Bruce Wayne vs Bucky Barnes

Round 1:

No prep.

Morals ON

In character.

Standard equip.

_____________

Round 2:

No prep.

Morals OFF

Standard equip.

* They start 100 ft, apart.

** Standard elimination rules apply.

*** Standard equip:

Batman: utility belt with batarangs (20), flash grenades (3), smoke pellets (5), explosives (10), brass Knuckles, grapling hook.

Cap. Bucky: bionic arm, vibranium shield, SHIELD modified handgun, explosives (5).

Location:

Batman

VS

Cap.Bucky

Who wins and why?

@jashro44 said:

I will take batman due to better skill.

enough said

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

@jashro44: yes, they have everything that can be considered as standard.

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

please explain..

@HigorM said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

please explain..

bucky really outclasses dick when it comes to weapons in armory but dick is actually the better hand to hand fighter and he is smarter then bucky

@jashro44 said:

@darktiger: I agree batman would win but I think it is a tough fight (all though I would say batman should win about 7-8/10).

agreed my friend

@jashro44 said:

I will take batman due to better skill.

This. Bruce has far more skill than Bucky and has plenty of experience taking on enhanced foes. Bucky won't be too difficult a challenge to overcome. He should win 7/10

@darktiger said:

@HigorM said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

please explain..

bucky really outclasses dick when it comes to weapons in armory but dick is actually the better hand to hand fighter and he is smarter then bucky

sorry but I totally disagree..

@Strider92: interesting, I have to agree with you..

@nickzambuto: morals off BuckyCap is a beast you know that right?

@HigorM said:

@darktiger said:

@HigorM said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

please explain..

bucky really outclasses dick when it comes to weapons in armory but dick is actually the better hand to hand fighter and he is smarter then bucky

sorry but I totally disagree..

@Strider92: interesting, I have to agree with you..

@nickzambuto: morals off BuckyCap is a beast you know that right?

how and why do you disagree

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

Morals off Bucky made Hawkeye and Wolverine look like chumps at the same time

That is called Pis

@Strider92 said:

Round 1: Batman due to being more skilled in h2h.

Round 2: I'm actually going to go with Bucky here. Bucky is packing far more durability and firepower than Bruce and although Bruce is a better fighter he has no prior knowledge of Bucky and a blow from Bucky with morals off and that bionic armed could put Batman out of the running. Bionic arm + vibrainium shield = more durability than Batman can get past and deals more damage than Batman can take.

yes agreed

@darktiger: Bucky with the arm is way stronger then Dick Grayson. He is also more experienced fighter. He is more deadly fighter in the use of his weapons and have both better defense and offense weapons and gear. Not to mention that the arm have other uses that make the difference in the fight (eletrical discharges, EMP, can be detached for a sneaky attack, etc).

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

Morals off Bucky made Hawkeye and Wolverine look like chumps at the same time

That is called Pis

Or, you know, not.

Yes I do know wolverine bested Iron fist in combat and cap so how can bucky beat both of them he can beat hawkeye but not working together with wolverine he can't bucky is overrated that is what I hate about him

@HigorM said:

@darktiger: Bucky with the arm is way stronger then Dick Grayson. He is also more experienced fighter. He is more deadly fighter in the use of his weapons and have both better defense and offense weapons and gear. Not to mention that the arm have other uses that make the difference in the fight (eletrical discharges, EMP, can be detached for a sneaky attack, etc).

pure hand to hand combat dick wins his agile acrobatic style will make it hard for bucky to hit him,I said the majority of the fights bucky wins but dick is not to far from him,dick fought bane and deathstroke,something that bucky will die doing if he fought deathstroke

Round 1 is debatable. It comes down to Bucky's morals. Is he willing to kill? if he is, then i think he'd kill Batman. If not, Batman would win.

Round 2 is definitely Bruce. Morals off Batman is the most dangerous person on Earth.

@JamesKM716 said:

Round 1 is debatable. It comes down to Bucky's morals. Is he willing to kill? if he is, then i think he'd kill Batman. If not, Batman would win.

