Team Kick Ass and MCU vs Team Arrow and Batman

Black Widow (MCU), Hit Girl (Kick Ass 2) and Big Daddy (Kick Ass)

Black Widow's Equipment:

• Pair of Glock 26s
• Widow's Bite
• Taser disks
• Flashbangs
• Garrote
• Daggers
• Pepper spray

Hit-Girl's Equipment:

• Kelvar bulletproof vest
• Pair of Glock 23s with silencers and strobe attachments
• Night vision goggles
• Double Sided Bladed Staff
• Rope Knife
• Nun-Chuck
• Butterfly knives, throwing knives, and throwing stars
• Grappling Hook
• SIC Stick
• Brass knuckles
• Last Resort

Big Daddy's Equipment:

• Standard armor
• Shotgun
• Sniper Rifle
• Standard pistol
• Combat knives
• Several hand grenades
• Smoke bomb
• Flash Bang Grenades

vs

Green Arrow (CW), Black Canary (CW) and Batman (TDK)

Green Arrow's Equipment:

• Bow
• Assortment or normal and trick arrows
• Flechettes

Black Canary's Equipment:

• Handgun
• Expandable Batons
• Sonic device
• Dagger

Batman's Equipment:

• Standard armor (from TDK)
• Blades on his wrists
• Grappling gun
• Smoke pellets
• Batarang
• Standard explosives

Round 1:

Location: Warehouse with lighting

Rules:

• They start 80 feet away.
• No Prep
• Everyone is Morals off
• Win by Death

Round 2:

Location: Dark warehouse

Rules:

• They start 50 feet away.
• No prep
• Everyone is Morals off
• Win by Death

Round 3:

Location: Building

Rules:

• No Prep
• Everyone is Morals off
• Win by Death

Round 4:

Location: Empty room

Rules:

• They start 15 feet away
• Nobody has Firearms or bow
• No prep
• Everyone is Morals off
• Win by Death

Round 5:

Location: Casino

Rules:

• They start 20 feet away.
• No Prep
• H2H only [nobody has weapons but Hit Girl has adrenaline]
• Everyone is Morals off
• Win by Death

Who wins?

@lukehero@nerdchore@allstarsuperman@lukas12@detrolord@rogueshadow@themongoose@tparks@terry2012: What do you guys think?

I'm gonna give advantage to arrow and batman team for most rounds except the adrenaline h2h round could probably go to kickass mcu

arrow morals off and canary morals off will be the mvps here sonic device and arrows in the head will grant them wins.

Remove Bane and Mother Russia (because they were very out of place) and so to modify the moral in some rounds (to make it more varied). I do not think that changes much. What do you think now?

@dark-nihilus:

Round 1: Clear line of sight, guns are the MVP, arrows can be dodged. Kick Ass MCU 7/10

Round 2: Stealth is MVP, and darkness favors Arrow/Batman by a mile. A&B 8/10

Round 3: Building even during the day time allows for at least some stealth...Team Arrow/Batman 7/10

Round 4: They kill each other...stalemate. No guns or arrows...but Big Daddy has hand grenades and Bats has explosives and they are in a closed off room. They most likely blow each other to kingdom come.

Round 5: Arrow/Batman team stomps. Arrow or BC can beat anyone on MCU/Kickass Team, yeah even Mother Russia. Arrow & BC have by far the most showings & the most skill.

@lukehero: Remove Bane and Mother Russia (because they were very out of place)

@dark-nihilus: Doesn't change anything, they canceled each other out.

Arrow and batman.

Not change the moral

Pretty much this

@nerdchore: Sonic device does not work in round 1

hit girls goggles wont do enough and black widow doesnt have any stealth showings.

well arrow and canary have the earplugs already for the sonic device and if she is morals off she will use it, bats most likely has something to protect from that, so bats team wins easy.

OP not said to have earplugs and Batman has nothing against to sonic device.

• Batman's stealth does not work against Hit-Girl.
• We did get to see her sort of just sneak up on people in the movie. Once was when she entered the prison chamber Loki was being held in, and he even commented on her 'skill'. Later on when Fury mentions where Clint is headed she responds and goes after him. She then sneaks up on Hawk and it is not until that she is right up on him that he stops and turns around to start fighting her. We also see her ducking, diving, and hiding from the Hulk earlier in that sequence. And also against Winter Soldier.

1. Team MCU and Kick Ass

2. Team Arrow (not sure)

3. Team MCU and Kick Ass

4. Team MCU and Kick Ass

5. Team MCU and Kick Ass

Team 1 in any round with guns.

why doesnt batman's stealth work against hitgirl? hes a master at sneaking up on people, we only saw hitgirl use her gogles cause the lights went out. arrow is also shown more stealth that both of them.

the scene with loki is vague unless he specifically references her stealth abilities. i dont really see her finding hawekeye and then walking up behind him stealth, she was going to hunt him down if she wanted a stealth attack she wouldnt have waited for him to attack. she was surviving from hulk not practicing stealth and also hulk snuck up on here, so thats not really a credit to her ability. she didnt sneak up on WS per say she set a trap, but its the closest thing she has to hiding and then attacking. shes sorely outclassed by arrow and bats who do it regularly and with better skill.

