You say CHB have centaturs, giants, nature spirits, etc. Hogwarts has the same. The hundred handed ones, pegasi, & hell-hounds aren't even shown to be in large abundance in CHB. I'm looking up the abilities of the Hekate cabin. No anti magic potions is listed as their abilities and if they are, potions are useless in a real fight because you would hardly get close enough to put it in someones mouth. Also the Argo 11 is a ship. Ships are useless on land. All the technology would be rendered useless by magic. Again you claim CHB has Athena, and a centaur who's been in countless wars but Hogwarts has Ravenclaw, and have Dumbledore, Snape, Slughorn, & McGonagall just to name a few. You claim they can bring in the Hunters of Artemis, yet Hogwarts could bring in the Order of the Phoenix & the Auror Office from the ministry. All the powers the demigods have you're over exagerating, or can be countered by magic. And in close combat, there isn't going to be any room to dodge. Not to mention wandless magic allows for your opponent to not see what spell you are using.
@Jnr6Lil: Its a flying ship, that already took down another camp
@Jnr6Lil: Oh, CHB has a magical defense too. So none of the wizards could cross into it
@Jnr6Lil: No its agenst anything thats not a half-blood
@Veitha said:
Lol. Hogwarts stomps very easily. Have you seen what they've done in the last battle without prep?? The teachers created charms strong enough to keep an army of dark magicians, giants and other creatures out very easily, and they can call so much magicians for an help during a month, including several magical creatures.
I think that says more about how weak the Death Eaters and Voldy were than anything else, I mean these were the same Dark Wizards who were ROFL stomped by teenagers who maybe had the most basic of training. And as far as the other wizards, outside of the Order and maybe the Auror's none of the would be any use as they were scared and useless against Death Eaters.
@Xanni15 said:
@Veitha said:
Lol. Hogwarts stomps very easily. Have you seen what they've done in the last battle without prep?? The teachers created charms strong enough to keep an army of dark magicians, giants and other creatures out very easily, and they can call so much magicians for an help during a month, including several magical creatures.
I think that says more about how weak the Death Eaters and Voldy were than anything else, I mean these were the same Dark Wizards who were ROFL stomped by teenagers who maybe had the most basic of training. And as far as the other wizards, outside of the Order and maybe the Auror's none of the would be any use as they were scared and useless against Death Eaters.
That's just a conjecture about being weak. The weren't stomped by teenagers, they stopped them easily in the fifth book and they weren't trying to kill them coz they needed them to give them the prophecy, so they caugh off guard when they attacked.
@thewatch said:
What is the most powerful feat of magic in the harry potter universe?
Fiendfire is pretty strong, it is a kind of fire that can't be exstinguished without the right spell(and only high level magicians know how to controll it) and it can burn about everything, it is strong enough to destroy the Horcruxs. With all those magicians at their disposition they could easily summon it and send it against the demi-gods, and it would destroy them very easily. Then there are many strong spells like the one that the McGonagall used to animate every inanimate statue, armor or furniture inside the castle, creating a giant army, or the ones used by Dumbledore during his fight with Voldemort.
And don't forget that the demi-gods have got no defense against transmutation.
@Jnr6Lil: "The border will also keep any any being that isn't a demigod, unless they are invited inside the border."
Ok, both boarders off i'll add it to the OP
@Jnr6Lil: Everything I said applies to both the movies and books.
@Veitha said:
That's just a conjecture about being weak. The weren't stomped by teenagers, they stopped them easily in the fifth book and they weren't trying to kill them coz they needed them to give them the prophecy, so they caugh off guard when they attacked.
They didn't stop them in the fifth book, and they did get stomp by teenagers during DH2, during the final battle. The Death Eaters should have rolled through Hogwarts, but they didn't because their skills weren't up to scratch.
@Jnr6Lil: Snape, Dumbledore and Mcgonagol are all at max 100 years old and have only been in one and two battles in their lives, compared to chiron who has existed since the age of the titans and trains people for war so they would be non factors. Secondly the argo 11 travels on air land and sea so no problem and percy can use water to out fien frye not to mention CHB has greek fire which is unstoppable except by means only greeks know. And you make such a big deal of wizards combat skills. all spells give of a flash of light and move in a direction, and all spells have been shown to be avoidable even at close range by other wizards. A such demi gods with godly reflexes and speed would have no problem with evading sodemigods for the win
@morgrim: Oh, and its Argo 2
@morgrim: any feat of the greek fire that puts it on an higher level than the Fiendfire??
In Hogwarts there's the knowledge of centuries, and there are the some of the greatest magical weapons and mistical means that exist in that universe, and they could call a giant amount of magicians to help in a month, and they could also find or create a spell against the demigods.
@Xanni15: I don't agree with you, but how would this change the results of the battle??
