Broly vs Omega Shenron

@reikai: just because GT sucked doesn't it's characters are weak. wanking Broly doesn't make him stronger either.

@pope052:@ssjlozza: exactly OS stomps

@xlab3000 said:

@reikai: ssj4 goku don't have feats compared to ssj goku lol. going by your logic Nappa would easily beat Ginyu since he doesn't have any city busting feats. Broly the fastest character in the Dragonball Multiverse lol. Broly did not annihilated the entire south galaxy did you even watch the movie. Broly was a ssj while destroying bits of the galaxy he was not a rssj. Paragus would have died along time ago. going by official Guides Bills>Broly. Bills is the strongest movie villain. Bills defeated the z fighters in seconds and it took Broly minutes to do that. GT's numbers aren't official. it's just like you ignored my entire post. you keep going by video game power levels ssj2 vegeta pl 6 billion the video game also said ssj gogeta 2.5 billion. so I guess ssj2 vegeta>ssj gogeta. you are going by non canon power levels. his power isn't rising that was a english dub error. really the genkidama defeated beacuse it was positive energy then what about ssj4 gogeta's big bang kamehameha that wasn't made of negative energy. Broly nowhere to being the strongest of the Dragonball Multiverse. even Majin Vegeta wrecks Broly. Omega Shenron was speulated to be a galaxy buster. your feat argument is flawed. so I guess Frieza can beat Cell since Cell has no planet busting feats either huh. there were other stars and a gigantic planet left not jus New Planet Vegeta did you even watch the movie. reikai you make no sense at all, you go by non canon material and you make up your facts. you are the worst Broly wanker I had ever met. you can keep saying Broly is the fastest and strongest in Dragonball Multiverse all you want but that doesn't change the fact he gets stomped by other DBZ and GT characters. now quit being a wanker.

@the_last_kryptonian

: they were not fighting on remnants. how stupid can you be? what about the other planet and stars Broly didn't destroy. watch 12:32-13:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXrnBUV_03o

so a destroyed galaxy has stars and planets left over. huge hole in your logic. OWNED. Broly is

FAR INFERIOR

to Omega Shenron get over it.

@god_spawn

@deranged_midget

please lock this for being a mismatch

It's funny that you think I'm rooting for Broly in this fight. Fact is, that picture is dead on accurate, but your ignorance of Broly is really annoying. Those left over stars ARE remnants, idiot. What would YOU consider remnants? Fact is, there's no telling how far away those stars were away when goku was flying pass them. At night, when you look in the sky, you see billions of stars each in different galaxies. Since goku didn't directly come into contact with any of the stars, there's really no telling how far they were away. For all we know, they could have been in some OTHER galaxy. Anyway, what I'm saying is, those left over planets WERE remains. Kind of like how when you eat a sandwich crumbs are left over. Just because I didn't eat the crumbs from my sandwich doesn't mean I didn't eat the whole sandwich. Common sense bro.

Fixed.

@ssjlozza:

In essence, Broly being a galaxy buster is more or less meaningless,

It's not meaningless, because it displayed a level of power that no DBZ/GT character has ever displayed until Toriyama created Birus.

except that it suggests that all late Z characters are.

No, it doesn't. Because Brolly falls outside the Main series canon. He's not canon to the Main Story, so they don't benefit from his performance. Cell is stated as a Solar System buster. Brolly actually demonstrated Galaxy Busting in an underpowered state. That puts Brolly's output many thousands of times greater than any DBZ character has ever displayed until the introduction of Birus.

We go by the evidence that has been displayed, and Brolly has never been defeated by a single individual, and even suggested that Fusion characters like Gogeta and Vegetto can barely even contend with him. GT is a non-canon series with more inconsistencies in it than Superman comics. Their own Power Level charts place them as being weaker than Buu Saga figures, and even the DBGT Perfect Files are full of holes and inconsistencies.

Such as saying that Pan couldn't got SSJ because her Saiyan Blood was too thin at 1/4th Saiyan, and yet both Goku Jr and Vegeta jr 100yrs later, turn SSJ and their Saiyan Blood is 1/16th Saiyan. Which means the GT Perfect Files are full of crap.

broly is buu level , OS in ssj4 gokus mother

@reikai: actually their 1/25 saiyan *

@nighthunder: No, Brolly is Birus level. Because he was busting galaxies before anyone else even knew you could. And we know what Birus does to people.

1:33 in

Let's face it, I haven't seen one shred of evidence from anyone as to how Shenron could even pose a threat to Brolly.