Round 2 is definitely Bruce. Morals off Batman is the most dangerous person on Earth.

disagreed bucky can take bat's long range he might dodge a couple of shot but in the end he will get hit by bucky's superior accuracy

@jashro44 said:

@darktiger said:

@HigorM said:

@darktiger: Bucky with the arm is way stronger then Dick Grayson. He is also more experienced fighter. He is more deadly fighter in the use of his weapons and have both better defense and offense weapons and gear. Not to mention that the arm have other uses that make the difference in the fight (eletrical discharges, EMP, can be detached for a sneaky attack, etc).

pure hand to hand combat dick wins his agile acrobatic style will make it hard for bucky to hit him,I said the majority of the fights bucky wins but dick is not to far from him,dick fought bane and deathstroke,something that bucky will die doing if he fought deathstroke

Nightwings track record against slade is mostly bad then good. And bane stomped nightwing when they fought.

I'm saying he survived bucky would probably die in a fight against slade

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

Morals off Bucky made Hawkeye and Wolverine look like chumps at the same time

That is called Pis

Or, you know, not.

Yes I do know wolverine bested Iron fist in combat and cap so how can bucky beat both of them he can beat hawkeye but not working together with wolverine he can't bucky is overrated that is what I hate about him

Bucky is even on fighting skills with Cap but as you say you hate the character and you are a Batman fan so I'm going to take your opinions as pretty biased and just disregard them

didn't say I hate the character I said I hate how overrated he is you act like it is a major stomp with him against dick

@Strider92 said:

Round 1: Batman due to being more skilled in h2h.

Round 2: I'm actually going to go with Bucky here. Bucky is packing far more durability and firepower than Bruce and although Bruce is a better fighter he has no prior knowledge of Bucky and a blow from Bucky with morals off and that bionic armed could put Batman out of the running. Bionic arm + vibrainium shield = more durability than Batman can get past and deals more damage than Batman can take.

I agree with this.

Round 1: Bucky holds back a lot and Bruce is damn good. That bionic arm isn't going to be throwing the shield or striking as hard as it normally does. Bruce 6.5 or 7/10

Round 2: What Strider said exactly. In addition to the shield and arm increasing his durability, Bucky's suit is impact resistant and bullet proof. It can soak up a lot of damage, turned .45 caliber bullets from a few feet away to only fractured ribs. No damage from betting blown off a building, thrown out of a building, and falling face first from a building. Bruce not holding back is equally as deadly, but Bucky's tech is already there to perform lethal damage, the gun and the arm. Batman's normal equipment does not have as much killing potential as Bucky's arm and explosive rounds.

Bucky 6/10

Overall, Bruce 6 or 6.5 out of 10 like Super_Soldier said.

@darktiger said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

Morals off Bucky made Hawkeye and Wolverine look like chumps at the same time

That is called Pis

It would be PIS if it really did happen that way. But it did not. Bucky didn't fight them at the same time. He tricked Logan in a chase and shot him up with his SHIELD handgun. Then Hawkeye just fired an arrow at him while Logan was down and he cut the arrow in half.

At no point did Logan and Clint come at Bucky at the same time. So it's not PIS since he has done the same feats against the characters on separate occasions 1 on 1.

He has tricked Logan in a ink factory in Wolvrine Origins

He has caught Hawkeye's arrows before.

@SlimJ87D said:

@darktiger said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@darktiger said:

@jashro44 said:

@HigorM:All though does batman have his cowl and does Bucky have his impact resistant suit?

even if he does I still say batman,bucky can barely beat nightwing

Morals off Bucky made Hawkeye and Wolverine look like chumps at the same time

That is called Pis

It would be PIS if it really did happen that way. But it did not. Bucky didn't fight them at the same time. He tricked Logan in a chase and shot him up with his SHIELD handgun. Then Hawkeye just fired an arrow at him while Logan was down and he cut the arrow in half.

At no point did Logan and Clint come at Bucky at the same time. So it's not PIS since he has done the same feats against the characters on separate occasions 1 on 1.

