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#51 Edited by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@progenitor said:

" @Silver2467: When I bring up the Cable and Silver Surfer instance, i'm not saying Cable beat Surfer, i'm showing an instance, rightly shown as the very first post, that Cable had the ability to unleash the speed and power to smash the Silver Surfer's indestructible board, which is celestially based.  The fact that i've been stating here over and over is that even though I acknowledge the fact that the Martian Manhunter has a definite advantage, that does not mean he would win, just because he is physically stronger, or faster.  In comics, The Joker defeated The Hulk, Lex Luthor has defeated Superman, a random Skrull defeated The Sentry.  All of these examples should cue you in on a very important detail; you don't have to match your foe in ability to beat them.  Cable's taken his share of beatings, but he's also come out on top against a hell of a lot of stacked odds. 
 
I don't understand why you believe that Cable would absolutely never penetrate the Manhunters mind, if Manhunter himself has admitted that his weakness and fear of fire are mentally based? That should clue you in that he has a vulnerability that has been exploited before, numerous times.  Whereas Cable, a mutant who has been able to delve into The Hulk's mind, shield against the likes of Onslaught, a being with the TP powers of Xavier and X-Man.  To try and ignore Cable's TP abilities when the base of this battle is when Cable unleashes his full power and ability, a power comparable to a God, that's so powerful it starts to destroy his body from within, and you can sit there and with an honest face try and say that Manhunter just brushes that all aside? Normally, Manhunter would have the advantage over Cable, i've said this I don't know how many times, but not the Cable that's unleashed his full mutant potential.  Manhunter, even with his incredible speed and strength, would have to smash through a TK barrier just to get to Cable, and Cable would sure as hell see that coming.  If Cable is unleashing this desperation and actually unleashing his abilities, it pretty much is the equivalent of X-Man vs. Manhunter, because we all know by now that Cable is the Nathan Grey of his own reality.  Manhunter, with all the odds stacked against Cable, wouldn't, probably couldn't kill Manhunter, not with his regenerating abilities, but this is about who would win, and Cable could KO Manhunter briefly, it's been done plenty of times. "

Joker and Hulk? Don't use crossovers. Crossovers are noncanon, and they prove nothing. Lex has been able to defeat SuperMan because Supes has weaknesses, and Luthor has created weaponized armor to fight him. Sentry's power is really not as great as he's hyped up to be. Siege proved that. Again, how would Cable even know about the Martian's weakness to fire, assuming he even has that weakness in this fight? Cable WILL NOT PENETRATE HIS MIND. STOP PLAYING THAT CARD. IT WON"T WORK. The Martian has controlled the Joker's insane mind; he penetrated the mind of the Spectre; he read every single mind on the planet at once without a machine like Cerebro; he has read minds from as far away as the moon; he has numerous telepathic feats that you're ignoring. He could phase through a TK field you know. Cable also would not see him coming given the Martian's speed and invisibility. Really, explain the speed. Explain how Cable will simply get past that. You have never once addressed that. How? How will he stop the Martian in an invisible, intangible, super speed state that will slam Cable the instant the fight starts? Explain that to me. 
#52 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: You're either ignoring or not understanding a pretty logical point, you keep playing the intangibility card, he could phase through the TK barrier? As if Cable couldn't sense that? Then what? Obviously, if someone is staying intangible, they can't very well be tangibly attacking someone, can they? You're burning out that candle pretty fast.  As for the crossover mention, it doesn't have to be canon, it's the point i'm trying to make, that you're missing, The Sentry didn't get beaten by a Skrull because his powers suck, and believe me they don't suck, he was beaten because he was outsmarted.  So what, Manhunter just decides to float around intangibly and attack with telepathic bolts that Cable pretty much effortlessly blocks, and then randomly solidifies and flies around at the speed of light attacking Cable? Here's a thought, Cable can transport at will, so even whipping around at the speed of light, that makes it hard to focus on one object, doesn't it? Manhunter can move at the speed of light until the cows come home, Cable would just easily teleport away and keep track of him using the ability to sense his psiprint. 
 
