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#1 Edited by jay_z94 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Only hand to hand fighting, no other equipment, resources, etc

Fight is to the death or KO

vs Tony stark (with extremis virus)

vs Tony stark (without)

vs black panther (with heart shaped herb)

vs black panther (without)

vs lex luthor

#2 Posted by those_eyes (4980 posts) - - Show Bio

He loses to black panther with heart shaped herb.

#3 Posted by XiiX (7421 posts) - - Show Bio

He loses to black panther with heart shaped herb.

#4 Posted by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

#5 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

Yup.

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#6 Posted by dorukesin (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

stomps Tony stark (with extremis virus)

stomps Tony stark (without)

fifty fifty black panther (with heart shaped herb)

stomps black panther (without)

stomps lex luthor

#7 Posted by NeonPheonix (649 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm BATMAN, BATMAN BATMAN BATMAN!

Shut up your Ben Affleck

#8 Edited by Cable_Extreme (8600 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby said:

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

Yup.

Yessir

#9 Posted by jay_z94 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@shawnbaby said:

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

Yup.

Yessir

I agree, apart from him stalemating BP without the herb, i reckon he has a good chance of winning. And what extra abilities does extremis provide? i thought it was just enhanced reflexes

#10 Posted by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@wolverine08 said:

@shawnbaby said:

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

Yup.

Yessir

I agree, apart from him stalemating BP without the herb, i reckon he has a good chance of winning. And what extra abilities does extremis provide? i thought it was just enhanced reflexes

Well by stalemate i mean both take 5 victories out of 10. And Extremis Tony has Superhuman reflexes and response time, a healing factor, and near Captain America level Physical Stats

#11 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5143 posts) - - Show Bio

#4 Posted by Shawnbaby (7333 posts) - 55 minutes, 26 seconds ago - Show Bio

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

This

#12 Posted by dondave (34336 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by jay_z94 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@wolverine08 said:

@shawnbaby said:

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

Yup.

Yessir

I agree, apart from him stalemating BP without the herb, i reckon he has a good chance of winning. And what extra abilities does extremis provide? i thought it was just enhanced reflexes

Well by stalemate i mean both take 5 victories out of 10. And Extremis Tony has Superhuman reflexes and response time, a healing factor, and near Captain America level Physical Stats

Okay, but i thought batman would have had a good chance since he has much higher fighting skill, while also having peak human stats

#14 Edited by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:

@shawnbaby said:

@jay_z94 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@wolverine08 said:

@shawnbaby said:

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

Yup.

Yessir

I agree, apart from him stalemating BP without the herb, i reckon he has a good chance of winning. And what extra abilities does extremis provide? i thought it was just enhanced reflexes

Well by stalemate i mean both take 5 victories out of 10. And Extremis Tony has Superhuman reflexes and response time, a healing factor, and near Captain America level Physical Stats

Okay, but i thought batman would have had a good chance since he has much higher fighting skill, while also having peak human stats

Well, that's your right. I don't think its a stomp for Tony by any means. I just think that his superhuman reflexes, slightly superior stats and healing factor give him the advantage in this situation...and it seems that others agree with my assessment. Don't forget Tony was trained in H2H by Captain America. He's not at Bruce's Level by any means...but he's no slouch. If Batman had some gear I could easily see him take this but as it is...I gotta go with the guy with better physical attributes.

#15 Edited by jay_z94 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Wouldn't bruce be able to use one of the "death blows" he has learned including one he learnt from lady shiva (the leopard blow i think) on BP or Stark with extremis?

#16 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:

Wouldn't bruce be able to use one of the "death blows" he has learned including one he learnt from lady shiva (the leopard blow i think) on BP or Stark with extremis?

By the same token, Panther could use nerve strikes on Batman.

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#17 Edited by jay_z94 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok... i'll agree on panther and bruce being 50/50 ;) but what about stark?

#18 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16001 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby said:

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

Yup.

#19 Posted by Experio (14100 posts) - - Show Bio

stomps Tony stark (with extremis virus)

stomps Tony stark (without)

fifty fifty black panther (with heart shaped herb)

stomps black panther (without)

stomps lex luthor

#20 Posted by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:

Ok... i'll agree on panther and bruce being 50/50 ;) but what about stark?

People with Healing Factors tend to be able to ignore the effects of death blows. Also, Bruce doesn't use deathblows on anyone...he's not a killer.