He has tricked Logan in a ink factory in Wolvrine Origins

He has caught Hawkeye's arrows before.

thank you for clearing that up

@Fetts said:

I'm not sure here. Bruce may be more skilled but I'm pretty sure Bucky is faster. It's kind of like the same problem Batman has with Deathstroke. Deathstroke has implied that Batman is more skilled than him. But all that skill doesn't matter when your opponent is faster. Furthermore, Bucky has great defensive and offensive advantages with that shield and his bionic arm. I think Batman could win though, if he used smoke pellets and a surprise attack. But overall, I see Bucky taking this.

deathstroke is enhanced stronger and faster,bucky can't win the majority

@nickzambuto said:

@HigorM said:

@nickzambuto: morals off BuckyCap is a beast you know that right?

Indeed I do. I LOVE his scramble with Wolverine as Winter Soldier (when he lured Logan into the printworks and covered himself in ink to confuse his senses, then proceeded to own his ass <3) and he's even better as Cap.

BUT, I don't see him as being Cap's equal in skill. Batman meanwhile, is Cap's superior.

Bucky could make up for it if he had the stats, but I doubt those can match Batman either (feel free to prove me wrong)

I said he's probably better than Nightwing in damn near everything (that's a lot coming from me) but Big Daddy Bats is still above him, ESPECIALLY with gadgets and stealth.

agreed

@nickzambuto said:

@Fetts said:

I'm not sure here. Bruce may be more skilled but I'm pretty sure Bucky is faster. It's kind of like the same problem Batman has with Deathstroke. Deathstroke has implied that Batman is more skilled than him. But all that skill doesn't matter when your opponent is faster. Furthermore, Bucky has great defensive and offensive advantages with that shield and his bionic arm. I think Batman could win though, if he used smoke pellets and a surprise attack. But overall, I see Bucky taking this.

Deathstroke is more than faster. He has every conceivable stat advantage possible. Bucky might be faster, but I'm decently positive Bruce has everything else over him, sans bionic arm.

agreed again

@nickzambuto said:

@HigorM said:

@nickzambuto: morals off BuckyCap is a beast you know that right?

Indeed I do. I LOVE his scramble with Wolverine as Winter Soldier (when he lured Logan into the printworks and covered himself in ink to confuse his senses, then proceeded to own his ass <3) and he's even better as Cap.

BUT, I don't see him as being Cap's equal in skill. Batman meanwhile, is Cap's superior.

Bucky could make up for it if he had the stats, but I doubt those can match Batman either (feel free to prove me wrong)

I said he's probably better than Nightwing in damn near everything (that's a lot coming from me) but Big Daddy Bats is still above him, ESPECIALLY with gadgets and stealth.

I beg to differ. Bucky said that Steve is 3 times his physical stats, yet he has gone up against Steve's rogues and defeated them fairly well.

Steve's encounter with Crossbones without the SSS was not as impressive as all of Bucky's encounters with Crossbones.

Bucky fought Batroc the leaper, the man with no face, a small private army and an Apache helicopter. He still managed to get a good shield strike that put Batroc out of the fight. So that's pretty good against Batroc.

He defeated 50's Cap twice who is double of Steve's stats and therefore 6 times Bucky's stats, and there wasn't Shield or the Falcon there to help him.

I think Bucky is just as skilled or more so than Steve, he has more raw natural talent due to performing just as well as Steve against Steve's rogues without having a SSS.

@SlimJ87D said:

@nickzambuto said:

@HigorM said:

@nickzambuto: morals off BuckyCap is a beast you know that right?

Indeed I do. I LOVE his scramble with Wolverine as Winter Soldier (when he lured Logan into the printworks and covered himself in ink to confuse his senses, then proceeded to own his ass <3) and he's even better as Cap.

BUT, I don't see him as being Cap's equal in skill. Batman meanwhile, is Cap's superior.

Bucky could make up for it if he had the stats, but I doubt those can match Batman either (feel free to prove me wrong)

I said he's probably better than Nightwing in damn near everything (that's a lot coming from me) but Big Daddy Bats is still above him, ESPECIALLY with gadgets and stealth.