Meanwhile, Cable is using his BFG to fire off VIPER BEAMS! Or, if you will, searing hot concussive beams moving faster than any speeding bullet and blasting the hell out of the Manhunter without even having to use any of his own powers.  So Manhunter goes intangible again? Okay, Cable stops firing and unleashes a psi-assault, which happens to sometimes manifest into psionic flame at will, so Cable doesn't even have to poke around in Manhunter's mind for Manhunter to suddenly feel overcome by.. a telepathically based.. psi-flame attack! Which! As proven time and time again, would put the fear of God in Manhunter.  So Manhunter overcomes that and whips around at the speed of light trying to hit Cable, becoming intangible to get through TK barriers, only for Cable to teleport from another angle, strategically, and attack Manhunter with yet another innovative assault, whether it be a telepathic bullet, which, apparently in your opinion, would do nothing or get phased through. 
 
If you really want to get fundamental here, your argument is based on if Manhunter can catch Cable.  Problem is, even with all of Manhunter's nifty powers, ironically, he can't penetrate Cable's mind, and therefore doesn't know what the hell Cable is going to throw at him, whether suddenly teleporting above him and delivering the same kind of attack he gave to Surfer's board right down on the Manhunter's head, who wouldn't even have the time to become intangible before he was hit, and would go crashing down into a crater in the arena and briefly immobilized, winning the fight just by proving he could take Manhunter down.  If your argument was completely sound, there wouldn't be people here that vouch for Cable, but there are, and you know why? Because in every mind, someone can come up with a scenario that can favor one or the other.  Fact is, Manhunter has been defeated before, will be defeated again, and in this would-be crossover? Could be defeated by Cable.  You were better off settling for the stalemate, because with Cable unleashing his full power and strategically sound tactical abilities, he would have the power to KO Manhunter.
#53 Posted by Terran (580 posts) - - Show Bio
@theicon said:
"stalemate"
#54 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio
@Terran : I'd easily settle on that.
#55 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@progenitor: You didn't deal with the invisible, intangible, speedbtliz. All you did was cry teleportation. Cable has to reappear somewhere. When he does, he'll get nailed. The Martian could attack Cable with his own energy attacks anyhow. You're not addressing the points I'm making. You're dancing around them. Even if Cable could sense the Martian when he's intangible, invisible, and moving at top speed, how could Cable get away? How? Teleport? To where? When he reappears. what will happen then? He'll get blitzed. How would Cable know of the Martian's weakness? You haven't answered that question. Address these first.
#56 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: I don't see how you're not getting the point, or reading what i'm saying.  He would counter the invisibility by either becoming invisible himself or avoiding him with a TK barrier while sensing his psiprint.  That pretty much sums up your invisibility argument, not only a barrier to get through, but having your opponent in turn become invisible? Pretty much crashes the invisible party.  Intangibility? I don't even see what you're getting at there, if you're intangible, all you're doing is floating there while obviously long-range assaults would be of no use, and Cable, not being a complete idiot, would realize this, and focus on psi-attacks until he became tangible, so that's your explanation for intangibility, waiting and strategizing for him to become tangible, because as long as he's intangible, he's not much to deal with, intangibility is a defensive technique, not an offensive technique.  Obviously.  Whining about being faster than light and whipping around like a DBZ villain is easily avoided if you simply teleport a distance away, sense his psi-print and the area which he is located, however brief, and simply stay out of range, it's as simple as that and it crushes your whirly-gig technique. 
 