No one in CHB has got defenses against trasmutation
@Veitha: The one major problem is not the equipment. iF WE WERE TO COMPARE EQUIPMENT AND BACKUP THEY WOULD BE ARGUABLY EQUAL BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE GREAT SOURCES OF BACKUP AS WELL AS HOGWARTS HAVING A BUNCH OF MAGICAL THINGS AND CAMP HALF BLOOD HAVING magical technological advancements centuries ahead of their time. the real difference lies in the people fighting on each side. on one side you have wizards the majority of which are inexperienced and only know how to point a wand and fire. The most I have ever seen a harry potter wizard do is jump and duck and point their wand. On the other side you have elitely trained demi gods. who spend everyday practising and training fdor war. they are practised killers and have strength speed and supernatural powers above average. they can raise armies of dead as well as summon spirits that can fight. plus they are all battle hardened veterans. teh wizards would stand absolutely no chance against such powerfull adversaries and the ywould inevitably fall
@joewell: I put 11 because i was trying to show the roman numeral
@morgrim said:
@Jnr6Lil: Snape, Dumbledore and Mcgonagol are all at max 100 years old and have only been in one and two battles in their lives, compared to chiron who has existed since the age of the titans and trains people for war so they would be non factors. Secondly the argo 11 travels on air land and sea so no problem and percy can use water to out fien frye not to mention CHB has greek fire which is unstoppable except by means only greeks know. And you make such a big deal of wizards combat skills. all spells give of a flash of light and move in a direction, and all spells have been shown to be avoidable even at close range by other wizards. A such demi gods with godly reflexes and speed would have no problem with evading sodemigods for the win
Snape, Dumbledore, McGonagall may be old but are still some of the greatest wizards in the universe. Dumbledore was widely considered the most powerful wizard of all time next to Voldemort and was the only who can stand up to him. Snape was the most powerful of Voldemort's 4 Horsemen (Snape, Lucius Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, & Barty Crouch Jr.) and McGonagall was arguably the most powerful witch in the series. You claim they have only been in one or two battles yet both participated in both Wizarding Wars. Chiron trains heroes, doesn't mean he has their skills, physical capabilities, or participates in battles himself. The Argo 11 wouldn't even go through Hogwarts magical defenses, and Fiendfyre would burn it to a crisp before water could put it out. Nonverabl magical and wandless magic doesn't move in a flash of light.
@morgrim said:
@Veitha: The one major problem is not the equipment. iF WE WERE TO COMPARE EQUIPMENT AND BACKUP THEY WOULD BE ARGUABLY EQUAL BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE GREAT SOURCES OF BACKUP AS WELL AS HOGWARTS HAVING A BUNCH OF MAGICAL THINGS AND CAMP HALF BLOOD HAVING magical technological advancements centuries ahead of their time. the real difference lies in the people fighting on each side. on one side you have wizards the majority of which are inexperienced and only know how to point a wand and fire. The most I have ever seen a harry potter wizard do is jump and duck and point their wand. On the other side you have elitely trained demi gods. who spend everyday practising and training fdor war. they are practised killers and have strength speed and supernatural powers above average. they can raise armies of dead as well as summon spirits that can fight. plus they are all battle hardened veterans. teh wizards would stand absolutely no chance against such powerfull adversaries and the ywould inevitably fall
@joewell: I put 11 because i was trying to show the roman numeral
You act like Harry Potter wizards know nothing. 1. The demigods in CHB are fairly basic, 2. They don't train for war everyday. Most of the time they're chilling because it is a summer camp. You act as if Hogwarts students weren't training for Voldemort. CHB aren't practicised killers. They're just warriors in training, half of which who probably aren't expecting to fight in their life. Only Nico can summon armies of dead and spirits. Hogwarts are just as much battle hardened veterans as CHB.
@Veitha: Im not saying they dont im just saying that in the respect of equipment and backup both teams are arguably equal and the reason CHB would win is mainly because of having better soliders
@Jnr6Lil: Actually every battle camp half blood has been in he has been a participant and they have been through alot of battles. plus in order to train heroes he would have to have the skill required to train them plus he spars with his students so yes he does have skill and physical capabilities. Next to artemis and apollo he is considered to be the greatest archer in all of history so not matter how great a wizard dumbeldore or snape is, the fact cant be ifnored that chiron has as a fact been in more battles than all of them combined, and that he is as a fact one of the greatest warriors alive and that he is as a fact a battlehardend tactitian and btw using voldemort in your explanations dosent give the wizards credibility as voldemort in Percy Jackson's universe would havebeen considered a C level villian and would have been dispatched with haste. Voldemort is nothing in comparison with luke, chronos, and gia { I know I didnt spell it right}. And another thjing that shows how much more powerful camp half blood is, as opposed to hogwarts, is thefact that hogwarts couldnt defeat voldemort who would havebenn killed by thedemigods
OH and btw not everyone can use fiendfrye plus just saying it would endanger the wizards as much as thehalfbloods oh and either percy, leo, or thailia would be able to take care of it no problem especially since one of them commands all fire. Secondly greek fire is more dangerous as
1} it can actually burn underwater
2} A few jars of it have been shown capable of destroying a ship the size ofthe titanic
3} Only the greeks know how to put it out.
