Bruce lee vs Royce Gracie

Gracie

Not really

Bruce Lee is overrated

"King Saturn said:

"DC_Marvel_1000 said:

"geraldthesloth said:

"Not reallyBruce Lee is overrated "

how is he over rated?"

I think people tend to take what he did on film as actual fact of what he could do in real life... who knows ? Maybe he could have... but to say he could with no real fights to go from is a little bit of a stretch... "

you say stretch i say sense, he did all those things for real, this shows he can do it and maybe top MMA fighters have said that bruce would beat them (chuck norris has been beaten)"

"geraldthesloth said:

"Not reallyBruce Lee is overrated "

I love the sloth"

LOL!

"geraldthesloth said:

"LOL!"

QFT"

If Royce has a gi he could actually pull this off. BJJ isn't something Bruce would be very familiar with, and if Royce could avoid getting hit too hard he might be able to catch Bruce with a quick submission. On the other hand, Royce was knocked out by Matt Hughes. If Bruce keeps it standing for any appreciable amount of time, Royce is in serious trouble.

"If Royce has a gi he could actually pull this off. BJJ isn't something Bruce would be very familiar with, and if Royce could avoid getting hit too hard he might be able to catch Bruce with a quick submission. On the other hand, Royce was knocked out by Matt Hughes. If Bruce keeps it standing for any appreciable amount of time, Royce is in serious trouble."

I don't know anyone who would say Royce's bjj is perfect. He couldn't even beat Sakuraba without steroids.

Though rickson is superior at bjj royce is still at the top of the game.

i've never heard of Bruce Lee being a wrestler as well.

Bruce Lee trained jujitsu and judo with Wally Way. He knew how to grapple.

Even though he practically beat  hidehiko yoshida at pride a top judoka

"I don't know anyone who would say Royce's bjj is perfect. He couldn't even beat Sakuraba without steroids."

"Though rickson is superior at bjj royce is still at the top of the game.i've never heard of Bruce Lee being a wrestler as well."

"Bruce Lee trained jujitsu and judo with Wally Way. He knew how to grapple."

"Korg said:

"I don't know anyone who would say Royce's bjj is perfect. He couldn't even beat Sakuraba without steroids."

Who's Sakuraba? His name gets thrown around a lot.geraldthesloth said:

"Though rickson is superior at bjj royce is still at the top of the game.i've never heard of Bruce Lee being a wrestler as well."

And there goes Rickson's name tossed around again. lol I gotta see his Pride fights.Korg said:

"Bruce Lee trained jujitsu and judo with Wally Way. He knew how to grapple."

Really?! I know he trained in judo but I didn't know he did jujitsu. We can all agree that Gracie's ground game is better but I think Bruce Lee would have enough knowledge to avoid being submitted."

"gunswordfist said:

"Korg said:

"I don't know anyone who would say Royce's bjj is perfect. He couldn't even beat Sakuraba without steroids."

Who's Sakuraba? His name gets thrown around a lot.geraldthesloth said:

"Though rickson is superior at bjj royce is still at the top of the game.i've never heard of Bruce Lee being a wrestler as well."

And there goes Rickson's name tossed around again. lol I gotta see his Pride fights.Korg said:

"Bruce Lee trained jujitsu and judo with Wally Way. He knew how to grapple."

Really?! I know he trained in judo but I didn't know he did jujitsu. We can all agree that Gracie's ground game is better but I think Bruce Lee would have enough knowledge to avoid being submitted."

Sakuraba aka the gracie killer. he's basically beat every gracie besides ricksonRickson is whatever too me he never went 400-0  that's just a cocky ego speaking not many know that he lost a sambo match to a man named ron tripp in 1993it depends if he's been trained to go against someone on gracie's level of bjj"

Yeah the gracies are known for giving themselves too much credit

but you never know gracie is pretty impressive in judo as well he' has possibly the worst striking though :p

Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death.