Cable doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know to stay out of someone's range if they're crazily trying to hit you, that's pretty much common sense, fictional or not.  As stated before, it would take just one vulnerable moment of tangibility and distraction, maybe after teleporting, Cable tosses a flash grenade randomly as a distraction, in which Manhunter would be distracted, because as previously stated, Manhunter wouldn't be able to penetrate Cable's mind any way, so he's pretty much clueless at this point, so while Manhunter is just for that brief, tiny, vulnerable little moment tosses a gaze over to that grenade going off? Cable teleports above him, and whails on the top of his head with the same attack he used on Surfer's board, which would cause Manhunter to become a crater, and Cable to have the upper hand, which would be a victory.  Now that all of your scoffing of Manhunter's techniques have been squashed, I think it's safe to say that unless this was a fight to the very death that lasted as long as it had to unless one of them simply left, that Cable has more than enough capability in his arsenal and unleashed power to hold the Martian at bay, even with everything he has.
#57 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@progenitor said:
" @Silver2467: I don't see how you're not getting the point, or reading what i'm saying.  He would counter the invisibility by either becoming invisible himself or avoiding him with a TK barrier while sensing his psiprint.  That pretty much sums up your invisibility argument, not only a barrier to get through, but having your opponent in turn become invisible? Pretty much crashes the invisible party.  Intangibility? I don't even see what you're getting at there, if you're intangible, all you're doing is floating there while obviously long-range assaults would be of no use, and Cable, not being a complete idiot, would realize this, and focus on psi-attacks until he became tangible, so that's your explanation for intangibility, waiting and strategizing for him to become tangible, because as long as he's intangible, he's not much to deal with, intangibility is a defensive technique, not an offensive technique.  Obviously.  Whining about being faster than light and whipping around like a DBZ villain is easily avoided if you simply teleport a distance away, sense his psi-print and the area which he is located, however brief, and simply stay out of range, it's as simple as that and it crushes your whirly-gig technique.  Cable doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know to stay out of someone's range if they're crazily trying to hit you, that's pretty much common sense, fictional or not.  As stated before, it would take just one vulnerable moment of tangibility and distraction, maybe after teleporting, Cable tosses a flash grenade randomly as a distraction, in which Manhunter would be distracted, because as previously stated, Manhunter wouldn't be able to penetrate Cable's mind any way, so he's pretty much clueless at this point, so while Manhunter is just for that brief, tiny, vulnerable little moment tosses a gaze over to that grenade going off? Cable teleports above him, and whails on the top of his head with the same attack he used on Surfer's board, which would cause Manhunter to become a crater, and Cable to have the upper hand, which would be a victory.  Now that all of your scoffing of Manhunter's techniques have been squashed, I think it's safe to say that unless this was a fight to the very death that lasted as long as it had to unless one of them simply left, that Cable has more than enough capability in his arsenal and unleashed power to hold the Martian at bay, even with everything he has. "
You really expect a flash grenade to phase the Martian? Really? Is that a real argument? And what is up with the Martian not being able to tell Cable's moves? Cable won't be able to tell the Martian's moves either. So what? Cable can't react to someone of the Martian's speed. Teleporter or not, if you can't even perform that fast enough to avoid being completely slaughtered, what's the point of even making that statement? They can't read each other's minds or affect each other mentally in any form. So, they'll have to react to each other's techniques. Guess who has the greater speed and reaction time. The Martian. Cable has no enhanced reaction times. It doesn't matter what he can sense by "psi patters" if he can't react to it. What makes you so sure that Cable can just brush off the Martian's energy attacks? You keep spewing about how Cable has all these incredibly powerful projectile powers without addressing the Martian's. Explain how Cable can even react to anything the Martian can do. Explain that. All of your arguments are useless if Cable can't deal with the Martian's speed and intangibility, which can allow him to phase through Cable's field. 
#58 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: Thing is, if, theoretically, if Cable were to toss one of a few grenades--a flash grenade, it wouldn't be meant to phase Manhunter, what comes after will.  I don't doubt the danger of Manhunter's projectiles, I know they're a force to be reckoned with, but Cable isn't exactly going to be standing around to get hit by them, he doesn't need the speed of light to roll out of the way or dodge.  Cable, being more experienced in guerilla tactics, would have the upper-hand on Manhunter when it comes to, as you put it, "reading each other's moves." 
 
In my opinion, chance would favor Cable much more highly if he attempted, and successfully ended the fight quickly, whether it's teleporting behind him at a vulnerable moment and smashing down on him with his augmented psionic and physical strength, or defending an attack with a psionic flame which would, in turn, spook Manhunter.  I think that a big asset Cable has going for him is experience, he was born and raised in wartime.  I don't doubt that Manhunter has his own share of experience and skill, but of all the advantages Manhunter has, Cable's one-upped him on that.  Looking at Manhunter, it's pretty obvious that he's not a local, so Cable would be momentarily cautious in what to expect from the Manhunter, but at the same time, he's a man of action.  In releasing his full potential, he's just on another level.  Manhunter would have the advantage to get up close with his intangibility, but I just don't honestly think that Cable would make himself a sitting duck, not without a trap in mind.  Manhunter would have to take everything Cable has and more before he could come out the victor with Cable beaten and burned out, but I believe Cable could knock him out, and win.   
  
