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Broly VS Cell
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Oh, and let me also mention that neither Goku nor Gohan even fought at full SJJ1 power against Broly. Goku fought at regular SJJ and so did Gohan, where as they both powered up to USSJ3 against Cell and still couldn't win, I'll show you.
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wait why would Gohan not fight broly in SS2...does that even make sense....
I think he was SS2 because it says so in the wikia...but it mentions budget issues so they didnt put the whole lighting effect
Broly wins. This isn't close. We go over this each time Broly comes up. Broly destroys galaxies with ease. Perfect Cell brags about having the power to destroy a solar system.
That's right...Broly busted a galaxy on screen already. He simply cannot be beaten!" Broly wins. This isn't close. We go over this each time Broly comes up. Broly destroys galaxies with ease. Perfect Cell brags about having the power to destroy a solar system. "
"@MisterGuyMan said:That's right...Broly busted a galaxy on screen already. He simply cannot be beaten! "" Broly wins. This isn't close. We go over this each time Broly comes up. Broly destroys galaxies with ease. Perfect Cell brags about having the power to destroy a solar system. "
Broly ssj1 is a galaxy buster, whereas superperfect cell is a solar system buster. I think the feats are clear.
The combined powerlevel of vegeta, goku, trunks, gohan and piccolo, (which is very close to when they fought cell, as gohan was a ssj), took down goku, whereas ssj2 gohan was enough to take down cell.
People seem to forget that Trunks almost had the power of a ssj2 but was too slow. So goku had all that power without sacrificing speed. Goku that defeated Broly was very strong indeed, stronger than gohan ssj2.
Broly beats the stuffing out of Cell.
Bump Broly no argument there. His Legendary level is too unpredictable for cell and he fought a mastered ssj goku that cell despite not using all his power had problems with.
Have to say Broly still.
Kinda funny with these characters.
Cell claimed he could destroy the solar system with his attack, but never showed it. -Hyperbole.
Broly destroyed a galaxy/or some of it on screen but never showed how he did it. - Not sure what you would call that.
@OmegaDynasty said:
Have to say Broly still. Kinda funny with these characters. Cell claimed he could destroy the solar system with his attack, but never showed it. -Hyperbole. Broly destroyed a galaxy/or some of it on screen but never showed how he did it. - Not sure what you would call that.
Enough to say he wins this match. Broly with a mysterious galaxy destroying attack ftw.
Broly's power level is maximum.
And Broly is a galaxy buster. Just because it didn't explode instantaneously or expand uniformly doesn't reduce the level of a feat it is.
If they ever fought the match would be like this
Seriously Cell is not even in Broly leagues, Broly beat gohan so hard he passed out and went to base, He couldn't even fly out of the lava way. Not to mention movie 10 Gohan is said to be stronger. Broly 3 shot gohan. Gohan > SPC, Broly is going to god stomp cell
Power scaling Broly
Feats Broly
I believe it was perfect cell who claimed to be able to bust a system, SPC would be far stronger considering PC couldn't hurt Ssj2 Gohan at all. I'll say multi/cluster system. Broly destroyed a galaxy to the point where it was at least not a technical galaxy anymore, so he's a multi-system-cluster/black hole buster (at least the material feeding into it). Broly also survived in the sun until blown to earth so his durability is absolutely insane. How many Saiyans it took is sorta irrelevant, they could both solo the entire cast at their given time, the only reason a weaker Gohan beat Broly was because if help and the fact that Broly couldn't heal. Cell can regen, but was eviscerated by a guy who MATCHED his power. Broly if anything exceeds his power by w.e. degree and could thus fry the sob. From full health, its Broly every time.
Cell got whooped by a ssj1 Goku. Broly beat the entire team of Z fighters. Cell can destory a world or 2 at most. Broly has enough powerful to destroy a galaxy. HOW can Cell compare? He'd have to absorb Goku before he could have a CHANCE of winning.
Cell got whooped by a ssj1 Goku. Broly beat the entire team of Z fighters. Cell can destory a world or 2 at most. Broly has enough powerful to destroy a galaxy. HOW can Cell compare? He'd have to absorb Goku before he could have a CHANCE of winning.
