round one buffy pleases each character into submission. round 2 buffy seduces all the characters into an orgy. buffy wins
Round 1: I can see her beating Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hit Girl, and Big Daddy, and Batman (because it's Movie Batman). Cap will give her more trouble though...based on feats he's a lot closer to her physical level than the rest.
Round 2: She gets creamed.
BTW, If you're going to give someone prep in a fight...you should really specify exactly how much prep time you are giving them. Just saying "has prep" is pretty meaningless
not all are marvel and they're all mismatches...she clears it easily
Buffy clears this easily
@SWAGcity: Order of this gauntlet is messed up - why Buffy fight Cap before she confront other less powerful combatants? And some of those are not Marvel characters. My gauntlet would look like that:
Round 1 Punisher (Thomas Jane version, I didn't saw other versions)
Round 2 Hawkeye
Round 3 Black Widow
Round 4 Bullseye
Round 5 Kingpin
Round 6 Electra
Round 7 Daredevil
Round 8 Wolverine
Round 9 Cap America
Round 10 Blade
But this current gauntlet? She clears it with relative ease. Only Cap could couse her trouble. It's even possible that she win round 2 thanks to some plot device - like she did many times in TV series. Anyhow Joss Wheadon about Buffy vs. Black Widow: :)
"Buffy would go easy at first, but awould look like thats soon as Natasha popped her with a Widow Sting, she'd start bringing some slayer brawn to the fray. Natasha's fast, but a couple of good connects and she's wobbling, possibly something broken -- she whips out her glock and now Buffy's dodging -- right where Natasha wants her. Natasha shoots the cable holding the steel barrels and they tumble onto Buffy, nearly burying her -- Buffy just arcs out of the way, grabbing the splintered cable and swinging directly onto Natasha, a bullet grazing her cheek as her feet land hard on the Russian's shoulders, sending her back flat -- crack! -- on the floor, Buffy wrenching the gun away and tossing it, fist ready for the final strike. Natasha, struggling to stay conscious, says the fight's over. Buffy agrees, but Natasha explains: She poisoned Buffy hours ago. That waitress that brought her salad …? Natasha smiles. The poison is dormant -- 'til it's activated by adrenaline. Buffy's eyes narrow. "Too bad I didn't use any." Wham! Natasha's out for the count, and Buffy's heading -- slowly -- to Willow for a mystical cleanse. That'd be my first guess."
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2012/04/joss-whedon-runs-us-through-buffy-vs.html
@SWAGcity said:
so hot mmmmm vs Captain america black widow batman hawkeye hit girl bigdaddy round 1- gauntlet style; everbody has regular equpiment; buffy healed after each round round 2- all at once; buffy has prep
What feats does Buffy have? I never saw the series. So I can't answer the gauntlet round, but I doubt she clears round 2.
@Picard said:
@SWAGcity: Order of this gauntlet is messed up - why Buffy fight Cap before she confront other less powerful combatants? And some of those are not Marvel characters. My gauntlet would look like that:
Round 1 Punisher (Thomas Jane version, I didn't saw other versions)
Round 2 Hawkeye
Round 3 Black Widow
Round 4 Bullseye
Round 5 Kingpin
Round 6 Electra
Round 7 Daredevil
Round 8 Wolverine
Round 9 Cap America
Round 10 Blade
But this current gauntlet? She clears it with relative ease. Only Cap could couse her trouble. It's even possible that she win round 2 thanks to some plot device - like she did many times in TV series. Anyhow Joss Wheadon about Buffy vs. Black Widow: :)
"Buffy would go easy at first, but awould look like thats soon as Natasha popped her with a Widow Sting, she'd start bringing some slayer brawn to the fray. Natasha's fast, but a couple of good connects and she's wobbling, possibly something broken -- she whips out her glock and now Buffy's dodging -- right where Natasha wants her. Natasha shoots the cable holding the steel barrels and they tumble onto Buffy, nearly burying her -- Buffy just arcs out of the way, grabbing the splintered cable and swinging directly onto Natasha, a bullet grazing her cheek as her feet land hard on the Russian's shoulders, sending her back flat -- crack! -- on the floor, Buffy wrenching the gun away and tossing it, fist ready for the final strike. Natasha, struggling to stay conscious, says the fight's over. Buffy agrees, but Natasha explains: She poisoned Buffy hours ago. That waitress that brought her salad …? Natasha smiles. The poison is dormant -- 'til it's activated by adrenaline. Buffy's eyes narrow. "Too bad I didn't use any." Wham! Natasha's out for the count, and Buffy's heading -- slowly -- to Willow for a mystical cleanse. That'd be my first guess."
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2012/04/joss-whedon-runs-us-through-buffy-vs.html
Why is Elecktra after Bullseye, who killed her?
Anyway in this gauntlet she would stop at Wolverine.