@reikai: Its simple , Base goku at ssj1 could beat broly with the energy of his friends , And since both buu and broly destroyed galaxies ,its likelytheir on the same level ,SSj3 goku could beat buu , and base gt goku as = to ssj3 goku , And OS was bitching ssj4 goku. OS>Broly.

Plot Device. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. Even the Writing Staff knew they had to use it because they made Brolly too powerful to be beaten by any other means.

And, btw, that's Full Power SSJ Goku, Ultra SSJ Vegeta, Ultra SSJ Mirai Trunks, Super Namek Piccolo and Full Power SSJ Gohan.

Respective Power Levels of the movie;

Goku: 3billion

Gohan: 2.5billion

Vegeta: 1.8billion

Piccolo: unstated. Near Vegeta's

Trunks: unstated. Slightly below Vegeta's.

Brolly: 7.4billion at the time he transformed

And then Goku, Gohan and Trunks all received a moderate Zenkai upgrade after Brolly pounded them into the ground and Piccolo restored them all to full health with senzu beans. Which means they all got a bit stronger, and Brolly was still manhandling the entire crew with ease, while his own power kept increasing automatically.

Let's put it to the math. 3bil + 2.5 + 1.8+ 1.5 for Piccolo and Trunks each + Zenkai to Goku, Gohan and Trunks = 10.3billion + Zenkai% increase. Which means by the end of Movie 8, Brolly had already moved over the 10billion mark, and the Highest marking that GT fans and officials have on Omega Shenron, was 9.3billion.

The numbers themselves support GT being vastly inferior to DBZ. Saying Shenron beat SS4's is meaningless when the entire cast is vastly weaker than their DBZ counterparts, which is proven by the numbers. You say Brolly is Buu level? Well Super Buu was 32billion and that's eight over SS3 Goku's 24billion.

Do you know that Cooler's Ultimate form is a 903x increase from his Base Level? And he still got beat by a SS1 Goku even though SS1 is only a 50x increase? SS4 having a 4000x multiplier is meaningless when Goku and the rest of the casts base levels have been decreased by the writers by a massive degree.

For cripes sake they had SS4 Goku's maxed PL in GT at 4.1billion. That puts his Base Fricken Level at 102,500. That's Scarcely above what he had when he landed on Namek! Seriously, the GT staff did a horrible, horrible job. So horrible they can't even do basic multiplication and addition. Goku as a SS2 in the Buu Saga was 6billion. They effectively made SS4 weaker than SS2.

You honestly can't claim to use Power Scaling to say Shenron is stronger, when the writers scaled the power of the series down into the fricken abyss when they started the GT project, and they based it off the Dragon Ball Manga from when Goku was a kid with more of its silliness and quirks that were thrown out along the way into DBZ.

@reikai:

Going by your logic, Pre Crisis Superman would stomp a Fully Powered Galactus because he sneezed away a galaxy.

Feats are useless in a debate when one characters is severely outmatched by the other, they only factor into arguments when both characters have a chance against each other.

Broly has no chance,

And for the record, just because Goku or anyone else hasn't busted a galaxy doesn't mean they couldn't.

Why would Goku pointlessly destroy a galaxy? He wouldn't because it conflicts with his morals, but that in no way means he couldn't do it...

I mean there's really no point in talking common sense into you, it goes over your head. Otherwise, you're plain out wanking Broly...

@pope052:

Going by your logic, Pre Crisis Superman would stomp a Fully Powered Galactus because he sneezed away a galaxy.

That was a solar system, not a galaxy. And Galactus is a Universe-Buster when fully fed, and can vape the Multiverse if using the Ultimate Nullifier. So, your argument is invalid.

Feats are useless in a debate when one characters is severely outmatched by the other, they only factor into arguments when both characters have a chance against each other.

And how do we know who is better than the other guy? Oh, right. Feat and Abilities Demonstrated by the Characters. Gee and here I thought it was down to whoever screamed the loudest in Kindergarten.

Broly has no chance,

According to a bunch of people who can't even Prove their character can do anything more than suck his thumb and crap himself? Sorry, but your Opinion isn't evidence.

And for the record, just because Goku or anyone else hasn't busted a galaxy doesn't mean they couldn't.

Unless they Visually show they can or it's stated in an Official Source, such as the Daizenshuu, by the Company in their source material like V-Jump, or by Akira Toriyama himself, then you know it actually means they CAN'T do it.

Even trying to be fair, this is probably how it would look and end.