@Jnr6Lil: That comment was full of ignorance and only shows that you dont really read percy jackson books. As for one everyday afer dinner they come together and play battle for the flag in which they fight each other over the flag using real weapons andsuch. Even if it isnt every day it is the majority of the time. Secondly they have to take classes such as archercy and weapon training. Camp half blood is not a camp for fun it is a place demigods go to learn how to survive and kill monsters, so i dont know where you get the notion that they "chill". Also they constantly are sent into the forest to kill monsters whereas the hogwarts students never have to leave the safety of their rooms unless they want to. Not to mention the fact that while wizards can go in the outside world and be okay once a demigod goes outside monsters instantly pick them up and try to kil lthem so each and every last one of the members of camp half blood are trained killers. and warriors each of them has slayen coutless acid spewing truck crunching monsters and so a few puny wizards with barely any battle experience or real formal training, would be childs play. Also you claim that the wizards were preparing for voldemort wellfirst of all no one really believed voldemort was back until order of the phoenix thats when they started training and only about 20 of them were really training and that is dumbeldores army the rest of the school was actually forbidden from practicing defense against the dark arts.Not to mention only a hand full of hogwarts students have proper defense against the dark arts training because about half of the DADA teachers were idiots who didnt teach them properly. So you are greatly mistaken if you ar putting hogwarts students level of battle readiness on par with the demigods. Only dumbeldore could hope to hold his ground against a demigod and even he would fall to chiron or percy or nico or annabeth. And yes only nico can summon the army but the dead soliders would help every body plus the majority of students have powers such as the demeter cabin and hecate cabin so that wouldnt be a problem.
@morgrim said:
@Veitha: Im not saying they dont im just saying that in the respect of equipment and backup both teams are arguably equal and the reason CHB would win is mainly because of having better soliders
@Jnr6Lil: Actually every battle camp half blood has been in he has been a participant and they have been through alot of battles. plus in order to train heroes he would have to have the skill required to train them plus he spars with his students so yes he does have skill and physical capabilities. Next to artemis and apollo he is considered to be the greatest archer in all of history so not matter how great a wizard dumbeldore or snape is, the fact cant be ifnored that chiron has as a fact been in more battles than all of them combined, and that he is as a fact one of the greatest warriors alive and that he is as a fact a battlehardend tactitian and btw using voldemort in your explanations dosent give the wizards credibility as voldemort in Percy Jackson's universe would havebeen considered a C level villian and would have been dispatched with haste. Voldemort is nothing in comparison with luke, chronos, and gia { I know I didnt spell it right}. And another thjing that shows how much more powerful camp half blood is, as opposed to hogwarts, is thefact that hogwarts couldnt defeat voldemort who would havebenn killed by thedemigods
OH and btw not everyone can use fiendfrye plus just saying it would endanger the wizards as much as thehalfbloods oh and either percy, leo, or thailia would be able to take care of it no problem especially since one of them commands all fire. Secondly greek fire is more dangerous as
1} it can actually burn underwater
2} A few jars of it have been shown capable of destroying a ship the size ofthe titanic
3} Only the greeks know how to put it out.
Honestly morgrim you claim I'm ignorant, but you argue things like a 4th grader who just names off facts that have no substanc e
They've been in few battles. Other then the Battle in the Last Olympian name 1 battle they've been in that had to do with a war. Nor does he spar with his students. And there's a such thing as verbal training. Phil Jackson can coach Kobe. Doesn't mean he's just as good as Kobe at basketball or has the same physical capabilities. He's a great archer. That's cool, expect Dumbledore knows Disillusionment Charms that would allow for Chiron not to seem him while blocking his attacks at the same time. Chiron trains heroes, That doesn't mean he fights in the battles themselves, unlike Dumbledore who participated in both Wizarding Wars. And you do realize Voldemort wouldn't beat Chronos or Gaia because they're gods, but I highly doubt he would be so easily defeated by kids who wouldn't be able to combat his extensive knowledge of the Dark Arts, and his use of the Unforgivable Curses.
You can't control Fiendfyre. Once it goes it goes all by itself. All they would need to do is use it to burn the ship which would already so significant damage before it's even put out. Also everything you said about Greek Fire applies the same to Fiendfyre. Fiendfyre can't be put about by water, it's highly dangerous and advanced and only wizards know how to put it out. The wizards learned how to use it when the Carrows took over Defense Against the Dark Arts in the 7th year.
@morgrim: Everything you're saying proves you haven't read Harry Potter or even seen the movies. I've read PJO but you have no proof that I didn't read the books so everything you're saying is pure assumption caused by your insecurity that someone is taking the side of HP and not PJO. You act as if Hogwarts students don't practice dueling. And never has Chiron told someone to go kill a monster. Campers can go to if they want but don't make it seem as if it's camp policy. You claim Hogwarts students have no battle experience, when they have competed in the Battle of the Astronomy Tower, & The Battle of Hogwarts. And yes the wizards for preparing for Voldemort. By 3rd year Dementors were surrounding the school and they were learning Defense against Dark Creators. By 4th year they were already learning the Unforgivable Curses. And no it isn't only a handful. Lupin, Moody, Snape & The Carrows taught both DADA & Dark Arts, That wasn't with just Dumbledore's Army. That was with the whole school. And the Demeter Cabin? Useless, their powers aren't that strong in the books, and the Hecate cabin is no different than wizards vs wizards, which the Hogwarts students have been doing their whole lives.
@Jnr6Lil: I think this argument has gone on long enough and it is time it came to a close. First off in all my arguments I ensure that they contain one vital element and that is FACTS so let me start throwing some irrefutable Facts your way.
FACT: Chiron is older than anyone in hogwarts he has been around since the age of the titans which isprobably longer than hogwarts has been in existence. And in every battle CHB has been in he has been there giving guidance and fighting alongside them. And as shown by CHB's history as well as the spoken word of many different characters CHB has been in countless wars so it is a FACT that Chiron is more experienced and skill a tactian and strategist than anyone else.