@Moonchilde said:
@Picard said:
@SWAGcity: Order of this gauntlet is messed up - why Buffy fight Cap before she confront other less powerful combatants? And some of those are not Marvel characters. My gauntlet would look like that:
Round 1 Punisher (Thomas Jane version, I didn't saw other versions)
Round 2 Hawkeye
Round 3 Black Widow
Round 4 Bullseye
Round 5 Kingpin
Round 6 Electra
Round 7 Daredevil
Round 8 Wolverine
Round 9 Cap America
Round 10 Blade
But this current gauntlet? She clears it with relative ease. Only Cap could couse her trouble. It's even possible that she win round 2 thanks to some plot device - like she did many times in TV series. Anyhow Joss Wheadon about Buffy vs. Black Widow: :)
"Buffy would go easy at first, but awould look like thats soon as Natasha popped her with a Widow Sting, she'd start bringing some slayer brawn to the fray. Natasha's fast, but a couple of good connects and she's wobbling, possibly something broken -- she whips out her glock and now Buffy's dodging -- right where Natasha wants her. Natasha shoots the cable holding the steel barrels and they tumble onto Buffy, nearly burying her -- Buffy just arcs out of the way, grabbing the splintered cable and swinging directly onto Natasha, a bullet grazing her cheek as her feet land hard on the Russian's shoulders, sending her back flat -- crack! -- on the floor, Buffy wrenching the gun away and tossing it, fist ready for the final strike. Natasha, struggling to stay conscious, says the fight's over. Buffy agrees, but Natasha explains: She poisoned Buffy hours ago. That waitress that brought her salad …? Natasha smiles. The poison is dormant -- 'til it's activated by adrenaline. Buffy's eyes narrow. "Too bad I didn't use any." Wham! Natasha's out for the count, and Buffy's heading -- slowly -- to Willow for a mystical cleanse. That'd be my first guess."
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2012/04/joss-whedon-runs-us-through-buffy-vs.html
Why is Elecktra after Bullseye, who killed her?
Anyway in this gauntlet she would stop at Wolverine.
Well, movie Wolverine is not that impressive. Aside of claws, healing factor, and tuned senses he wasn't so good. I don't think that he had any amount of super strength, and he pretty much sucks as a fighter - Mystique was kicking his butt with her kung-fu, doing backflip kicks etc. Very similar to fighting technique used by Buffy. And yes, you are right Bullseye should be higher than Electra.
@tg1982: I think they somewhat overestimate Slayers - I don't think that they really have 4 tone strenght, but other than that, here you have info quite good info about Slayerverse:
http://www.comicvine.com/buffy/29-20096/buffyverse-respect-thread/92-646462/
@tg1982 said:
@SWAGcity said:
so hot mmmmm vs Captain america black widow batman hawkeye hit girl bigdaddy round 1- gauntlet style; everbody has regular equpiment; buffy healed after each round round 2- all at once; buffy has prepWhat feats does Buffy have? I never saw the series. So I can't answer the gauntlet round, but I doubt she clears round 2.
Fighting experience from every slayer who has ever existed dating back to 2700BC. Above 2 ton strength. Can run at least 70 mph. Enhanced reflexes and agility. Taken blows from beings who are at the very least 10 ton range. Taken out Gods, witches, Knights, Military, Assassins, And dominated vampires who have better feats than everyone on this list combined. Basically..anyone who doesn't think she clears this :
A. doesn't know the character
B. A troll
C. Both
@80sBaby said:
Round 1: Buffy doesn't get past Cap. Round 2: Is SPITE.
@Job said:
@tg1982 said:
@SWAGcity said:
so hot mmmmm vs Captain america black widow batman hawkeye hit girl bigdaddy round 1- gauntlet style; everbody has regular equpiment; buffy healed after each round round 2- all at once; buffy has prepWhat feats does Buffy have? I never saw the series. So I can't answer the gauntlet round, but I doubt she clears round 2.
Fighting experience from every slayer who has ever existed dating back to 2700BC. Above 2 ton strength. Can run at least 70 mph. Enhanced reflexes and agility. Taken blows from beings who are at the very least 10 ton range. Taken out Gods, witches, Knights, Military, Assassins, And dominated vampires who have better feats than everyone on this list combined. Basically..anyone who doesn't think she clears this :
A. doesn't know the character
B. A troll
C. Both
I call bull
Depending on what prep she has, she could easily be murdered. Standard gear for her opponents + all at once = a very possible losing scenario.
Even Joss Whedon didn't make it easy for her to flat-out beat Black Widow.....
Just saying
Arguments can be made to support her defeat
@White Mage said:
@Job said:
@tg1982 said:
@SWAGcity said:
so hot mmmmm vs Captain america black widow batman hawkeye hit girl bigdaddy round 1- gauntlet style; everbody has regular equpiment; buffy healed after each round round 2- all at once; buffy has prepWhat feats does Buffy have? I never saw the series. So I can't answer the gauntlet round, but I doubt she clears round 2.