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

"Yeah the gracies are known for giving themselves too much creditbut you never know gracie is pretty impressive in judo as well he' has possibly the worst striking though :p"

"Yeah the gracies are known for giving themselves too much creditbut you never know gracie is pretty impressive in judo as well he' has possibly the worst striking though :p"

"thats one thing that i really miss from pride the grand prix seeing who truly was the best fighter of the time. i made $80 when jackson fought liddell since i had seen their first fight and none of my friends had that was a great night"

"geraldthesloth said:

"IMO he's probably the most creative fighter i have ever seen.it's sad that he chose to fight mirko cro cop though :\"

His fights against Wanderlei are also epic, but somewhat depressing."

"yeah im almost positive that bj penn destroyed him in a fight a few years ago in hawaii, sloth i couldnt have summed up who sakuraba was any better then that truly some epic fights in pride gunsword if you watch them now youll probably wonder how come when pride got bought out they all came over and got stomped by ufc guys. i personally like pride better just due to the axe kicks and soccer kicks as well as the awesome north-south knees to the head!"

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

"Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

IMO he's probably the most creative fighter i have ever seen.it's sad that he chose to fight mirko cro cop though :\"

"thats one thing that i really miss from pride the grand prix seeing who truly was the best fighter of the time. i made $80 when jackson fought liddell since i had seen their first fight and none of my friends had that was a great night"

"jesterlichloath said:

"yeah im almost positive that bj penn destroyed him in a fight a few years ago in hawaii, sloth i couldnt have summed up who sakuraba was any better then that truly some epic fights in pride gunsword if you watch them now youll probably wonder how come when pride got bought out they all came over and got stomped by ufc guys. i personally like pride better just due to the axe kicks and soccer kicks as well as the awesome north-south knees to the head!"

What's Soccer Kicks? An online MMA fan said that Shogun used to have great soccer kicks. Anyway, everyone talks about who people from Pride got stomped in the UFC. lol I heard Wanderlei's famous Muay Thai cliche disappeared, Shogun lost his UFC debut, a bunch of stuff like that. Wasn't Rampage one of the only successful guys from Pride? I heard he made Chuck his bitch twice.Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

That's pretty damn impressive.geraldthesloth said:

"Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

IMO he's probably the most creative fighter i have ever seen.it's sad that he chose to fight mirko cro cop though :\"

lol I also saw how Cro Cop made the huge Bob Sapp his bitch...with a single punch...jesterlichloath said:

"thats one thing that i really miss from pride the grand prix seeing who truly was the best fighter of the time. i made $80 when jackson fought liddell since i had seen their first fight and none of my friends had that was a great night"

Haha, and it looks like you made your friends look like bitches after you won that bet. I bet they were like 'Oh the Iceman can't lose. He's unstoppable!' lulz"

Soccer kicks are kicks to the head of a downed opponent. They are absolutely vicious, and are banned (with good reason) in the UFC. It's like if you tried to kick you opponent's head off like a soccer ball.

"gunswordfist said:

"jesterlichloath said:

"yeah im almost positive that bj penn destroyed him in a fight a few years ago in hawaii, sloth i couldnt have summed up who sakuraba was any better then that truly some epic fights in pride gunsword if you watch them now youll probably wonder how come when pride got bought out they all came over and got stomped by ufc guys. i personally like pride better just due to the axe kicks and soccer kicks as well as the awesome north-south knees to the head!"

What's Soccer Kicks? An online MMA fan said that Shogun used to have great soccer kicks. Anyway, everyone talks about who people from Pride got stomped in the UFC. lol I heard Wanderlei's famous Muay Thai cliche disappeared, Shogun lost his UFC debut, a bunch of stuff like that. Wasn't Rampage one of the only successful guys from Pride? I heard he made Chuck his bitch twice.Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

That's pretty damn impressive.geraldthesloth said:

"Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

IMO he's probably the most creative fighter i have ever seen.it's sad that he chose to fight mirko cro cop though :\"

lol I also saw how Cro Cop made the huge Bob Sapp his bitch...with a single punch...jesterlichloath said:

"thats one thing that i really miss from pride the grand prix seeing who truly was the best fighter of the time. i made $80 when jackson fought liddell since i had seen their first fight and none of my friends had that was a great night"