I'm not trying to say Cell wins, but Cell in Perfect Form was toying at about 70% power with SSJ1 Goku. Goku even said himself that Cell wasn't going all out yet Goku was still having a hard time keeping up, and Cell thought Goku was the most skilled out of all he'd faced so far, yet he still wasn't near his Perfect form's power. And Super Perfect Cell owned SSJ2 Gohan, and only lost because he was distracted by Vegeta. Cell in Super Perfect was a solar system buster. And contrary to popular fanboy belief, Broly cannot beat any being higher than SSJ2. He is at SSJ2 at best. Just because he has unlimited power doesn't mean he can get more powerful little by little until he becomes a god. Broly was beat by a SSJ1 Goku with the power of all the other Z fighters, which roughly puts him at Super Vegeta's level, who Cell owned. Then count the fact Broly's power boost in Second Coming, he should be about SSJ2 level or slightly higher.
Broly still wins, but not by a lot.
@retconcrisis: you are right.
The End of all your Hopes
nice video.
about the thread, people here are confusing between canon characters and non-canon characters, when they are completly different in power scale.
if this is Canon Super Perfect Cell vs Broly, Cell lose in a godstomp, Cell is only a solar system buster, while Broly is confirmed Galaxy buster.
if this is non-canon Super Perfect Cell vs Broly, then going by the fights where Broly lost and Cell lost, i'll say they are very close, i can't tell for sure but i think Super Perfect Cell wins this with big difficulty
@all_mighty_beyonder: M10 Broly beat SSj2 Gohan in 3 hits, Who said he was a lot more stronger than the last time they met. SPC got beaten by a weaker Gohan, While a Stronger gohan admitted that anything he does would be useless against broly
Broly tanked and crushed him in 3 hits
@all_mighty_beyonder: As it stands, Brolly has greater feats than the entire DBZ cast, and their biggest moves couldn't even scratch him without a Plot-Device. Cell loses both times.
@all_mighty_beyonder: M10 Broly beat SSj2 Gohan in 3 hits, Who said he was a lot more stronger than the last time they met. SPC got beaten by a weaker Gohan, While a Stronger gohan admitted that anything he does would be useless against broly
Broly tanked and crushed him in 3 hits
@all_mighty_beyonder: As it stands, Brolly has greater feats than the entire DBZ cast, and their biggest moves couldn't even scratch him without a Plot-Device. Cell loses both times.
agreed, i thought this is Broly from his fist movie only.
@sirmethos: Even Broly from the first movie wins this. Cell fought Goku 1 on 1 and was almost beaten. Ssj2 was overkill. Broly took on 4 ssjs and a super namek at once.
@redmonkeyssj4: Actually, Cell was not even close to beaten. Even Goku himself, said flat out that he couldn't beat Cell. And that was before the Zenkai he got from his self-detonation.
And Broly, in the first movie, was defeated by a SS with a slight power-boost.
@all_mighty_beyonder No, Cell is not a solar system buster, and no, Broly is not a "confirmed galaxy-buster".
There is not a single place in any of the movies, that shows concrete proof of Broly destroying even solar systems, let alone a galaxy.
@sirmethos: there is 2 instances from the 1st movie that prove Broly is galaxy buster,
- 1st where the galaxy is shown destroyed, then King Kai gets suddenly freaked out and calls immediately Goku
- 2nd, when Goku figures out and says that Broly is the one who destroyed the galaxy
and those are on-screen and correct dub evidences.
Cell is confirmed Solar system buster, by different canon sources :
- Cell's statement from the manga (but this statement with no back up proof is susceptible to boasts and hyperboles)
- DBZ databooks (ligitimate confimation that Cell's statement in manga is no more a possibility to be a lie)
@redmonkeyssj4: Actually, Cell was not even close to beaten. Even Goku himself, said flat out that he couldn't beat Cell. And that was before the Zenkai he got from his self-detonation.
And Broly, in the first movie, was defeated by a SS with a slight power-boost.
@all_mighty_beyonder No, Cell is not a solar system buster, and no, Broly is not a "confirmed galaxy-buster".
There is not a single place in any of the movies, that shows concrete proof of Broly destroying even solar systems, let alone a galaxy.