Fighting experience from every slayer who has ever existed dating back to 2700BC. Above 2 ton strength. Can run at least 70 mph. Enhanced reflexes and agility. Taken blows from beings who are at the very least 10 ton range. Taken out Gods, witches, Knights, Military, Assassins, And dominated vampires who have better feats than everyone on this list combined. Basically..anyone who doesn't think she clears this :
A. doesn't know the character
B. A troll
C. Both
I call bull
Depending on what prep she has, she could easily be murdered. Standard gear for her opponents + all at once = a very possible losing scenario.
Even Joss Whedon didn't make it easy for her to flat-out beat Black Widow.....
Just saying
Arguments can be made to support her defeat
I would sit here and type out exactly what i think your opinion on buffy's feats is worth,
Standard gear for her enemies is a shield, which she can dodge or disarm, two pistols (dodged gun shots from multiple angles, from dozens of men) and arrows (which she has caught with her back turned). Swords, Knives, grenades and rocket launchers..all dodged blocked or disarmed. Joss whedon gave buffy the fighting ability of thousands of warriors, centuries of experience and tactician skills, and the strength to decapitate a person with a kick or a punch. The speed to run down cars, and the senses to fight blind, and the durability to take 10 ton punches. But sure..she totally cant take down a highly trained government agent with two pistols. I'm sure the highly trained initiative soldiers thought that too.
@Job said:
@White Mage said:
@Job said:
@tg1982 said:
@SWAGcity said:
so hot mmmmm vs Captain america black widow batman hawkeye hit girl bigdaddy round 1- gauntlet style; everbody has regular equpiment; buffy healed after each round round 2- all at once; buffy has prepWhat feats does Buffy have? I never saw the series. So I can't answer the gauntlet round, but I doubt she clears round 2.
Fighting experience from every slayer who has ever existed dating back to 2700BC. Above 2 ton strength. Can run at least 70 mph. Enhanced reflexes and agility. Taken blows from beings who are at the very least 10 ton range. Taken out Gods, witches, Knights, Military, Assassins, And dominated vampires who have better feats than everyone on this list combined. Basically..anyone who doesn't think she clears this :
A. doesn't know the character
B. A troll
C. Both
I call bull
Depending on what prep she has, she could easily be murdered. Standard gear for her opponents + all at once = a very possible losing scenario.
Even Joss Whedon didn't make it easy for her to flat-out beat Black Widow.....
Just saying
Arguments can be made to support her defeat
I would sit here and type out exactly what i think your opinion on buffy's feats is worth,
Standard gear for her enemies is a shield, which she can dodge or disarm, two pistols (dodged gun shots from multiple angles, from dozens of men) and arrows (which she has caught with her back turned). Swords, Knives, grenades and rocket launchers..all dodged blocked or disarmed. Joss whedon gave buffy the fighting ability of thousands of warriors, centuries of experience and tactician skills, and the strength to decapitate a person with a kick or a punch. The speed to run down cars, and the senses to fight blind, and the durability to take 10 ton punches. But sure..she totally cant take down a highly trained government agent with two pistols. I'm sure the highly trained initiative soldiers thought that too.
He also made her struggle with fights against standard vampires, and fights against Spike, and a fight against Angel. She's also had trouble with demons who weren't exactly in GLORY'S league. So, yes, an argument supporting her defeat would NOT necessarily be one of the arguments that you listed, simply because they are not impossible scenarios. And Buffy isn't the only slayer who has had problems fighting creatures who could match her blow for blow, or creatures who swarmed her. Fighting all of these skilled warriors at once COULD be a negative for her. Just because someone's opinion isn't the same as yours, doesn't mean that it doesn't hold water......just saying
I already explained to you what PIS is in the last thread i had to endure with you. I'm not going to explain it again. Nor am i going to waste my time listing all of the Numerous strength speed, and durability feats that are for more prevalent than obvious PIS you choose to focus all your efforts on in every buffy thread you latch yourself to. Buffy stomps..she clears the list. If you think otherwise....create an argument for the characters involved that doesnt involve you low balling.@Job said:
@White Mage said:
@Job said:
@tg1982 said:
@SWAGcity said:
so hot mmmmm vs Captain america black widow batman hawkeye hit girl bigdaddy round 1- gauntlet style; everbody has regular equpiment; buffy healed after each round round 2- all at once; buffy has prep
What feats does Buffy have? I never saw the series. So I can't answer the gauntlet round, but I doubt she clears round 2.
Fighting experience from every slayer who has ever existed dating back to 2700BC. Above 2 ton strength. Can run at least 70 mph. Enhanced reflexes and agility. Taken blows from beings who are at the very least 10 ton range. Taken out Gods, witches, Knights, Military, Assassins, And dominated vampires who have better feats than everyone on this list combined. Basically..anyone who doesn't think she clears this :
A. doesn't know the character
B. A troll
C. Both
I call bull
Depending on what prep she has, she could easily be murdered. Standard gear for her opponents + all at once = a very possible losing scenario.
Even Joss Whedon didn't make it easy for her to flat-out beat Black Widow.....