As for Martian's speed, it would keep Cable at a disadvantage, but Cable would still have protection and awareness of Manhunter's location.  It would be like fighting Quicksilver, and to my knowledge, Cable's never sweated Pietro.  I believe that Manhunter would just continue to go for a direct approach in the fight, whereas Cable would attempt to keep distance, using his teleportation, until deciding to launch an attack and strike.  Cable has taken down powerful foes, frighteningly powerful, and he's taken on fast opponents as well, not as much as those strong, but still.  Weapons dealing with a full stream of blazing hot concussive force, such as the BFG, would be utilized and used, and with how much Manhunter would have to become intangible and use his speed, Cable would most likely pick that up quick.  You say Manhunter needs one hit, while obviously, when unleashed, Cable only needs one hit.
#59 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyway, good debating, and awesome thread.  Love Cable, but it would be a good match.  I say stalemate.
#60 Posted by xan84 (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

How can it be a stalemate when in 30 seconds there is nothing Cable can do to MM ?  
MM can just hide for 30 seconds and then 1 shoot him.
#61 Posted by Fortanono (4889 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter.

#62 Posted by Jayimfamous (64 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no way the Martian wins this one. What people fail to realize is cable is as smart as Reed Richards, and he is on par with professor x when it comes to being a telepath and is one of the best when it comes to psychic power. He is a master strategist that only can be rivaled by few. I believe even with a all out blitz cable still will be able to handle the Martian, and cable weapons are far superior to weaponry that manhunter has come against. Psychically Martian doesn't compares with cable, we are talking about a man that was holding his ship up with his psychic power and still giving silver surfer a match. I believe that If he did go all out on the surfer that he may have won. What can manhunts possibly do to that cable hasn't seen from the likes of sinister, hulk, bishop, surfer, magneto, apocalypse, or onslaught. I just don't see it and the names I just gave you are people that pretty much have manhunters abilities and they all were beat or have come to a draw against cable.

#63 Posted by xxxddd (3572 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

Cable wins pretty easily.
#64 Posted by comic_book_fan (5647 posts) - - Show Bio

cable wins he is smarter more skilled just can hold his own in telepathy to take down mm.

#65 Posted by robertloucksjr (1748 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: Ya and Cable was holding up an island at the time of the fight.

People tend to forget that. It was a pretty big island too.

#66 Edited by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

MM.

#67 Posted by comic_book_fan (5647 posts) - - Show Bio
#68 Posted by Raw_Material (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter wins.

#69 Edited by comic_book_fan (5647 posts) - - Show Bio
#70 Posted by Raw_Material (3212 posts) - - Show Bio
#71 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@prince_of_saiyans said:
@ssejllenrad: Ya and Cable was holding up an island at the time of the fight.

People tend to forget that. It was a pretty big island too.

I think this was addressed some two years ago. Big island is good and all but a third of the earth's mass being pulled out of orbit is leagues above it. And if one can argue that that isn't canon anymore, think about this, current MM stalemated a JLA team that involved current Superman who can benchpress the weight of the earth.

#72 Posted by HyperViper97 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable wins with the infinite loops of AHVB. Injustice is the only decent dc fighting game and MM isn't even in it

#73 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio
#74 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does everyone say MM helped move a planet with WW and superman when they didn't even do it? Kyle did it.

#75 Posted by comic_book_fan (5647 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: but mmh was not fighting the silversurfer at the same time.

#76 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does everyone say MM helped move a planet with WW and superman when they didn't even do it? Kyle did it.

Last time I checked, Kyle didn't look like a green martian.

You might be thinking of this revisioning of a silver age arc.. That's not even Kyle. That's Hal.


#77 Posted by CampodelViolin (168 posts) - - Show Bio

A bloodlusted MMH is this...