Are you saying that they have super ears?... Or alone will affecting the Fodder?... Police are fodder, knocking them down doesn't mean anything in my opinion. Ollie winces in pain from it when the two meet again, I thought she just kind of grimaced yelled a bit and carried on... Why didn't it effect Laurel? SWAT are fodder in my opinion and they weren't even fully out of it... that is why the canary cry was made, as a distraction (and it is not much help). It's not a killing weapon and it doesn't hurt that much. Besides, they will not let that she use the device.

• Here it is explained: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/hit-girl-vs-batman-movie-versions-1597605/#116
• Black Widow is also a skilled spy. She at least showed enough skill to avoid falling into stealth.

What about the rest of the rounds? :)

All the rounds with wide open areas and firearms are allowed, Team 1 should win the majority.

Rounds with cover/stealth, Team 2 should take the majority.

Round 1: Kickass and MCU

Round 2: 60-40 both have chances but Team Bats have higher chance

Round 3: Same as above but higher chances Batman and Green Arrow's gears here should come in handy

Round 4: Kickass and MCU

Round 5: Kickass and MCU

I do not you understand well. The point is that the device does not help much, cause only a minor annoyance. Fodder only affected him and it was only a small distraction. Apart no way, the three will be very close between them, so that BC can use the device to all three together. Batman has no defense against the device and and he need to approach to be useful. Also you, overestimate too much at sonic device.

In Round 1, How come can approach and use without getting shot in the face?

In Round 2 and 3, I do not see how you can be of great help.

In Round 4, all are very close, for her to use (Arrow and BC are not invulnerable to the device). And the device does not cause much trouble.

In Round 5, she does not have the device.

You are underestimating to Black Widow. I agree that stealth of Black Widow is lower than Batman and Arrow but the point is that she showed enough ability to defend against stealth. And stealth of Batman is higher than Arrow. Hit-Girl can defend themselves against stealth of Batman (that is the greatest threat). Big-Daddy showed some stealth (less that Arrow and Batman, but sure that he can defend themselves against BC).

@lukehero: Hit-Girl (with adrenaline) >>> Mother Russia

@lukas12: Meh, the adrenaline wore off pretty quickly. Gives her an edge for 2 mins or so and fades.

When did Black Widow defend herself against stealth? Batman Begins showed stealth and anti stealth training. Arrow also has shown being able to defend against stealth opponents. If IIRC so did BC as well.

Team 2 with ease

@lukehero: Arrow >>> Batman >> Black Canary (what has BC done to demonstrate she's more skilled than Batman?).

There is also the animated movie Gotham Knight, which is set between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (is a tie-in). In that film, Nolan Batman dodged multiple gunfire from Deadshot (legitimate bullet-timing, not aim-dodging).

@frozen: You know, people forget that Cartoon movie is cannon to the Nolan series. Thanks for the reminder.

@lukas12: first off you are making some assumptions here. I never said the sonic device would kill anyone. I said morals canary would use it and the distraction is enough for arrow to put an arrow in the other team.

second im not underestimating black widow at all, You arent providing any proof shes good at stealth or responds to it. in fact in the avengers, she gets snuck up on by the hulk of all people.

hit girl hasnt shown the ability to respond to people with superior stealth skills so thats not a question.

@lukehero: Proof of the duration?... only because she kill fast to Mother Russia does not mean it is short...

While the rest of the team are doing nothing?... The team Kick-Ass have better speed and reaction. Not going to be easy for BC launch the device and Arrow shoot without worrying about being shot in the face.

I have to go back to see the scene of Black Widow, meanwhile I'll take his word...

Hit-Girl may counteract stealth of Batman with night vision goggles. You are not giving evidence. "http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/hit-girl-vs-batman-movie-versions-1597605/?page=1"

@lukas12: she used them once. And only cause lights got turned out. Arrow morals off has better reaction and speed feats.

@lukas12: Umm, besides the fact that she slowed down? Also real world adrenaline only gives a temporary boost, even if we went by the most ridiculous movie logic. You can google the medical info yourself. The effects are very much temporary, it's only gonna be a few mins.

@lukas12: The Kick Ass team do not have better reactions. Arrow has dodged bullets in his comic series, alternatively Batman bullet-timed in Gotham Knight.

@lukehero: Real-world logic does not make sense here. Anyway, sure she could beat to one even with that limited time.

@frozen: If these feats are allowed (not think that's the point of the thread), I agree.

@lukas12: Ummm, so you're going to ignore the movie and logic. I'm not even going pure real world logic mate. In the real,world adrenaline doesn't boost your speed or strenght, it just boost your engery and helps with allergies and heart problems. Arrow or Batman would kick her butt anyway. As someone pointed out Batman has Gotham Knight and Arrow has his comic series. Why wouldn't those feats be allowed, they are cannon.