You do realize how little sense his defeat in the first movie makes, right? When they added their power to Goku's they were battle worn, and not even Super Saiyans. Since they were battle worn, they would have had significantly less power to give to Goku. Goku was battle worn as well, and had a lot less power than when he initially transformed into a Super Saiyan. That being said, I doubt their added power would have been enough to even restore Goku to full Super Saiyan power, so how could it have been enough to defeat Broly?
I mean, I know Broly is defeatable, but I don't think a battle worn Super Saiyan Goku with the added power of a battle worn z team (who weren't even super saiyans, which multiplies their power by 50.) would be enough to one shot an unscathed Broly. I think Broly died because he had too much energy built up in him, and Goku managed to release a bit of his own Ki into Broly, causing him to overflow and explode. If you noticed throughout the movie, Broly had to continuously release energy while remaining an LSSJ.
@randumo24: Bojack, seriously? Ultra-perfect Cell might have been more powerful than Broly in his FIRST APPEARANCE (I totally agree with that), but not after he became more powerful due to Saiyan physiology.
1. Tell me, at which point, exactly, is it actually said that the galaxy has been destroyed?
First there is the animation of the galaxy moving, and the lights disappearing while it moves. Then the narrator says "The southern galaxy is under super saiyan attack"(original japanese dub). After which, King Kai says "T- then, the Southern Galaxy is really being..."(original japanese dub). Both statements showing that the galaxy still exists. It can't be under attack, if it doesn't exist.
We also see in flashbacks, that Broly has been in the South Galaxy since he was a kid.
When we see the night sky(from the planet in the South Galaxy) there are just as many stars as there is in any other night sky we see in the other movies.
What we do see, and directly hear, is that Broly has destroyed a few planets. And that Paragus has used him to kill the majority of the life in the galaxy. Which is consistent with everything else, as well as the other movies. In Fusion Reborn, one of the movies after the one with Broly, we see South Kai again, with people from the South Galaxy participating in the Other World Tournament, with far less participants than he had in the first appearance of the tournament. Which is consistent with Broly and Paragus decimating the life in the galaxy.
2. Goku also never says anything about Broly destroying anything, even in the english dub. He says "that's the energy I was following", and "He's the one. The Legendary Super Saiyan.", but that just indicates that Broly was the one he was looking for. Namely, the Super Saiyan that was "attacking" the Southern Galaxy.
3. The Daizenshuu actually contradicts itself on that point. That's why it's one of the things that are still being debated, even among DBZ fans.
And Power-Scaling(which DBZ fans are usually thrilled to use) contradicts it. Regardless, even if he is a Solar System buster, and a confirmed one at that, he is still more powerful than Broly was in the first movie. Especially after his Zenkai.
@the_last_kryptonian Actually, his defeat does make sense. It is consistent with what has been seen in the Manga and Anime, namely that just a small percentage of power superiority, is enough to casually smack around the opponent. It is also consistent with the fact that the movie takes place just before the Cell Games, making Broly just a tiny bit weaker than Cell at that point(following the progression of power levels in the villains, a trend that has been consistent throughout all of DB and DBZ).
Broly was slightly stronger than either of the Z-fighters individually, which effectively allowed him to punt them around. But when they pooled what power they had left, it was enough to give Goku that tiny edge he needed to put in the final attack to take him down.
1. Tell me, at which point, exactly, is it actually said that the galaxy has been destroyed?
First there is the animation of the galaxy moving, and the lights disappearing while it moves. Then the narrator says "The southern galaxy is under super saiyan attack"(original japanese dub). After which, King Kai says "T- then, the Southern Galaxy is really being..."(original japanese dub). Both statements showing that the galaxy still exists. It can't be under attack, if it doesn't exist.
We also see in flashbacks, that Broly has been in the South Galaxy since he was a kid.
When we see the night sky(from the planet in the South Galaxy) there are just as many stars as there is in any other night sky we see in the other movies.
What we do see, and directly hear, is that Broly has destroyed a few planets. And that Paragus has used him to kill the majority of the life in the galaxy. Which is consistent with everything else, as well as the other movies. In Fusion Reborn, one of the movies after the one with Broly, we see South Kai again, with people from the South Galaxy participating in the Other World Tournament, with far less participants than he had in the first appearance of the tournament. Which is consistent with Broly and Paragus decimating the life in the galaxy.