Just saying
Arguments can be made to support her defeat
I would sit here and type out exactly what i think your opinion on buffy's feats is worth,
Standard gear for her enemies is a shield, which she can dodge or disarm, two pistols (dodged gun shots from multiple angles, from dozens of men) and arrows (which she has caught with her back turned). Swords, Knives, grenades and rocket launchers..all dodged blocked or disarmed. Joss whedon gave buffy the fighting ability of thousands of warriors, centuries of experience and tactician skills, and the strength to decapitate a person with a kick or a punch. The speed to run down cars, and the senses to fight blind, and the durability to take 10 ton punches. But sure..she totally cant take down a highly trained government agent with two pistols. I'm sure the highly trained initiative soldiers thought that too.
He also made her struggle with fights against standard vampires, and fights against Spike, and a fight against Angel. She's also had trouble with demons who weren't exactly in GLORY'S league. So, yes, an argument supporting her defeat would NOT necessarily be one of the arguments that you listed, simply because they are not impossible scenarios. And Buffy isn't the only slayer who has had problems fighting creatures who could match her blow for blow, or creatures who swarmed her. Fighting all of these skilled warriors at once COULD be a negative for her. Just because someone's opinion isn't the same as yours, doesn't mean that it doesn't hold water......just saying
@Job said:
@White Mage said:I already explained to you what PIS is in the last thread i had to endure with you. I'm not going to explain it again. Nor am i going to waste my time listing all of the Numerous strength speed, and durability feats that are for more prevalent than obvious PIS you choose to focus all your efforts on in every buffy thread you latch yourself to. Buffy stomps..she clears the list. If you think otherwise....create an argument for the characters involved that doesnt involve you lowballing. Either way...we're done.@Job said:
@White Mage said:
@Job said:
@tg1982 said:
@SWAGcity said:
so hot mmmmm vs Captain america black widow batman hawkeye hit girl bigdaddy round 1- gauntlet style; everbody has regular equpiment; buffy healed after each round round 2- all at once; buffy has prep
What feats does Buffy have? I never saw the series. So I can't answer the gauntlet round, but I doubt she clears round 2.
Fighting experience from every slayer who has ever existed dating back to 2700BC. Above 2 ton strength. Can run at least 70 mph. Enhanced reflexes and agility. Taken blows from beings who are at the very least 10 ton range. Taken out Gods, witches, Knights, Military, Assassins, And dominated vampires who have better feats than everyone on this list combined. Basically..anyone who doesn't think she clears this :
A. doesn't know the character
B. A troll
C. Both
I call bull
Depending on what prep she has, she could easily be murdered. Standard gear for her opponents + all at once = a very possible losing scenario.
Even Joss Whedon didn't make it easy for her to flat-out beat Black Widow.....
Just saying
Arguments can be made to support her defeat
I would sit here and type out exactly what i think your opinion on buffy's feats is worth,
Standard gear for her enemies is a shield, which she can dodge or disarm, two pistols (dodged gun shots from multiple angles, from dozens of men) and arrows (which she has caught with her back turned). Swords, Knives, grenades and rocket launchers..all dodged blocked or disarmed. Joss whedon gave buffy the fighting ability of thousands of warriors, centuries of experience and tactician skills, and the strength to decapitate a person with a kick or a punch. The speed to run down cars, and the senses to fight blind, and the durability to take 10 ton punches. But sure..she totally cant take down a highly trained government agent with two pistols. I'm sure the highly trained initiative soldiers thought that too.
He also made her struggle with fights against standard vampires, and fights against Spike, and a fight against Angel. She's also had trouble with demons who weren't exactly in GLORY'S league. So, yes, an argument supporting her defeat would NOT necessarily be one of the arguments that you listed, simply because they are not impossible scenarios. And Buffy isn't the only slayer who has had problems fighting creatures who could match her blow for blow, or creatures who swarmed her. Fighting all of these skilled warriors at once COULD be a negative for her. Just because someone's opinion isn't the same as yours, doesn't mean that it doesn't hold water......just saying
LOL If it happens once, that's PIS. If it happens twice, that's PIS. If it happens thrice, that's PIS. If it happens 4 times, then we can still work with the PIS argument. But if it happens over 5 seasons in a row, then it's not PIS. It's a valid argument that can be introduced against the character in question. Each one of the fighters she is up against is strong in their own right. And Cap's shield is capable of taking on a full on attack from THOR. So, no, I'm not going to rule them out simply because YOU want to bring up all of the times that Buffy has succeeded, and overlook the MASSIVE amounts of times that she has struggled with lower tier fighters. She could be shot, impaled...murdered, with a swarm of heroes that fight like the ones she is up against. I'm not saying she gets curbstomped. I'm saying you don't have to be a troll, or a person who doesn't know a lot about her, in order to say that there is a possibility that she loses.
@Nefarious said:
Round 1: She loses. Round 2: She doesn't stand a chance.
Alright lets see....