FACT: Chiron is considered one of the greatest archers in history he is a war veteran and monster killing centaur so Fact he is a trained skilled and experience fighter as well as teacher
FACT: Fiendfrye is a fire based spell. FACT: Leo Valdez is the son of the God of fire and has control over all flames. FACT; Leo is thecaptain of the Argo2 and the onewho is always flying it. As such it is a fact that if they try to use fiendfrye to destroy the ship leo will take control of the flames and he will use it against the wizards. As such as aFACT fiendfrye will become irrelevant
FACT: Wizards havehuman level atheletics. FACT: All spells that have been used in combat have been shown avoidable by dodging and runing. FACT regualr human level wizards have been seen dodging and avoiding the unforgivable curses as well as other spells hexes and curses. AND SO UN IGNORABLE FACT: If human level wizards can dodge spells then super human level demi gods with godly speed capable of dodging and blocking bullets can OBVIOUSLY dodge spells wth little to no problem.
FACT: demigods recieve more combat training than wizards. As such FACT if they can dodge spells and move faster than wizards can see then they can get close to them and kill them with a single strike. FACT wizards have little to no close combat training and FACT once you get past their spells they are basically human. FACT a wizard has little to no hope of beating a demigod as
FACT: Demigods are faster
FACT they are stronger
FACT they are more skilled
AND SO FACT CAMP HALF BLOOD WILL WIN
@morgrim: Dumbledore has fought alongside his students also. Again all the battles you keep naming aren't much. PJO doesn't have many camp battles. They have many Percy battles. CHB wasn't even said to have alot of wars. Demigods were said to have lots of wars.
There's no info saying Chiron was one of the greatest archers or even a war veteran. All that's known is that he trained heroes. Doesn't mean he fought along side them
Fiendfyre also has a conscious of it's own and will do what is wants. You do realize, it'll be easy to burn the chip before Leo even gets control of the flames. And the Argo will be irrelevant because camp defense will block it from coming it.
They won't be able to dodge spells in a melee fight where it's troops against troops, and everyone is so close together. Achilles had reflexes also but if he was fighting with the Greeks, to the wall, he would've been easily killed. You fail to realize, spells are bolts of light. They aren't as easy to dodge as you think. All spells can't be dodged. Wandless/nonverabl magic can't be dodged. You know how many times Voldemort flicked Harry and no bolt of light appeared. Sectumsempra is a powerful curse that can't be dodged. The Cruciatus Curse can't be dodged.
Wizards receive just as much combat training as wizards. They learned from Lupin, Moody, Snape, & The Carrows. They have learned to duel each other since their 2nd year. They learn Disillusionment Charms which once used would confuse the hell out of the Demigods.
@Jnr6Lil: Actually all demigods go to camp half blood its been stated hence when they say there have been demigod wars that involves the camp and chiron has been thecamp directorfrom the camp was founded and has fought in all of its battles. plus he is an archer of legend so yes his battle skills are impressive. But really is your argument so hollow that you seek to poke holes in a much established fact?
Also the ship is gigantic and from the flames appear leo will feel them plus his crew would be sure to mention them and from they get close he will have control over them, because last time I checked a demigods control over his natural element is greater than the element itself. For example when jason subjugated the living lightening storm horse, and caused it to follow his will it would bethe same thing so once again fiendfrye irrelevant.
And if everyone is close together then the wizards wil be more likely to hit thier own soliders than the enemy because spells dont have eyes and only go in the direction you fire them. And as it has been established that demigods have the reflexes to dodge point blank bullets, they would be able to dodge close range blasts that once again regular human level beings can dodge as such the wizards would be in more trouble from the spells than the demigods. And dont say nonverbal/wandless magic can't be dodged because in al the harry potter books i have read, everytime their was a duel or fight the wizards were able to dodge the spells as long as they moved out of the way.
Also please stop with that stupid notion that wizards get as much combat training as demi gods, because that is just perposterus. They have only had t0 duel each other every once in a while, and they have never gone into the forbidden forest to kill a monster or gone on a journey to slay a dragon. Only a few of them have ever faced a mythical beast before. while demigods fight monsters everyday. In the first book where ron and harry together could barely stop a troll. Percy without training was already ripping the horns off a minatour with his bare hands at the age of 11 so pleaseeeee the demigods would fight circles around the wizards and thats a FACT. Also the disillusionment charms would be childs play compared to the MIST which by the way is a godly created force that all demigods with the know how can manipulate.
@morgrim said:
@Jnr6Lil: Snape, Dumbledore and Mcgonagol are all at max 100 years old and have only been in one and two battles in their lives, compared to chiron who has existed since the age of the titans and trains people for war so they would be non factors. Secondly the argo 11 travels on air land and sea so no problem and percy can use water to out fien frye not to mention CHB has greek fire which is unstoppable except by means only greeks know. And you make such a big deal of wizards combat skills. all spells give of a flash of light and move in a direction, and all spells have been shown to be avoidable even at close range by other wizards. A such demi gods with godly reflexes and speed would have no problem with evading sodemigods for the win
lol wut? Snape is in his 40's. Are you forgetting that he went to school with James and Sirius? How the hell did you work out that he was 100 years old?