Haha, and it looks like you made your friends look like bitches after you won that bet. I bet they were like 'Oh the Iceman can't lose. He's unstoppable!' lulz"

Soccer kicks basically kicking your opponent while there down shogun was the best at this. Wanderleis clinch isn't what it used to be yeah.Dan henderson has came outta pride basically he was the man for a while before it went out and he's coaching a TUF team right nowCro cop broke that useless b@stards orbital bonelol the iceman can lose. thats all he seems to do"

"geraldthesloth said:

"gunswordfist said:

"jesterlichloath said:

"yeah im almost positive that bj penn destroyed him in a fight a few years ago in hawaii, sloth i couldnt have summed up who sakuraba was any better then that truly some epic fights in pride gunsword if you watch them now youll probably wonder how come when pride got bought out they all came over and got stomped by ufc guys. i personally like pride better just due to the axe kicks and soccer kicks as well as the awesome north-south knees to the head!"

What's Soccer Kicks? An online MMA fan said that Shogun used to have great soccer kicks. Anyway, everyone talks about who people from Pride got stomped in the UFC. lol I heard Wanderlei's famous Muay Thai cliche disappeared, Shogun lost his UFC debut, a bunch of stuff like that. Wasn't Rampage one of the only successful guys from Pride? I heard he made Chuck his bitch twice.Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

That's pretty damn impressive.geraldthesloth said:

"Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

IMO he's probably the most creative fighter i have ever seen.it's sad that he chose to fight mirko cro cop though :\"

lol I also saw how Cro Cop made the huge Bob Sapp his bitch...with a single punch...jesterlichloath said:

"thats one thing that i really miss from pride the grand prix seeing who truly was the best fighter of the time. i made $80 when jackson fought liddell since i had seen their first fight and none of my friends had that was a great night"

Haha, and it looks like you made your friends look like bitches after you won that bet. I bet they were like 'Oh the Iceman can't lose. He's unstoppable!' lulz"

Soccer kicks basically kicking your opponent while there down shogun was the best at this. Wanderleis clinch isn't what it used to be yeah.Dan henderson has came outta pride basically he was the man for a while before it went out and he's coaching a TUF team right nowCro cop broke that useless b@stards orbital bonelol the iceman can lose. thats all he seems to do"

Oh yeah, didn't grapplers fear wanderlei's 'soccer kicks' NOT THE FACE! The same friend also said Dan Henderson used to be one of the best of the best. I swear hearing these stories are better than watching the UFC of today. lol"

Anderson Silva fought in PRIDE... he wasn't undefeated there. I'd say he's doing pretty well these days though.

"gunswordfist said:

"geraldthesloth said:

"gunswordfist said:

"jesterlichloath said:

"yeah im almost positive that bj penn destroyed him in a fight a few years ago in hawaii, sloth i couldnt have summed up who sakuraba was any better then that truly some epic fights in pride gunsword if you watch them now youll probably wonder how come when pride got bought out they all came over and got stomped by ufc guys. i personally like pride better just due to the axe kicks and soccer kicks as well as the awesome north-south knees to the head!"

What's Soccer Kicks? An online MMA fan said that Shogun used to have great soccer kicks. Anyway, everyone talks about who people from Pride got stomped in the UFC. lol I heard Wanderlei's famous Muay Thai cliche disappeared, Shogun lost his UFC debut, a bunch of stuff like that. Wasn't Rampage one of the only successful guys from Pride? I heard he made Chuck his bitch twice.Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

That's pretty damn impressive.geraldthesloth said:

"Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

IMO he's probably the most creative fighter i have ever seen.it's sad that he chose to fight mirko cro cop though :\"

lol I also saw how Cro Cop made the huge Bob Sapp his bitch...with a single punch...jesterlichloath said:

"thats one thing that i really miss from pride the grand prix seeing who truly was the best fighter of the time. i made $80 when jackson fought liddell since i had seen their first fight and none of my friends had that was a great night"

Haha, and it looks like you made your friends look like bitches after you won that bet. I bet they were like 'Oh the Iceman can't lose. He's unstoppable!' lulz"