Cap Wins Majority. (He has just as good feats and Skills, Carries a Tompson and 1911, way above Human displays of abilities)
BW Losses Majority (Her Tech helps a bit but she hasnt been that impressive)
Batman Wins Slightly (Tech Helps alot, Gear is whatever he wants in those films, skills is better display than Buffys stupid show)
Hawkeye Looses Majority (Same as Widow and buffy catches arrows/knives all day long)
Hit Girl Loses Majority (She fights in CC with blades.... thats Buffys world and shes super human)
Big Daddy Wins Majority (He carries guns and Gernades, Nicholas Cage as Punisher Buffy NEVER in her show deals with that really)
So Gaunlet Wise she stops at Cap. Do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars. All at once she gets raped like a prison gangbang, ouch.
I watch Buffy, my wife likes her, and Im a huge Angel fan to boot. I seen her show and feats. They are okay but her skills suk from season 1-5 and after that her skills and training made her Sub par still. She relies on her Strength and Endurance to win most fights and even then normal Vamps who get beaten by NORMAL humans get one up on her. Plus all her talents are killing Monsters, Daemons, and Vamps. Not people with guns. Rarley in that show they ever show guns.
So Show Buffy vs Movie Heros.... not so good.
@Nefarious said:
Round 1: She loses. Round 2: She doesn't stand a chance.
This. ^
@CadenceV2 said:
Alright lets see....
Cap Wins Majority. (He has just as good feats and Skills, Carries a Tompson and 1911, way above Human displays of abilities)BW Losses Majority (Her Tech helps a bit but she hasnt been that impressive)
Batman Wins Slightly (Tech Helps alot, Gear is whatever he wants in those films, skills is better display than Buffys stupid show)
Hawkeye Looses Majority (Same as Widow and buffy catches arrows/knives all day long)
Hit Girl Loses Majority (She fights in CC with blades.... thats Buffys world and shes super human)
Big Daddy Wins Majority (He carries guns and Gernades, Nicholas Cage as Punisher Buffy NEVER in her show deals with that really)
So Gaunlet Wise she stops at Cap. Do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars. All at once she gets raped like a prison gangbang, ouch.
I watch Buffy, my wife likes her, and Im a huge Angel fan to boot. I seen her show and feats. They are okay but her skills suk from season 1-5 and after that her skills and training made her Sub par still. She relies on her Strength and Endurance to win most fights and even then normal Vamps who get beaten by NORMAL humans get one up on her. Plus all her talents are killing Monsters, Daemons, and Vamps. Not people with guns. Rarley in that show they ever show guns.
So Show Buffy vs Movie Heros.... not so good.
And buffy has dodged gatling gun bullets, and automatic machine gun fire from an entire army of men while taking them all out.. Buffy has been shown to lift well over 2 tons, crush steal, run 70 mph, and take blows from beings who would punch a hole in captain america. Buffys feats are wayyyy above caps..so sitting here syaing he takes the majority is nothing less than laughable. Lets compare..spike showed enough strength to fold a near bank vault like door in half...and couldnt lift a weapon buffy used to beat a god nearly to death with.
Black widow gets stomped.
Batman wins nothing. Buffy has come up against tech that alters time, demons who alter perception of time, weapons that shoot lightning which she dodged (twice) grenades, missile launchers, tanks, and even magic. Batman doesn't have a weapon in his arsenal that can slow buffy down yet alone stop her.
Yes he gets stomped same as scarlett jo.
Majority? a little girl vs a superhuman with centuries of martial arts experience..k
bit daddy gets stomped for the same reason everyone else. Buffy has dodged bullets, grenades, and faith herself has taken a brick of c4 to the face with minimal damage. Right buffy never dealt with that..except when she took out 9 initiative agents in less than 18 seconds...those assassins with nigh tvision goggles, automatic weapons and satellite intel in slayerfest 98...the time she took on the army in season 8...the initative agents she took out with sansu in season 8...adam..the 3 watchers who were shooting at her with automatic weapons from 3 different angles in season 1 of angel...etc etc, NEVER
Gauntlet wise she clears it. And all together she punches holes in everyone's bodies while moving faster than they can react.
You watch buffy even thou you called it a crappy show..and then claimed to not have seen her fight anyone with a gun..despite her taken on entire armies of trained men with machine guns ...and winning. Her skills that you claimed sucked allowed her to take on assassins in season 2, one of the greatest fighters in the buffyverse, in season 1, a warrior with centuries of fighting experience in season 3..highly trained government agents in season 4, and a God who outclassed her in strength speed and durability in season 5. Buffy has the fighting experience of every slayer who has ever existed dating back to the 2700 century, killed beings who have taken out armies of trained samurai, ninjas, shaolin monks, swat teams, Android Ninjas, and undefeated warriors from alternate dimensions. But sure..she relied on brute strength.
Do what everyone else is doing who says she loses..say she gets stomped but dont explain how or why like the other known buffy trolls in this thread...but the argument you used...no
Buffy stomps..anyone who doesn't like it...too bad.
@Job said:
So like i was saying..buffy clears it.
I see you're saying it.....but does that make it true?
Truth be told, her strength is typically based on plot anyway............yet again, even her creator didn't say she'd punch a hole through Black Widow's chest.
@White Mage said:
@Job said:
So like i was saying..buffy clears it.
I see you're saying it.....but does that make it true?