I beg to differ. Bucky said that Steve is 3 times his physical stats, yet he has gone up against Steve's rogues and defeated them fairly well.

Steve's encounter with Crossbones without the SSS was not as impressive as all of Bucky's encounters with Crossbones.

Bucky fought Batroc the leaper, the man with no face, a small private army and an Apache helicopter. He still managed to get a good shield strike that put Batroc out of the fight. So that's pretty good against Batroc.

He defeated 50's Cap twice who is double of Steve's stats and therefore 6 times Bucky's stats, and there wasn't Shield or the Falcon there to help him.

I think Bucky is just as skilled or more so than Steve, he has more raw natural talent due to performing just as well as Steve against Steve's rogues without having a SSS.

No sir

@nickzambuto said:

@SlimJ87D said:

@nickzambuto said:

@HigorM said:

@nickzambuto: morals off BuckyCap is a beast you know that right?

Indeed I do. I LOVE his scramble with Wolverine as Winter Soldier (when he lured Logan into the printworks and covered himself in ink to confuse his senses, then proceeded to own his ass <3) and he's even better as Cap.

BUT, I don't see him as being Cap's equal in skill. Batman meanwhile, is Cap's superior.

Bucky could make up for it if he had the stats, but I doubt those can match Batman either (feel free to prove me wrong)

I said he's probably better than Nightwing in damn near everything (that's a lot coming from me) but Big Daddy Bats is still above him, ESPECIALLY with gadgets and stealth.

I beg to differ. Bucky said that Steve is 3 times his physical stats, yet he has gone up against Steve's rogues and defeated them fairly well.

Steve's encounter with Crossbones without the SSS was not as impressive as all of Bucky's encounters with Crossbones.

Bucky fought Batroc the leaper, the man with no face, a small private army and an Apache helicopter. He still managed to get a good shield strike that put Batroc out of the fight. So that's pretty good against Batroc.

He defeated 50's Cap twice who is double of Steve's stats and therefore 6 times Bucky's stats, and there wasn't Shield or the Falcon there to help him.

I think Bucky is just as skilled or more so than Steve, he has more raw natural talent due to performing just as well as Steve against Steve's rogues without having a SSS.

Considering Steve beat Crossbones while depowered, that makes it a better skill feat for him then Bucky doing the same with peak-human stats.

Batroc the Leaper isn't really a major player, lol, Cap found the idea of losing to him downright ridiculous. True, Bucky can contend with some of Cap's toughest foes, but Cap still beats them better from what I've seen. Cap has a pretty decent record against Taskmaster for example, whereas Bucky really couldn't keep up.

Has Bucky ever fought dudes like Red Skull and Baron Zemo? I'd bet they could give him a run for his money.

Cap has fought evenly with Wolverine, gotten the better of Daredevil, and hanged with Spider-Man through sheer martial prowess (Logan and Peter obviously having stat advantages, Peter specifically being miles ahead of Cap, making it a very good skill feat, not to mention Wolverine also being physically superior plus being one of Marvel's greats in terms of skill. DD is another top tier fighter, and is also arguably faster than Cap)

There's also this.

One of the greatest skill feats ever, :P

cap is better skilled and will always win against bucky but bucky did make a cool cap

@nickzambuto said:

@darktiger said:

@nickzambuto said:

@SlimJ87D said:

@nickzambuto said:

@HigorM said:

@nickzambuto: morals off BuckyCap is a beast you know that right?

Indeed I do. I LOVE his scramble with Wolverine as Winter Soldier (when he lured Logan into the printworks and covered himself in ink to confuse his senses, then proceeded to own his ass <3) and he's even better as Cap.

BUT, I don't see him as being Cap's equal in skill. Batman meanwhile, is Cap's superior.

Bucky could make up for it if he had the stats, but I doubt those can match Batman either (feel free to prove me wrong)

I said he's probably better than Nightwing in damn near everything (that's a lot coming from me) but Big Daddy Bats is still above him, ESPECIALLY with gadgets and stealth.