#21 Posted by jay_z94 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a fight to the death or KO

#22 Posted by jay_z94 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

it's a fight to the death or KO

#23 Posted by jashro44 (19562 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

This sounds about right all though to be honest I think I would give Bruce the majority over T'challa without the herb. Problem being is that T'challa never quite faced anyone of Bruces level without the herb, and we have more in depth details of Bruces skill.

Aside from that I agree.

#24 Posted by BigCimmerian (7851 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby: But zero skill.

Tony? Zero Skill? No. He has been trained by Captain America in H2H. He's nowhere near as good as Bruce...but he's not unskilled.

#26 Posted by BigCimmerian (7851 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby: But zero skill.

Tony? Zero Skill? No. He has been trained by Captain America in H2H. He's nowhere near as good as Bruce...but he's not unskilled.

Yeah yeah, that's what I meant :D Not even close to Bruce.

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#28 Posted by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby: But zero skill.

Tony? Zero Skill? No. He has been trained by Captain America in H2H. He's nowhere near as good as Bruce...but he's not unskilled.

Yeah yeah, that's what I meant :D Not even close to Bruce.

Superhuman stats tend to make up for Skill gaps.

#29 Posted by Black_Arrow (2475 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby: But zero skill.

Tony? Zero Skill? No. He has been trained by Captain America in H2H. He's nowhere near as good as Bruce...but he's not unskilled.

Yeah yeah, that's what I meant :D Not even close to Bruce.

Superhuman stats tend to make up for Skill gaps.

Not a gap this big. Batman uses the vibrating palm technique or the leopard blow and finishes the fight.

#30 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually think BP wins either way.

#31 Posted by GhostRavage (8357 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Didn't T'Challa fought Captain America into a stalemate quite a few times? I think he even beat him once while being depowered and just being a normal Street Leveler, the same can be said about Iron Fist IIRC.

#32 Posted by Laughingstock (1519 posts) - - Show Bio

Why the hell are Lex Luthir and normal tony here? Batman stomps them so far into the curb they try for months to try to scrape tem off the pavement but they just decide to repave the curb with them under it. It's a pretty hard stomp.

#33 Posted by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby: But zero skill.

Tony? Zero Skill? No. He has been trained by Captain America in H2H. He's nowhere near as good as Bruce...but he's not unskilled.

Yeah yeah, that's what I meant :D Not even close to Bruce.

Superhuman stats tend to make up for Skill gaps.

Not a gap this big. Batman uses the vibrating palm technique or the leopard blow and finishes the fight.

I could argue...but there isn't much point. If you look over the thread...you might notice a trend that echoes my original statement.

#34 Posted by jashro44 (19562 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Didn't T'Challa fought Captain America into a stalemate quite a few times? I think he even beat him once while being depowered and just being a normal Street Leveler, the same can be said about Iron Fist IIRC.

Him and cap have fought a few times. Never while black panther was depowered though. Off the top of my head there was one time T'challa was sent back in time and fought 1914 cap and Black Panther seem to have the upper hand all though there was no conclusion. They had a fight during contest of champions 2 where Steve won all though it was stated that Black Panther was mentally off (Both Steve and T'challa said that Black panther wasn't fighting the best he could), for some reason black panther was hesitating every one of his strikes throwing his timing off. Then they fought in civil war where black panther defeated Steve. All though it was implied that Steve wasn't going full out because he wanted to see if it was the real black panther. I think there is another fight all though I haven't read it or seen it.

They are usually portrayed as equals (and Steve even mentioned in Black Panthers shield file that he considers them equals). As for iron fist, Black Panther was enhanced there. It was more of a stalemate (granted Black Panther collapsed a second after iron fist did, Danny was bloodlusted, and black panther got up first as well).

He does have some pretty good feats while depowered but sadly nothing to justify a win on batman.

#35 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@ghostravage said:

@jashro44: Didn't T'Challa fought Captain America into a stalemate quite a few times? I think he even beat him once while being depowered and just being a normal Street Leveler, the same can be said about Iron Fist IIRC.

Him and cap have fought a few times. Never while black panther was depowered though. Off the top of my head there was one time T'challa was sent back in time and fought 1914 cap and Black Panther seem to have the upper hand all though there was no conclusion. They had a fight during contest of champions 2 where Steve won all though it was stated that Black Panther was mentally off (Both Steve and T'challa said that Black panther wasn't fighting the best he could), for some reason black panther was hesitating every one of his strikes throwing his timing off. Then they fought in civil war where black panther defeated Steve. All though it was implied that Steve wasn't going full out because he wanted to see if it was the real black panther. I think there is another fight all though I haven't read it or seen it.