Truth be told, her strength is typically based on plot anyway............yet again, even her creator didn't say she'd punch a hole through Black Widow's chest.
And Black Widow is not on the same level as Captain America with that shield
She can beat everyone in round one, expect maybe Cap, round two, I think she goes down.
@Job: .........You're definition of PIS is.....interesting....given the character's history
What the hell are you raving about!? Are we watching the same crap series? This is the TV SERIES Buffy not Comic Buffy? When the Hell has Buffy doge Gatlin Guns, and Manhandled Tanks, and when did she ever have 700k of experiance when her Watcher has to constantly try and train her.
@CadenceV2 said:
Alright lets see....
Cap Wins Majority. (He has just as good feats and Skills, Carries a Tompson and 1911, way above Human displays of abilities)BW Losses Majority (Her Tech helps a bit but she hasnt been that impressive)
Batman Wins Slightly (Tech Helps alot, Gear is whatever he wants in those films, skills is better display than Buffys stupid show)
Hawkeye Looses Majority (Same as Widow and buffy catches arrows/knives all day long)
Hit Girl Loses Majority (She fights in CC with blades.... thats Buffys world and shes super human)
Big Daddy Wins Majority (He carries guns and Gernades, Nicholas Cage as Punisher Buffy NEVER in her show deals with that really)
So Gaunlet Wise she stops at Cap. Do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars. All at once she gets raped like a prison gangbang, ouch.
I watch Buffy, my wife likes her, and Im a huge Angel fan to boot. I seen her show and feats. They are okay but her skills suk from season 1-5 and after that her skills and training made her Sub par still. She relies on her Strength and Endurance to win most fights and even then normal Vamps who get beaten by NORMAL humans get one up on her. Plus all her talents are killing Monsters, Daemons, and Vamps. Not people with guns. Rarley in that show they ever show guns.
So Show Buffy vs Movie Heros.... not so good.And buffy has dodged gatling gun bullets, and automatic machine gun fire from an entire army of men while taking them all out.. Buffy has been shown to lift well over 2 tons, crush steal, run 70 mph, and take blows from beings who would punch a hole in captain america. Buffys feats are wayyyy above caps..so sitting here syaing he takes the majority is nothing less than laughable. Lets compare..spike showed enough strength to fold a near bank vault like door in half...and couldnt lift a weapon buffy used to beat a god nearly to death with.
Black widow gets stomped.
Batman wins nothing. Buffy has come up against tech that alters time, demons who alter perception of time, weapons that shoot lightning which she dodged (twice) grenades, missile launchers, tanks, and even magic. Batman doesn't have a weapon in his arsenal that can slow buffy down yet alone stop her.
Yes he gets stomped same as scarlett jo.
Majority? a little girl vs a superhuman with centuries of martial arts experience..k
bit daddy gets stomped for the same reason everyone else. Buffy has dodged bullets, grenades, and faith herself has taken a brick of c4 to the face with minimal damage. Right buffy never dealt with that..except when she took out 9 initiative agents in less than 18 seconds...those assassins with nigh tvision goggles, automatic weapons and satellite intel in slayerfest 98...the time she took on the army in season 8...the initative agents she took out with sansu in season 8...adam..the 3 watchers who were shooting at her with automatic weapons from 3 different angles in season 1 of angel...etc etc, NEVER
Gauntlet wise she clears it. And all together she punches holes in everyone's bodies while moving faster than they can react.
You watch buffy even thou you called it a crappy show..and then claimed to not have seen her fight anyone with a gun..despite her taken on entire armies of trained men with machine guns ...and winning. Her skills that you claimed sucked allowed her to take on assassins in season 2, one of the greatest fighters in the buffyverse, in season 1, a warrior with centuries of fighting experience in season 3..highly trained government agents in season 4, and a God who outclassed her in strength speed and durability in season 5. Buffy has the fighting experience of every slayer who has ever existed dating back to the 2700 century, killed beings who have taken out armies of trained samurai, ninjas, shaolin monks, swat teams, Android Ninjas, and undefeated warriors from alternate dimensions. But sure..she relied on brute strength.
Do what everyone else is doing who says she loses..say she gets stomped but dont explain how or why like the other known buffy trolls in this thread...but the argument you used...no
Buffy stomps..anyone who doesn't like it...too
@CadenceV2: Personally, I enjoyed both series. I loved Kendra's guest spots, and Faith was a scene stealer.
Angel gave me Lorne :)
@CadenceV2: Also, do your best to remain calm........he/she calls people trolls when they disagree with Buffy's victories.
@CadenceV2: Also, do your best to remain calm........he/she calls people trolls when they disagree with Buffy's victories.