I beg to differ. Bucky said that Steve is 3 times his physical stats, yet he has gone up against Steve's rogues and defeated them fairly well.

Steve's encounter with Crossbones without the SSS was not as impressive as all of Bucky's encounters with Crossbones.

Bucky fought Batroc the leaper, the man with no face, a small private army and an Apache helicopter. He still managed to get a good shield strike that put Batroc out of the fight. So that's pretty good against Batroc.

He defeated 50's Cap twice who is double of Steve's stats and therefore 6 times Bucky's stats, and there wasn't Shield or the Falcon there to help him.

I think Bucky is just as skilled or more so than Steve, he has more raw natural talent due to performing just as well as Steve against Steve's rogues without having a SSS.

Considering Steve beat Crossbones while depowered, that makes it a better skill feat for him then Bucky doing the same with peak-human stats.

Batroc the Leaper isn't really a major player, lol, Cap found the idea of losing to him downright ridiculous. True, Bucky can contend with some of Cap's toughest foes, but Cap still beats them better from what I've seen. Cap has a pretty decent record against Taskmaster for example, whereas Bucky really couldn't keep up.

Has Bucky ever fought dudes like Red Skull and Baron Zemo? I'd bet they could give him a run for his money.

Cap has fought evenly with Wolverine, gotten the better of Daredevil, and hanged with Spider-Man through sheer martial prowess (Logan and Peter obviously having stat advantages, Peter specifically being miles ahead of Cap, making it a very good skill feat, not to mention Wolverine also being physically superior plus being one of Marvel's greats in terms of skill. DD is another top tier fighter, and is also arguably faster than Cap)

There's also this.

One of the greatest skill feats ever, :P

cap is more skilled and will always win against bucky but bucky did make a cool cap

Now it's my turn to say agreed :P

thanks man

@nickzambuto:

When he fought Crossbones, he managed to best him multiple times with different circumstances. He fought him against Sin at the same time, he fought the serpent squad and sin then Crossbones.

When he fought Batroc, you missed the part where he fought a whole private army and a helicopter was firing at him including a fight with the faceless man.

Bucky faces off against the man with no face (huh? Faces off with no face?), Batroc, canon fodder and an APACHE HELICOPTER!

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"Has Bucky ever fought dudes like Red Skull and Baron Zemo? I'd bet they could give him a run for his money."

Actually yes he has!

Against Red Skull he was winning but he began to hold back because he didn't want to harm Steve's body and then Sin shot him in the back at point blank range. red Skull comments that Bucky shouldn't have held back. I do not have the entire fight right now because I am at work. But Bucky was getting in more punches and kicks, Red Skull commented on Bucky holding back and then this happened.

And against Zemo Jr, he pretty much was schooling Zemo, Zemo even comments on being at a disadvantage. Zemo also had a powered exoskeleton, prep, Bucky was drugged on a hallucination drug and there was traps set up for Bucky everywhere. So add Red Skull and Zemo to the list.

Against Baron Zemo Jr.

Baron Zemo was prepped for this fight, had traps and a power suit. Bucky was also drugged and was hallucinating. Bucky still bests him in combat.

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So neither of those two gave Bucky a run for his money.

Steve and Bucky are my favorite two characters. Of course I love Doctor Strange, iron Fist, and a bunch of DC characters too. I am the author of Bucky's respect thread, and I have every scan in all of Steve's respect threads.

http://www.comicvine.com/bucky-barnes/29-40470/bucky-barnes-respect-thread/92-662398/

So even though you and Darktiger decided to agree on something, I have not seen ANY evidence that shows Steve outclassing Bucky in skill and I've only seen evidence of Bucky matching or even surpassing Steve in skill because Bucky has done well against Steve's rogues and he's done it without the SSS, no matter what Steve does, when comparing the two skill for skill Bucky is always going to have a great track record without the SSS. That's why it will be hard for you to actually prove that Steve is more skilled than Bucky.