So yeah, he should win this.

#78 Posted by Geistmesser (20 posts) - - Show Bio

After reading this entire thread, this is what I got from the two actually debating:

Silver: No, Cable can't do this and Cable can't do that. It's impossible. Martian Manhunter wins!

Progenitor: Cable can do many things, some may hit, some may miss.

I tend not to agree with people claim one character can't do something to another character, but the latter can do anything to the former.

In this case, Cable can do a hell of a lot to Martian Manhunter. Cable wins.

#79 Posted by Geistmesser (20 posts) - - Show Bio

@prince_of_saiyans said:
@ssejllenrad: Ya and Cable was holding up an island at the time of the fight.

People tend to forget that. It was a pretty big island too.

People also tend to forget that at the same time of holding the island up AND fighting against Surfer, both Cable and Surfer were rebuilding a city they continuously demolished as they fought.

#80 Edited by Saren (25677 posts) - - Show Bio

If by "fought", you mean "annoyed Surfer for a while until he one-shotted Cable with ease", sure...........

J'onn punches his head off before he can blink.

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#81 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn should win.

#82 Edited by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone please post a scan of who really moved the planet please,,I can't post scans but its getting very annoying when people say its was these three when Kyle rayner was the one who showed up and did it.

#83 Edited by HereComesTheBoom_Headshot (321 posts) - - Show Bio

@bane_of_sith said:

Someone please post a scan of who really moved the planet please,,I can't post scans but its getting very annoying when people say its was these three when Kyle rayner was the one who showed up and did it.

It was already posted. The image is of Green Lantern and Superman (the first time, Superman received help from Green Lantern). Then the more recent one is of Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman.

#84 Posted by comic_book_fan (5647 posts) - - Show Bio

because surfer beat him means he can't beat manhunter last i checked surfer could do the same to manhunter.

#85 Posted by dondave (37445 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter

#86 Edited by HyperViper97 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

@sharkbearagator: I wish ;(. Lobo, scorpion, Zod, Batgirl is all thats coming in the near future

#87 Posted by ComicStooge (12849 posts) - - Show Bio

because surfer beat him means he can't beat manhunter last i checked surfer could do the same to manhunter.

He could, but not as easily.

Regardless, MM wins.

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#88 Posted by comic_book_fan (5647 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

pretty much just as easily and I assume cable would have faired a little better then he did if he wasn't holding up the island and occupied by other things make no mistake about it surfer would own both easily especially if he got mad.

#89 Edited by ComicStooge (12849 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

pretty much just as easily and I assume cable would have faired a little better then he did if he wasn't holding up the island and occupied by other things make no mistake about it surfer would own both easily especially if he got mad.

This isn't about Silver Surfer, regardless.

MM blitzes him.

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#90 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio
#91 Posted by comic_book_fan (5647 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

how surfer didn't and he is faster than mm and cable was distracted and the blitz isn't really his style even if he could.

#92 Edited by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable stuffs him into one of his many pouches.

#93 Posted by ComicStooge (12849 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

how surfer didn't and he is faster than mm and cable was distracted and the blitz isn't really his style even if he could.

MM is bloodlusted, meaning he will in fact blitz him.

Surfer didn't because he wasn't trying all that hard. Being a pacifist at heart, he tends to hold back.

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#95 Posted by ComanderMurf (136 posts) - - Show Bio

manhunter goes intangible and snatches vables heart out at speeds tgat cable could not comprehend

#96 Posted by utkanflash (441 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable oone of the greatest challange for his rivals... But MM to much for him ı think
Faster
Stronger
Smarter
Most Skilled
More Usefull Power House


#97 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable's TP > Xavier's > Martian's. And I don't see why Martian should use any other power than TP from the start, even in bloodlust.

#98 Edited by Raiden_ (235 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight at Cell Games

Blood Lust on

Its this Cable:

IS THAT SS O.O did cable just smacked Silver Surfer O.O

#99 Posted by sheryinistoosexy (722 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: Honestly, why do you always side with DC characters?

#100 Posted by Deadpo0l (342 posts) - - Show Bio

cable ol buddy