@CadenceV2 said:
@Job said:What the hell are you raving about!? Are we watching the same crap series? This is the TV SERIES Buffy not Comic Buffy? When the Hell has Buffy doge Gatlin Guns, and Manhandled Tanks, and when did she ever have 700k of experiance when her Watcher has to constantly try and train her. Do you have a Buffy poster over your bed? I would.... nooo not really I like Willow WAY better. First off you dare and ramble at me that buffy cant beat the Kick A$$ chick... I said Kick A$$ chick LOSES MAJORITY. Is that cleared up. Secondly that punk boyfriend of hers from that stupid monster catch and release program was able to take down Vampires/Monsters that had her on the ropes. Hows that possible if she can PUNCH HOLES in everyone? Seriously read what I wrote first before waving your typing finger at me. Again Buffy sucks and Angel was ALOT better.@CadenceV2 said:
Alright lets see....
Cap Wins Majority. (He has just as good feats and Skills, Carries a Tompson and 1911, way above Human displays of abilities)BW Losses Majority (Her Tech helps a bit but she hasnt been that impressive)
Batman Wins Slightly (Tech Helps alot, Gear is whatever he wants in those films, skills is better display than Buffys stupid show)
Hawkeye Looses Majority (Same as Widow and buffy catches arrows/knives all day long)
Hit Girl Loses Majority (She fights in CC with blades.... thats Buffys world and shes super human)
Big Daddy Wins Majority (He carries guns and Gernades, Nicholas Cage as Punisher Buffy NEVER in her show deals with that really)
So Gaunlet Wise she stops at Cap. Do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars. All at once she gets raped like a prison gangbang, ouch.
I watch Buffy, my wife likes her, and Im a huge Angel fan to boot. I seen her show and feats. They are okay but her skills suk from season 1-5 and after that her skills and training made her Sub par still. She relies on her Strength and Endurance to win most fights and even then normal Vamps who get beaten by NORMAL humans get one up on her. Plus all her talents are killing Monsters, Daemons, and Vamps. Not people with guns. Rarley in that show they ever show guns.
So Show Buffy vs Movie Heros.... not so good.And buffy has dodged gatling gun bullets, and automatic machine gun fire from an entire army of men while taking them all out.. Buffy has been shown to lift well over 2 tons, crush steal, run 70 mph, and take blows from beings who would punch a hole in captain america. Buffys feats are wayyyy above caps..so sitting here syaing he takes the majority is nothing less than laughable. Lets compare..spike showed enough strength to fold a near bank vault like door in half...and couldnt lift a weapon buffy used to beat a god nearly to death with.
Black widow gets stomped.
Batman wins nothing. Buffy has come up against tech that alters time, demons who alter perception of time, weapons that shoot lightning which she dodged (twice) grenades, missile launchers, tanks, and even magic. Batman doesn't have a weapon in his arsenal that can slow buffy down yet alone stop her.
Yes he gets stomped same as scarlett jo.
Majority? a little girl vs a superhuman with centuries of martial arts experience..k
bit daddy gets stomped for the same reason everyone else. Buffy has dodged bullets, grenades, and faith herself has taken a brick of c4 to the face with minimal damage. Right buffy never dealt with that..except when she took out 9 initiative agents in less than 18 seconds...those assassins with nigh tvision goggles, automatic weapons and satellite intel in slayerfest 98...the time she took on the army in season 8...the initative agents she took out with sansu in season 8...adam..the 3 watchers who were shooting at her with automatic weapons from 3 different angles in season 1 of angel...etc etc, NEVER
Gauntlet wise she clears it. And all together she punches holes in everyone's bodies while moving faster than they can react.
You watch buffy even thou you called it a crappy show..and then claimed to not have seen her fight anyone with a gun..despite her taken on entire armies of trained men with machine guns ...and winning. Her skills that you claimed sucked allowed her to take on assassins in season 2, one of the greatest fighters in the buffyverse, in season 1, a warrior with centuries of fighting experience in season 3..highly trained government agents in season 4, and a God who outclassed her in strength speed and durability in season 5. Buffy has the fighting experience of every slayer who has ever existed dating back to the 2700 century, killed beings who have taken out armies of trained samurai, ninjas, shaolin monks, swat teams, Android Ninjas, and undefeated warriors from alternate dimensions. But sure..she relied on brute strength.
Do what everyone else is doing who says she loses..say she gets stomped but dont explain how or why like the other known buffy trolls in this thread...but the argument you used...no
Buffy stomps..anyone who doesn't like it...too
Well, comic Buffy and TV series Buffy are one and the same - comic is continuation of TV series. Dodging gatling gun - or at least avoiding being shot by one - BTVS: Primeval. Punching hole in a demon - BTVS: Normal again. And what monsters Riley defeat that Buffy have problems with? Also you see who is better when you saw Buffy and Riley sparing, when she was holding back yet she send him flying with a single kick. And it's clear that you are bias since you hate Buffy and love Angel. I never understood that - how can you like one series and dislike the other? And about your assessment - only real problem Buffy could have is Cap America, since she never face against someone with a shild - maybe some other Slayers fought that kind of eneny and she remember this thanks to Slayer's memories - and movie Cap is close to her if not equal to her in starts. But I said she can win this since Cap in the movie have only standard military training and his fighting style is rather simplistic - punching and thorowing people around. As for Batman... I love Chris Nolan's Batman movies, and I was one of the few people who voted for Batman in "Batman vs. Black widow" thread, but in direct confrontation, there is no real way that Batman could win, at least not this version of him. You can make a case that comic book Batman would win thanks to content of his utility belt, but here, movie Batman don't have hundred and one gadgets on his belt. Also you assessment of Buffy's fighting powers is just wrong... But like I said you are bias.