@CitizenBane: I'm sure they would know how to use it. That's probably how they beat the Death Eaters finally. @morgrim said:
@Jnr6Lil: Actually all demigods go to camp half blood its been stated hence when they say there have been demigod wars that involves the camp and chiron has been thecamp directorfrom the camp was founded and has fought in all of its battles. plus he is an archer of legend so yes his battle skills are impressive. But really is your argument so hollow that you seek to poke holes in a much established fact?
Also the ship is gigantic and from the flames appear leo will feel them plus his crew would be sure to mention them and from they get close he will have control over them, because last time I checked a demigods control over his natural element is greater than the element itself. For example when jason subjugated the living lightening storm horse, and caused it to follow his will it would bethe same thing so once again fiendfrye irrelevant.
And if everyone is close together then the wizards wil be more likely to hit thier own soliders than the enemy because spells dont have eyes and only go in the direction you fire them. And as it has been established that demigods have the reflexes to dodge point blank bullets, they would be able to dodge close range blasts that once again regular human level beings can dodge as such the wizards would be in more trouble from the spells than the demigods. And dont say nonverbal/wandless magic can't be dodged because in al the harry potter books i have read, everytime their was a duel or fight the wizards were able to dodge the spells as long as they moved out of the way.
Also please stop with that stupid notion that wizards get as much combat training as demi gods, because that is just perposterus. They have only had t0 duel each other every once in a while, and they have never gone into the forbidden forest to kill a monster or gone on a journey to slay a dragon. Only a few of them have ever faced a mythical beast before. while demigods fight monsters everyday. In the first book where ron and harry together could barely stop a troll. Percy without training was already ripping the horns off a minatour with his bare hands at the age of 11 so pleaseeeee the demigods would fight circles around the wizards and thats a FACT. Also the disillusionment charms would be childs play compared to the MIST which by the way is a godly created force that all demigods with the know how can manipulate.
All Demigods don't go to CHB. If you go back to the Last Olympian where Percy, meets with the Olympian Council after the battle to claim his reward, or even back to the first book, the Gods have hundreds of kids out there in the world who aren't even claimed. There's been said to be Demigod Wars (WW2) but the only Demigod War that was said to happen is between the Roman & The Greek camp, that's the only one. Other than that it was never said it was others. It was never even said Chiron fought in all those battles. It was simply said that he was a trainer of heroes. But sure, he's an archer of legend. Archers are useless in close range combat which I assume the battle would be, and would be useless against wizards who can use magical shields to block it.
Won't even matter because the ship can't even get through Hogwarts defense.
If everyone is close together in melee combat, the spells can hit anyone. It's not 100% sure it'll hit each other and it's not 100% sure it'll hit the enemy. Nor has it never been eastablished demigods have the reflexes to dodge point blank bullets. Show me proof because you're just making things up now. And no nonverbal/wandless magic can't even be dodged. Sectumsempra, Cruciatus Curse, The Imperius Curse, all don't show any beams of light that can be dodged. Do I need ot even go back to all those times Voldemort faced Harry and he knocked Harry to the ground with just a wave of his hand, and again no flash of light.
Wizards do get as much combat training as Demigods. Just because they don't face each other all tihe time doesnt mean they don't get combat training. They train in Charms, Transfiguration, Duelling, D.A.D.A. all of which are useful in combat. And killing monsters doesn't mean anything. You do realize because Hogwarts don't kill their creatures they have way more allies in the battle against CHB. Nor do Demigods face monsters everyday. They face monsters only if they want to go into the forest and find them themselves. Other than that the Golden Fleece protects monsters from coming into CHB, therefore the monsters they face is few and far between. Also a Disllusionment Charm renders you completely invisiable. The Mist can't do that, is only able to be manipulated by a select few, and oh. The Mist only twists the images of Monsters, gods, titans, and mythical creatures, so the demigods can't use the Mist to change their appearance because the mist doesn't affect them due to being humans.
@Jnr6Lil: About hogwarts magical defenses you are aware that they can only handle so much assault. A few rounds of greek fire would be more than enough to break through after all it didnt take voldemort much time of blasting to get through either.
Also only two people in the book acually know about the sectumsempra spell, plus the imperius curse dosent work on people with strong enough minds. And as it has been stated constantly throughout the book not everyone can cast theunforgivablecurses especially the cruciatus curse, not to mention people such as bellatrix have been shown to withstand the curse for example when harry used it on her and she was barely bothered. And if she with her human resistance can withstand the pain so can the demigods with their above average resistance. Plus while casting the cruciatus spell a wizard leaves themselves open as they cant do anything but the spell so all the demigod need s is to resist for a second or two and then decapitate or stab the wizard and game over.
And about the blocking bullets thing it was in the third book where percy was charing gun wielding skeletons and the shot at him and friends point blank and according to the book percy "felt the path" of the bullet and deflected off the sword. And as stated before all demigods have heighten reflexes and senses and as such dodging spells is easy.
