Brotherhood of Evil Mutants vs Sinister Six

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    Mystique w/twin desert eagles, unlimited ammo

    Blob classic version, Class 5 ton strength

    Pyro
    Avalanche
     classic levels w/standard body armor

    Spider-Woman (Julia) classic levels

    Spiral w/4 swords. Hand to hand only, no magic. 

     

    Sinister Six:    
    Doctor Octopus classic levels w/titanium arms

    Electro classic levels

    Kraven the Hunter Sergei-current w/hunting spear, highly durable net & twin hunting knives 

    Lizard classic levels, pre-Shed

    Sandman classic version

    Green Goblin classic levels, standard equipment, no glider

     

    Scenario:

    These two teams face off in Yankees Stadium in New York. This is a random meeting between the two teams. Both teams are at their standard moral levels and looking to steal the previous night's gate profits. The Sinister Six are at homeplate when Spiral teleports her team into a location in the outfield bleachers. They begin roughly 350 feet apart. No BFR via teleportation for Spiral.

     

    Which team takes it?

     

     

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    #2  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

    Is Spiral limited to the swords or can she use magic?
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    #3  Edited By texasdeathmatch

    Tough to say, I'd probably go with the Brotherhood. Although I'm wondering how they could take out Sandman. Could Pyro burn him into glass or something? Or maybe Avalanche opens the ground and BFR's him into the core of the Earth?

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    @k4tzm4n:
    Hmmm...I may outlaw it. her spells are pretty freakin' powerful. What do you think?
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    #5  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
    @texasdeathmatch:
    Avalanche and Pyro would def be the only options to counter Sandman.  
     
    Has Blob ever been electrocuted?  Normally tanks like him (Rhino) have displayed the ability to be harmed by such attacks. 
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    @texasdeathmatch said:
    "Tough to say, I'd probably go with the Brotherhood. Although I'm wondering how they could take out Sandman. Could Pyro burn him into glass or something? Or maybe Avalanche opens the ground and BFR's him into the core of the Earth? "

    Do you think Avalanche could actually control him when he's in sand form?
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    #7  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
    @Jake Fury:
    I know you didn't list it, but are we assuming this is classic Sandman, too?
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    @k4tzm4n:
    Yes, classic Sandman and I removed Spiral's magic attacks. I think it gives her too much of an edge.
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    #9  Edited By Decoy Elite

    Blob's a problem. I can make a case for the Sinister Six once I figure out how they'd beat him....

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    #10  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
    @Jake Fury:
    Follow up question.  Does team 1 have a vacuum? :P
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    @k4tzm4n:
    Well, I've heard rumors about Mystique....
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    #12  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @Jake Fury said:
    " @k4tzm4n: Well, I've heard rumors about Mystique.... "
    I fell out of my chair on that one. Good show!
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    @Decoy Elite:
    Hahaha, thanks.
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    #14  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
    @Decoy Elite: 
    Honestly, I think Electro is the only counter (or Norman's projectile attacks via glove).  Then again, I don't know how well classic  Blob handled explosions (Norman)  Sandman COULD suffocate him, but that's totally OoC.

     
    @Jake Fury:


    LMAO. 
     
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    #15  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @k4tzm4n: Yeah that's what I'm thinking. I'll need to look into how Classic Blob usually gets taken out.
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    @Decoy Elite:
    Daredevil once took him out by dropping a bell tower on his head.
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    #17  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @Jake Fury said:
    " @Decoy Elite: Daredevil once took him out by dropping a bell tower on his head. "
    Oh wow, then a lot of guys on the Sinister Six could take him out. 
     
    Alight, here's my rundown of the fight. 
     
    Mystique: Not really a big problem for the Sinister Six. Every member of the team has a way to counter her bullets and can take her out pretty quickly, in the end she's kind of useless.
     
    Blob: Electro could take him or Otto(Kraven, GG as well) could slam something heavy on his head. 
     
    Pyro: Beyond useless here. One pumpkin bomb is all it take and then that tank of his is going to explode and it's fully within Norman's morals to kill someone in such a way, and I don't see how Pyro's going to stop him. 
     