@Job: Try to not get ban again. :)
@CadenceV2 said:
@Picard:
All I just read the OP and its not simply TV show Buffy who shows as much skill in a fight as a novice child in a Karate class, but Comic Buffy as well. Never read those Comics (Thats Right Angel fan still) but i know she does some stupid feat in there. As for Buffy needing help she does like half the episodes when fighting Daemons, Vamps, or Monsters. Riley HAD to save her from those Daemons that hate sound... tooth faries I think... and I remember this Episode on the other day where she was working the Burger joint and had a freshly raise crap vampire nearly kill her casue she was so unfocuse. Many more dumb instances like that through out Joss show. He makes her seem Ninja bad@$$ and then he makes her no better than her first day of slaying. So Again TV Buffy would get beaten by Cap and Big Daddy by Majority. Batman Slightly. Widow, Hit Girl, and Hawkeye go down. I say this again cause in those movies they never lost a sucky fight scene to inferior foes like she has for series/episode plot. Cant argue that. However Comic Buffy is to much for anyone in the Movies to handle. Cap again maybe but even then he dont have enough Movie feats and I havent seen the Avengers yet. Also Yes, I am Bias against Buffy. Her show was so teeny bopper while Angels was WAAAAY more Gritty.
Novice kid in karate class? You see, that's why I say that you are bias. She is doing backflips kicks, roundhouse kick, jump kicks, all ,all sorts of punches, she dodge and she uses everything she finds as weapon, - fluid, fast motions. How is this comperable to novice at karate school? This series have very decent fight choreography. So I don't know what you are talking about. No she don't need much help, more offten than not she is one to save Scoobies from danger. She have her team, and Angel have his - they both need them is some ways. As for Riley helping her out with Gentlemens, yes it's true but: 1) he did this by catching them off guard and using taser gun, 2) there is no way to tell if she couldn't just do this without him. And no Buffy never loose to inferior oponent - yes, she not always slay her enemies with ease, but you took this scenes out of context, and she didn't loose this fights anyway. Anyhow there is always explanation why she is not showing 100% slayer power. If this bother you so much you should have this same problem with Angel - he get his butt kicked by some sort of Daredevil woman, blind gal with no powers, and he had hard time with Gwen Raiden... Even if you took this scens out of the context, then well, inconsistencies happen in all sort of fiction, this by any means is not testimony to character's poor skills. And we all saw what she can do in TV series: defeating Angelus - who beat up at least 10 demonic monks skilled in shaolin fighting style - both in h2h and in melee, in twenty-eight seconds neutralizing entire team of enhanced, special forces soldiers, who hunt demons, dusting off 8 vampires under one minute, killing Der Kindestod demon, while suffering form high fever, defeating telepathic demons who can read your thoughts and predict your moves, defeating Dracula, fighting blindfolded etc.
And man, you don't give any reasons why she would loose to those particular people: Cap - maybe, but it is debatable. If he would win, it's thanks to his shield, because Buffy - yes, TV series Buffy is much better fighter than him. Big Daddy - looses. As I said before, and what you completely ignored she defeated man with guns before, even in TV series plus she is fast enough to dodge lighting - BTVS: Revelations - and all knows that lighting moves faster than bullets. Why Batman wins? He don't have any gadgets to put her down, and even if he did she can evede them etc.
And you are openly bias, so your opinion doesn't matter anyway. About Angel's grittiness... de gustibus non est disputandum, but gritty don't mean better.
@CadenceV2 said:
@Picard: LOL opinion doesnt matter? Well thats a strange statement. I belive no ones opinion matters since there opinions! Big shocker let it set in. Anyway I do think Buffy as a series suck and Angels is far superior (Last 2 seasons of Angel beat Buffys in ratings, FACT and stick it) and you like her so way to go to defend her show. I think Willow was way better and powerful she should of killed the silly Slayer and ran with the show. Shes cutter too.
Yes it doesn't metter, because your bias was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but when you distort facts, when you downplay in order to make character that you hate lose, then you voice in debate become irrelevant. I from the other hand try to base my opinions on factual evidence rather than my feelings . I geve reasonable arguments, I give you tons of evidences to support my claims - you ignored all of them. And what you are saying have no bearing on the current discussions - it dosen't metter if you think that Angel series was better or not. Also popularity don't equall quality - what you are seing is actually logical fallacy - argumentum ad populum
how come every time there is a buffy thread people have to act like jerks?
@charlieboy said:
how come every time there is a buffy thread people have to act like jerks?
"Buffy", "Storm", it all looks the same to me
@Wyldsong: lol. i just don't understand why people can't just discuss it without being rude to each other. buffy was a great show and has a lot of fans. i never understand all of this negativity.
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