In charms and transfiguration they only learn every day spells as well as how to transform things into other things so please. However in D.A.D.A and dueling they do get more instruction as it applies to fighting. but it isnt instructions like how to run and kung fu fight your opponent it is instructions on different spells to use and how to point your wand in combat. Demigods have archery, javellin, sword and spear fights. they go to camp half blood to train mainly for combat. Which is why in a combat setting they have the advantag. Also you made the misguided statement about how killing monsters dosent mean anything. Here we have wizards who only know how to fire spells from their wands and barely applie motion to their fighting, they have never had to fight anything short of other wizards with the same fighting style and reaction speed and as such when fighting people who fight minatours giants, harpies,drakons and hell hounds on a regular basis. They wont be able to cope with the speed, strength and skill of their adversary.They will be so used to fighting people at a relatively safe distance using spells every few seconds. That they will be astonded when thedemigods are jumping dodging runing dashing off walls and getting in close and personal with them. And seeing that the speed and reflexes of the demigods will allow them to close the small gap, once they get into fighting in close combat the inexperienced wizards will behorribly out matched.
And your biggest mistake is about the mist. The mist is a force that conceals all things magical that can be so thick sometimes that even magically being such as demigods have a hard time seeing through it. In the titans curse it is shown that the mist is manipulatable by demigods and they can even use it on monsters to conceal their sight. So the mist does in fact conceal demigods and it would affect the wizards sight especially if manipulated to do so
In the end my argument still stands. The war isnt going to be a longe range thing both groups are going to slam into each other and fight. The demigods are faster, stronger, and possess greater reflexes than the wizards. they are capable of doing many if not all thier spells and due to their speed of movement and effeciency in fight if a wizard casts one spell and missess it will be the last spell they cast. As such despite having arguable equaly equipment to the demigods due to the quality of soliders the wizards lose. It's like pitting civilians with guns against special black ops teams who can dodge bullets the winner is obvious
@morgrim:
Greek fire doesn't break force fields. Voldemort broke through the force fields because it was a wizard
With prep, Harry could teach people Sectumsepra along with Snape. And the Imperius Curse would work on the Half Bloods. Sure they can read Ancient Greek but at the end of the day the Demigods are just kids. It doesn't mean they have strong willpower. And with prep not only could more people use the Unforgivable Curses but people already have knowledge of the Curses. Moody taught it to them in their 4th year, the Carrows taught it to them in their 7th year. People like Harry, & Snape know them and could teach them with a 1 month prep as the OP states. If you actually read the book carefully, you should know Bellatrix didn't resist the Cruciatus Curse. Harry yelled out the words but he never actually used the curse. She already said that he had to have the midnset for it which he didn't so she can't resist what never happened. No one in the series has ever shown to be resisting the Cruciatus Curse and if it happened on somebody, you do realize it's difficult to resist. It's something if used to the highest degree could destroy someone mentally, so even if they still live their brains would be boggled.
The gun wielding skeletons were from the 1800s so they weren't even skilled guns but whether they could dodge guns or not is irrelevant because in melee combat (consisting of over 12 cabins, and 7 years of 4 houses) if you have Achilles reflexes, you're not going to have space to dodge anything. Not to mention I've already said time and time again that all magic can't be dodged because all magic doesn't require a beam of light http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wandless_spell
In Charms and Transfiguration they also learn spells for combat. You do know that being an Auror which is a job in combat requires skill in Charms & Transfiguration. Which one will do more? Archery, Javelin, Sword, Spear, or turning someone into a hamster. You can kill a man with a weapon but that's if you can get a kil shot. Turning someone into a hamster can make sure they never come back to hurt you again and end the fight then and there. And you're completely overrating the monsters the Demigods face. Hellhounds, Minotaurs, Giants, Drakons, & Harpies aren't commonplace, and have mostly been fought by Percy, not demigods.
No the Mist only conceals things that are magical. They don't conceal humans (Demigods & Mortals) http://camphalfblood.wikia.com/wiki/Mist
Dillisuionment does way more than the Mist. The Mist would be useless because A. It doesn't conceal Demigods & B. Most of the creatures in PJO aren't going to be on CHB side so there's no monsters to conceal. Now if wizards were able to make themselves invisible it would be an automatic win. because they can see their opponent but there opponent can't see them.
Oh and you know who's on Hogwarts side? Dementors, And those guys can suck the soul out of people and can only be defeated with the Patronus Charm, which only wizards know
@Jnr6Lil: I think he's talking about the skeletons in the 3rd book who were apart of Kronos'es army ( i don't really remeber but i know they were some where in DC when it happend )
Hogwarts defense will repel them while people like mcgonagal transfigure their weapons into something that will attack them and Hermione with prep is a lot scarier than Anabelle with prep. Plus all of the magical plants that they are willing to use and fire that cannot be extinguished will allow Team Harry to stomp
@phoenixfire12301: CHB has magic plants too, and magic fire
Hermione prep feats?
And the Ares cabin can do that too
@Jnr6Lil: Ok, but anything specific?
She can prepare potions that even master potieneers have trouble such as the polyjuice potion. She got an Outstanding(highest grade possible) in all subjects except for defense against the dark arts. She also reads a lot and knows a wide variety of spells all of which she can perform with ease. The greek gods also seem like something she would study so she would have a report on past demigods and help preparation based off of those feats. She is the walking encyclopedia or Wikipedia if you prefer. She was able to hide the gang for weeks on end and works well under pressure. Basically any info needed on anything she has and can do it. Which makes her at least on par with Anabelle in terms of intelligence and with the magic boast and potions such as Felix... cant remember they will be able to win. Felix(insert name) makes whoever drinks it as lucky as possible.