    Avalanche: One of the trickier members to take out Avalanche might be able to BFR Sandman, but after that he's going to down hard. Probably blitzed by Lizard(who'd be near unaffected by his attacks)
     
    Spider-Woman: Toughest person here and yet so doomed. Everyone on this team is someone who could give Spider-Man a run for his money and it's not different for Spider-Woman here. Electro, Lizard, or Dr.Octopus would probably take her out. 
     
    Spirial: Toughest one to take down. Otto should be able to take her if her swords can't cut through his arms or Lizard if she can't penetrate his skin. Either way any member of team Sinister Six can distract her while the others take down her teammates, then she gets ganged up on and taken down for sure.
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    #18  Edited By karrob

    Brotherhood

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    #19  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @karrob said:
    " Brotherhood "
    Oh ho ho! What makes you say that?
     
    *Puts on debating hat*
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    #20  Edited By ReverseNegative
    @Jake Fury said:
    "@k4tzm4n: Well, I've heard rumors about Mystique.... "

    LOL
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    @Decoy Elite said:
    " @Jake Fury said:
    " @Decoy Elite: Daredevil once took him out by dropping a bell tower on his head. "
    Oh wow, then a lot of guys on the Sinister Six could take him out.   Alight, here's my rundown of the fight.    
     
    Mystique: Not really a big problem for the Sinister Six. Every member of the team has a way to counter her bullets and can take her out pretty quickly, in the end she's kind of useless.   
     
    Blob: Electro could take him or Otto(Kraven, GG as well) could slam something heavy on his head.    
     
    Pyro: Beyond useless here. One pumpkin bomb is all it take and then that tank of his is going to explode and it's fully within Norman's morals to kill someone in such a way, and I don't see how Pyro's going to stop him.    
     
    Avalanche: One of the trickier members to take out Avalanche might be able to BFR Sandman, but after that he's going to down hard. Probably blitzed by Lizard(who'd be near unaffected by his attacks)   
     
    Spider-Woman: Toughest person here and yet so doomed. Everyone on this team is someone who could give Spider-Man a run for his money and it's not different for Spider-Woman here. Electro, Lizard, or Dr.Octopus would probably take her out.    
     
    Spirial: Toughest one to take down. Otto should be able to take her if her swords can't cut through his arms or Lizard if she can't penetrate his skin. Either way any member of team Sinister Six can distract her while the others take down her teammates, then she gets ganged up on and taken down for sure. "


    Just to keep this going I'm going to offer a counter argument!  
     
    Mystique: I think her most dangerous attribute in melee attacks is shape shifting and tricking the other team. I've seen her do it to the Avengers and X-Men many times to gain an advantage. If the fight breaks down and continues into the outlying areas of the stadium she could put this to good use. 
     
    Blob: To be fair the Daredevil bell tower incident was PIS and he had help from a mutant with telekinetic powers. If I'm not mistaken Blob was drunk at the time. (I wish I could make this up, LOL)  I'm not sure there's anything heavy enough in this setting to replicate that questionable feat. 
     
    Pyro: if he's using his tank here he's in trouble. But if's just using flame from a lighter his flamebird creation is going to be dangerous.  
     
    Avalanche: I think he might be the biggest challenge for the Six. If he starts opening up huge chasms and using his abilities to create tidal waves of Earth they're going to have a difficult time avoiding it. 
     
    Spider-Woman: The Six has had plenty of trouble with Spidey in the past they shouldn't have an easy time with her either. 
     
    Spiral: She's handicapped somewhat without her magic but I still think she's extremely dangerous. Not sure of the exact extent of her super strength but it sould be equal to anyone on the SS team. 
     
    Of course I think it can go either way. 
     
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    #22  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @Jake Fury: I agreed that Spiral, Avalanche, and Spider-Woman are the most dangerous. (and Blob I guess if he's even fast enough to hit anyone.)   
     