Soccer kicks basically kicking your opponent while there down shogun was the best at this. Wanderleis clinch isn't what it used to be yeah.Dan henderson has came outta pride basically he was the man for a while before it went out and he's coaching a TUF team right nowCro cop broke that useless b@stards orbital bonelol the iceman can lose. thats all he seems to do"

Oh yeah, didn't grapplers fear wanderlei's 'soccer kicks' NOT THE FACE! The same friend also said Dan Henderson used to be one of the best of the best. I swear hearing these stories are better than watching the UFC of today. lol"

I'll find basically the best pride hl i can show you

  

Boondock - Furious Angels - MMA highlights (PRIDE FC)
Uploaded by scarab3099

"

"henderson was really good had two belts in two classes at the same time in pride, hes gotten back into his groove lately but yeah jackson seems to be the only guy to come over and actually get better"

"almost forgot about one of the better pride guys thats done really well nogueira"

"geraldthesloth said:

"gunswordfist said:

"geraldthesloth said:

"gunswordfist said:

"jesterlichloath said:

"yeah im almost positive that bj penn destroyed him in a fight a few years ago in hawaii, sloth i couldnt have summed up who sakuraba was any better then that truly some epic fights in pride gunsword if you watch them now youll probably wonder how come when pride got bought out they all came over and got stomped by ufc guys. i personally like pride better just due to the axe kicks and soccer kicks as well as the awesome north-south knees to the head!"

What's Soccer Kicks? An online MMA fan said that Shogun used to have great soccer kicks. Anyway, everyone talks about who people from Pride got stomped in the UFC. lol I heard Wanderlei's famous Muay Thai cliche disappeared, Shogun lost his UFC debut, a bunch of stuff like that. Wasn't Rampage one of the only successful guys from Pride? I heard he made Chuck his bitch twice.Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

That's pretty damn impressive.geraldthesloth said:

"Korg said:

"Kazushi Sakuraba is a legend in Japanese MMA. He has defeated 4 Gracies, as well as Quinton Jackson, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, and a slew of other opponents who you probably haven't heard of if you're not familiar with MMA in Japan. He is not undefeated by a long shot, but he is renowned for both his sense of humor and his willingness to fight pretty much anyone. I love him to death."

IMO he's probably the most creative fighter i have ever seen.it's sad that he chose to fight mirko cro cop though :\"

lol I also saw how Cro Cop made the huge Bob Sapp his bitch...with a single punch...jesterlichloath said:

"thats one thing that i really miss from pride the grand prix seeing who truly was the best fighter of the time. i made $80 when jackson fought liddell since i had seen their first fight and none of my friends had that was a great night"

Haha, and it looks like you made your friends look like bitches after you won that bet. I bet they were like 'Oh the Iceman can't lose. He's unstoppable!' lulz"

Soccer kicks basically kicking your opponent while there down shogun was the best at this. Wanderleis clinch isn't what it used to be yeah.Dan henderson has came outta pride basically he was the man for a while before it went out and he's coaching a TUF team right nowCro cop broke that useless b@stards orbital bonelol the iceman can lose. thats all he seems to do"

Oh yeah, didn't grapplers fear wanderlei's 'soccer kicks' NOT THE FACE! The same friend also said Dan Henderson used to be one of the best of the best. I swear hearing these stories are better than watching the UFC of today. lol"

I'll find basically the best pride hl i can show you

  

Boondock - Furious Angels - MMA highlights (PRIDE FC)
Uploaded by scarab3099

"

I'll check it out! Thanks!jesterlichloath said:

"henderson was really good had two belts in two classes at the same time in pride, hes gotten back into his groove lately but yeah jackson seems to be the only guy to come over and actually get better"

Really?! I never heard of anyone doing that before. Wasn't Hendo's first UFC fight against Anderson Silva? And Rampage is the only guy I hear who's from Pride and actually did something in the UFC. It's too bad that he's going to run into either Machida or Evans and get stomped on though...I think the sport has pretty much passed him too."