@phoenixfire12301: @Jnr6Lil: @joewell: Okay first off stop putting so much hype into hogwarts defenses. CHB has the children of a madic goddess not to mentio nthey use barriers as well to keep out unwanteds so its not like they are just going to be walking into the barrier and saying ouch. They well use the hecate children to break the shield or they will break it by force with the argo 2 because as it has been shown in harry potter shields can be broken with the appropriate force.
And since we brought up the prep time let me tell you CHB will be able to do loads more with that one month of prep than the whole of hogwarts could let me explain why. first of by no means is hermione close to annabeth and strategies she may be smart but annabeth has been able to kill monsters just by verbally tricking them. Annabeth has a computer full of thousands of designs that are decades ahead of their time plus the hephestaus cabin has bunker 12 and can basically build anything they think off. In a months time they would have developed leagues of magic androids and dragons. And with camp half bloods extensice comnat knowledge curtesy of chiron, annabeth, thailia and clarrise who might I add is the daughter of war so she knows a thing ortwo about war. They would create a battle plan like no other. You seem to forget that hogwarts is full of inexperienced novices with little to no batttle experience. The only people who would be making plans would bethe teachers and hermione. While in camphalf blood everyone is well versed in the art of war.
Also for Jnr6Lil you keep saying how harry could teach everyone the spells. Well just remember that even if he does he wont be able to teach 1st to 4th years as they wouldnt have the skill and such to learn such spells only the 5th years and up. plus as mentioned before the unforgivable curses cant be used as easily as normal spells and even harry who is supposed to be some greater combat wizard, was unable to use the simpliest one. So its not like everyone is going to learn how to use it. Also peoplehave undergone months and yearsof torture from that spell so it really isnt something suited for battle niether is the imperius curse because it is not an instant mind control thing you need time to work the spell properlly on a non moving target and in battle no one is going to have time to use either the crucio or imperius curse and as for avada kedvra it is considered the most difficult spell to use and requires skill and power that only someone in their 6th year and up would have plus once again not everyone can do it. So in the end even if a few people learn the unforgivable curses they wont be able to use two of them and the third one is easy to dodge if you have super human reflexes so they would end up accidentally hurting their own side
Also you cant magically transfigure magic instruments and all their weapons are enchanted celestial bronze.
Camp half blood also has magically plants and fire just like hogwarts however due to technological advances they would have a huge advantage overthe wizards. i mean hogwarts would go into battle with wands against robots like the ones used in kronos war and since they are robotic not a lot of spells are gonna work on them. Also percy isnt the only one who kills monsters eveyone hasbeen shown killing monsters of various size and power.
In the end it would be a blood bath.Hogwarts has magic on their side but thats about it they dont have fighting skill or experience and they cant takeon anyone that can move faster than they cast their spells. Camp half blood would storm the school walls with armies of Robots {unaffected by magic}, Dragons, HEll hounds, Centauors and trained giants and cyclopes not the brute ones that live in hogwarts forest but the train solider cyclopes and giants of posiedons army. Camphalf bloodwil have the Argo 2 constantly firing devastating blasts into the castle walls. Plus seeing as robots cant be easily destroyed with magic the wizards would have to resort to physical force which they lack and they would be slaughtered at the hands of androids and the like. Plus at the end of the day CHB residents are better trained, they are faster stronger and built to fight wars. They would move faster than the wizards could react, heck they wouldnt even see death coming. Plus CHB's hard hitters like percy, nico, thalia, clarisse, and annabeth would be able to take out wizards by the dozen while snape and mcgonagol could be defeat by any warrior that dodges their spells and takes their head. It is painfully obvious that CHB wins and you guys sure are being ignorant
@morgrim: What i'm on your side man
Howgwarts defense can hide it from anyone who is not a wizard and I am sure they can do something to celestial brownze they can also slow people down and shoot objects as fast as bullets. And Hermoine is very intelligent and is definitely on par with Anabeth. They also have an entire army of soldiers who cannot die and will continue to fight. They also have the bonus of a castle where they know all of the secrets and can just hop from portrait to portrait hiding and waiting to attack. Also mcgonocal is wicked at tranguration and can probably turn make whatever they need. Also within a month hagrid could whip up a phoenix and an army of trolls and other monsters that will fight those puny half bloods . they can also imbue charms into their clothing, which has been done, for protection against swords and even imbue a freezing spell on them so whoever touches them freezes. They could also use an age line that wont let anyone in unless they are whatever age they feel is right. With the combined force of all Hogwarts students above grade 5 and the talented teachers and there thoughts they can out power the demigods with ease if they use the prep time properly. the wizards can also make things like robots. The army I referred to earlier being the statues .
@phoenixfire12301: I said magic barriers down in the op because both have them and it would just make the battle pointless.
Almost everyone in CHB have taken down bigger threats then trolls and phoenixes
And the battle dosn't just take place in Hogwarts, it takes place in both
@morgrim said:
@phoenixfire12301: @Jnr6Lil: @joewell: Okay first off stop putting so much hype into hogwarts defenses. CHB has the children of a madic goddess not to mentio nthey use barriers as well to keep out unwanteds so its not like they are just going to be walking into the barrier and saying ouch. They well use the hecate children to break the shield or they will break it by force with the argo 2 because as it has been shown in harry potter shields can be broken with the appropriate force.