2. Goku also never says anything about Broly destroying anything, even in the english dub. He says "that's the energy I was following", and "He's the one. The Legendary Super Saiyan.", but that just indicates that Broly was the one he was looking for. Namely, the Super Saiyan that was "attacking" the Southern Galaxy.
3. The Daizenshuu actually contradicts itself on that point. That's why it's one of the things that are still being debated, even among DBZ fans.
And Power-Scaling(which DBZ fans are usually thrilled to use) contradicts it. Regardless, even if he is a Solar System buster, and a confirmed one at that, he is still more powerful than Broly was in the first movie. Especially after his Zenkai.
@the_last_kryptonian Actually, his defeat does make sense. It is consistent with what has been seen in the Manga and Anime, namely that just a small percentage of power superiority, is enough to casually smack around the opponent. It is also consistent with the fact that the movie takes place just before the Cell Games, making Broly just a tiny bit weaker than Cell at that point(following the progression of power levels in the villains, a trend that has been consistent throughout all of DB and DBZ).
Broly was slightly stronger than either of the Z-fighters individually, which effectively allowed him to punt them around. But when they pooled what power they had left, it was enough to give Goku that tiny edge he needed to put in the final attack to take him down.
hallelujah. Seems only you and Pope know what is really what about this Broly BS. Thank you for saying once again what Pope has gotten tired of saying after these countless threads.
@stupid_people: You see, I actually listened to the Japanese dub, and it doesn't say "is under attack" it said "the southern galaxy has been attacked by a super saiya-jin" and King Kai confirms this event. I know this because I actually Listened and I have a few Japanese/English translation books lying around.
All I hear from you is the same BS as being blown out in those "debunking" videos which are chock full of BS. And. btw, it was never stated in the flashbacks that he was in the South Galaxy. That's just pure conjecture with No Evidence.
@mrdirector786: That's true he did get beaten by a fssj. However you fail to admit that Goku absorbed the strength of a Ultra Trunks which is stronger then a ssj2 but alot slower, 2 fssj you know the one's that fought perfect cell to a stand still Super Vageta who's final flash blew perfect cells body in half. Which Broly tanked, and a Super Namekian who fought on par with android 17, and was actually kinda winning the fight.
That's roughly the power of a Ssj3 at a lower level. Because a Ssj1 is 100x stronger then base form, a ssj2 is the power level of 2 ssj, and a ssj3 is the power level of 8 ssj.
Cell was beat down by one ssj2, regenerated and was killed by a ssj2 who lost half of his power when he caught him off guard and broke his arm. Broly tanked a Kamehameha to the face, not only that he tanked a combined blast from Gohan,Trunks, Vegeta and Piccolo's blast at point blank range. That's way stronger then that instant tranmission kamehameha wave that blew cell in half, not to mention the final flash.
Then he came back, whooped on 2 full powered super sayains which are stronger then a ssj, As shown when goku fought perfect cell and Vageta lost to android 18. He beats down Gohan in his ssj2 form, takes down videl which is not really a factor, then 2 full powered super sayains, ko'ed krillen the strongest human on the planet by barely tapping him which really isn't a factor either. Then beam struggles with 2 ssj2's that's the equivalent of 4 ssj and a fssj1 which is like a 1.8 ssj. He's borderline ssj3 powerlevel at it's weakest, his power would have kelp growing if trunks didn't shoot a force field at his blast to stop him from charging it up.
Then on top of that Broly didn't even die from being shot by the triple finish kamehameha, He didn't even die from the sun. He died because he was under so much stress from his own power plus the kamehameha, and the 2 goku look alikes and his kids beat him. He had a heart attack and his heart exploded. While he was in the sun, in short Broly was never killed he died of natural (un natural causes). He's almost considered undefeated. Except he lost 1 time to goku with that super punch.
Plus the difference between Broly and Cell is that Broly fought all the Z fighters at the same time. Cell fought them 1 by 1 and Broly on the other hand in the middle of a fight continues to get stronger, and if he get's defeated and lives get's a extreme zenkai boost. Cell does to, however how can he fair against someone that continuously get's stronger as they fight. When his only trump card is a zenkai boost, But by the time Cell reaches it Broly is already at the same powerlevel and getting stronger as the fight goes on. That's if of course he does not choose to end him completely
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