    I don't think the Sinister wins easily, I just think they win. I'll be more specific in a bit (although I'd prefer to debate someone other than the OP for obvious reasons)
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    #23  Edited By cattlebattle

    I'd vote the Brotherhood 
     
    On account all six members of the Sin Six have trouble with one guy. 
     
    meanwhile the Brotherhood (some incarnations) have held their own or have nearly defeated the X-Men
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    #24  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @cattlebattle said:
    " I'd vote the Brotherhood  On account all six members of the Sin Six have trouble with one guy.  meanwhile the Brotherhood (some incarnations) have held their own or have nearly defeated the X-Men "
    *Cough*ABC logic *cough* 
     
    CIS is why the Sinister Six don't kill Spider-Man when they team up. They never attack him together.
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    #25  Edited By theiconic

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    #26  Edited By thegreatfour
    @Decoy Elite:
    I wonder why nobody has made an RPG out of one of these to see who would win
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    #27  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @thegreatfour said:
    " @Decoy Elite: I wonder why nobody has made an RPG out of one of these to see who would win "
    People have probably made fan fics.
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    #28  Edited By thegreatfour
    @Decoy Elite:  but wouldn't it be neat to pick your character of the team and battle it out with the other
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    #29  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @thegreatfour said:
    " @Decoy Elite:  but wouldn't it be neat to pick your character of the team and battle it out with the other "
    I think a Spider-Man RPG was done before and it was rather successful(although it happened long before I arrived here).
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    #30  Edited By thegreatfour
    @Decoy Elite: you could prove your sinister six theory
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    #31  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @thegreatfour said:
    " @Decoy Elite: you could prove your sinister six theory "
    Lol, not really how battles work. It's not a theory either, anyone who's read a story with the Sinister Six know that they all suddenly become incompetent and only attack Spider-Man one on one.
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    #32  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
    @Decoy Elite:
    Yuuuup.  And they get mad at each other.
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    #33  Edited By thegreatfour
    @Decoy Elite: I think that was their whole plan the first time they assembled
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    #34  Edited By Decoy Elite
    @k4tzm4n said:
    " @Decoy Elite: Yuuuup.  And they get mad at each other. "
    That too.  
    @thegreatfour said:
    " @Decoy Elite: I think that was their whole plan the first time they assembled "
    Exactly but if you look at what they do individually, they're much more tactical. Kraven's the only one who should really go the loner route IMO.
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    #35  Edited By Demogoblin1414

    Sinster six cant even beat spiderman.

    Spider women can do everything spiderman can do , well almost. Doc Ock has only titanium arms? okay then ! He is not moving the blob or hurting the blob

    You guys just answered your own question . "Pyro turns sand man into glass "to say "he is useless against Green Goblin is stupid ." Pyro can make actual living fire creatures that goblin has no way of putting out the flames. He usually makes two or three fire creatures that have a singurality that operate on their own free -will ( you guys know nothing about Pyro)

    I can see Spider women beating Kraven the hunter after a long and grueling fight she is stronger than him . Avalanche can Ko most of the sinster six before the fight even starts

    Electro will be the hardest part but mystique is very smart and a good leader she would probably shape shift herself into the sinster six teamates and lure electro into frying his own teamates and then if they all gang up on electro they have different types of energy projections to take him down. Spiral could teleport out of the sky and cut electros head off

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    Honestly this is down to Sandman/Blob and Flint's versatility wins out there.

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    Honestly this is down to Sandman/Blob and Flint's versatility wins out there.

    Wouldn't Pyro be able to do something to Sandman?

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    @geekryan said:
    @professorrespect said:

    Honestly this is down to Sandman/Blob and Flint's versatility wins out there.

    Wouldn't Pyro be able to do something to Sandman?

    Fire is inconsistent against the guy, he's blocked Human Torch's stuff numerous times so this dude shouldn't be much of a issue at all, especially when he can't even make flames by himself.

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    @geekryan said:
    @professorrespect said:

    Honestly this is down to Sandman/Blob and Flint's versatility wins out there.

    Wouldn't Pyro be able to do something to Sandman?

    Fire is inconsistent against the guy, he's blocked Human Torch's stuff numerous times so this dude shouldn't be much of a issue at all, especially when he can't even make flames by himself.

    I had forgotten about the Human Torch stuff, so yeah, fair enough.