They are usually portrayed as equals (and Steve even mentioned in Black Panthers shield file that he considers them equals). As for iron fist, Black Panther was enhanced there. It was more of a stalemate (granted Black Panther collapsed a second after iron fist did, Danny was bloodlusted, and black panther got up first as well).

He does have some pretty good feats while depowered but sadly nothing to justify a win on batman.

But I don't think his skill will decrease when he's depowered.

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#36 Posted by jashro44 (19562 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: You can't really deny his enhancements don't help him in a fight. He would normally have a physical advantage over batman (or really any peak human) which would give him the edge, which he doesn't have here. T'challa is very skilled but batman has the better raw feats in that regard. I think his physicals would normally bridge the gap as I do believe they are very close in skill, but he is at best equal to Bruce physically without the herb (And that is being generous).

#37 Posted by GhostRavage (8357 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I mentioned because he's actually superhumanly enhanced currently, and he was before as well. I see Black Panther as depowered when he doesn't have enhancements.

Anyway, everything i know about Black Panther pretty much came from your Respect Thread. It was quite a long time since i last looked but it seems i mixed the White Wolf instance with Iron Fist's.

#38 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I agree that T'Challa's enhancements would give him an edge over Batman in a fight, but he'll still have his vast skill even without the enhancements would make an unenhanced fight between him and Batman a 50-50 split in my opinion. I disagree with Batman having better raw skill feats, but I do overall understand where you are coming from with the enhancements edge being gone.

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#39 Posted by MonsterStomp (15809 posts) - - Show Bio

Hand to hand skill isn't the only factor in close quarter battles. I'd say Bruce can take T'Challa while off the Herb *brushes nose with finger*

#40 Edited by Thewhiteronin (742 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther will turn Bruce Wayne into a Bruised Wayne with the herb. Without, I'd say stalemate, they're too close IMHO.

#41 Posted by patrat18 (8760 posts) - - Show Bio

Without the herb Batman has Panther.

#42 Posted by BigCimmerian (7851 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby: But zero skill.

Tony? Zero Skill? No. He has been trained by Captain America in H2H. He's nowhere near as good as Bruce...but he's not unskilled.

Yeah yeah, that's what I meant :D Not even close to Bruce.

Superhuman stats tend to make up for Skill gaps.

Only if your stats are massively superior to peak human, if you're several tonner, than it means nothing. Examples are Killer Croc, Bane, Clayface, Poison Ivy etc.

#43 Posted by Shawnbaby (10404 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby said:

@bigcimmerian said:

@shawnbaby: But zero skill.

Tony? Zero Skill? No. He has been trained by Captain America in H2H. He's nowhere near as good as Bruce...but he's not unskilled.

Yeah yeah, that's what I meant :D Not even close to Bruce.

Superhuman stats tend to make up for Skill gaps.

Only if your stats are massively superior to peak human, if you're several tonner, than it means nothing. Examples are Killer Croc, Bane, Clayface, Poison Ivy etc.

Bane stomped Batman last they fought.

#44 Posted by Thitiki (3247 posts) - - Show Bio

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

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#4 Posted by Shawnbaby (7333 posts) - 55 minutes, 26 seconds ago - Show Bio

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

This

Everything minus the crossed out part. He edges a BP w/o herb.

#47 Edited by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

@wavemotioncannon said:

#4 Posted by Shawnbaby (7333 posts) - 55 minutes, 26 seconds ago - Show Bio

Loses to Extremis Tony

Stomps non extremis Tony

Loses to BP with Herb

Stalemates BP without

Stomps Luthor

This

Everything minus the crossed out part. He edges a BP w/o herb.

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#48 Posted by Omnicrono (1613 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono:

lol? Is that it? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

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#50 Edited by Omnicrono (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: I am entertained, that I am.

I have come to accept that I will never but a standard BP (i.e. without herb) ahead of Batman in pure h2h, and that primarily because even though the two are darned near equal, BP just doesn't have as extensive a history as Bats.

Beyond that, he just doesn't deserve to be equal to Bats in that regard, in my opinion. This is entirely the biased fanboy side of my argument, to be sure... But it is what it is. ;)