And since we brought up the prep time let me tell you CHB will be able to do loads more with that one month of prep than the whole of hogwarts could let me explain why. first of by no means is hermione close to annabeth and strategies she may be smart but annabeth has been able to kill monsters just by verbally tricking them. Annabeth has a computer full of thousands of designs that are decades ahead of their time plus the hephestaus cabin has bunker 12 and can basically build anything they think off. In a months time they would have developed leagues of magic androids and dragons. And with camp half bloods extensice comnat knowledge curtesy of chiron, annabeth, thailia and clarrise who might I add is the daughter of war so she knows a thing ortwo about war. They would create a battle plan like no other. You seem to forget that hogwarts is full of inexperienced novices with little to no batttle experience. The only people who would be making plans would bethe teachers and hermione. While in camphalf blood everyone is well versed in the art of war.
Also for Jnr6Lil you keep saying how harry could teach everyone the spells. Well just remember that even if he does he wont be able to teach 1st to 4th years as they wouldnt have the skill and such to learn such spells only the 5th years and up. plus as mentioned before the unforgivable curses cant be used as easily as normal spells and even harry who is supposed to be some greater combat wizard, was unable to use the simpliest one. So its not like everyone is going to learn how to use it. Also peoplehave undergone months and yearsof torture from that spell so it really isnt something suited for battle niether is the imperius curse because it is not an instant mind control thing you need time to work the spell properlly on a non moving target and in battle no one is going to have time to use either the crucio or imperius curse and as for avada kedvra it is considered the most difficult spell to use and requires skill and power that only someone in their 6th year and up would have plus once again not everyone can do it. So in the end even if a few people learn the unforgivable curses they wont be able to use two of them and the third one is easy to dodge if you have super human reflexes so they would end up accidentally hurting their own side
Also you cant magically transfigure magic instruments and all their weapons are enchanted celestial bronze.
Camp half blood also has magically plants and fire just like hogwarts however due to technological advances they would have a huge advantage overthe wizards. i mean hogwarts would go into battle with wands against robots like the ones used in kronos war and since they are robotic not a lot of spells are gonna work on them. Also percy isnt the only one who kills monsters eveyone hasbeen shown killing monsters of various size and power.
In the end it would be a blood bath.Hogwarts has magic on their side but thats about it they dont have fighting skill or experience and they cant takeon anyone that can move faster than they cast their spells. Camp half blood would storm the school walls with armies of Robots {unaffected by magic}, Dragons, HEll hounds, Centauors and trained giants and cyclopes not the brute ones that live in hogwarts forest but the train solider cyclopes and giants of posiedons army. Camphalf bloodwil have the Argo 2 constantly firing devastating blasts into the castle walls. Plus seeing as robots cant be easily destroyed with magic the wizards would have to resort to physical force which they lack and they would be slaughtered at the hands of androids and the like. Plus at the end of the day CHB residents are better trained, they are faster stronger and built to fight wars. They would move faster than the wizards could react, heck they wouldnt even see death coming. Plus CHB's hard hitters like percy, nico, thalia, clarisse, and annabeth would be able to take out wizards by the dozen while snape and mcgonagol could be defeat by any warrior that dodges their spells and takes their head. It is painfully obvious that CHB wins and you guys sure are being ignorant
Why is it when someone replies to your argument you make it longer. Dude not only is it irritating have to read and reply but it just makes you look bad at arguing. Calling someone ignorant because they disagree makes no sense
Harry Potter shields can't be broken by force, they're broken by magic, which the Hecate children haven't shown much experience in.
And Hermione hasn't been able to do things that are comparable to Annabeth. I can't even go on about all Hermione has done since her inception into the Harry Potter universe. Don't overrated Annabeth. Her designs aren't decades ahead of her time, and her computer is strictly limited to architecture. Again you claim Hogwarts have no battle experience when they competed in the Battle of the Astronomy Tower, & The Battle of Hogwarts. So far the only battle the full camp has been in were against the Titans and that was with the gods helping them. Training in combat does not mean you're well versed in the art of war. You claim Hogwarts have no novices wile they have Harry, Hermione, Snape, Flitwick, Slughorn, Dumbledore, McGonagall, Lupin, etc.
3rd & 4th years are skilled and could learn the spells in a month especially if their life was on the line. And Harry in the series was shown to use 2 of the Unforgivable Curses. He used both the Imperious & Cruciatus curse in the 7th movie. They're both quick spells that can be easily used in melee combat where reflexes won't mean anything.
Celestial bronze might be useless.
Just because they're robotic. doesn't mean spells don't work on them. It's never been stated robots are immune to magic nor has it been shown everyone was killing monsters.
Robots would be destroyed by magic, (So would the Argo 11) CHB wouldn't be able to get ahold of Dragons & Hell-Hounds, Hogwarts have just as much giants and cyclopes. They may not be trained but still do damage. Dementors would easily solo Percy, Nico, Thalia, Clarisse, and Annabeth. There's no way to defend them but with a Patronus Charm which only Hogwarts know.
You keep using the dodging spell argument but fail to realize with a Camp as large as CHB and 7 years worth of students that there isn't going to be any space to pull off superhuman reflexes.
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