Broly & SPC vs Vegeta Ssj2 & Kid Gohan Ssj2

• Broly does not have infinite Chi for this battle.
• NO BROLY WANK EITHER.
• Broly is in his LSSJ form.
• Super Perfect Cell.
• Vegeta Ssj2 Pre-Majin, NOT Majin Vegeta.
• Kid Gohan Ssj2 during the Cell Games.
• Battle in the World of The Kai's.
• To the death.
• 60 second pre.
• Teams work together.

I feel Broly is weaker than SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ2 Vegeta.

As for Super Perfect Cell, I felt he was stronger than Gohan since before he started the beam struggle, I think he said something along the lines of "Now enough playing around!" yet was able to mess up Gohan's arm with a generic ki blast.

I'm not sure where to place Pre Majin SSJ2 Vegeta against Cell (In fact I've seen some debate Vegeta only unlocked SSJ2 after he gained Majin powers).

In the end, I'm going with Team 2 since Gohan will probably release all his potential against Cell like the show.

Broly solo stomps.

None have the feats to match him.

You mean the feats when Goku in normal Super Saiyan beat him in one shot?

Or the feats where a un-trained, rusty Gohan beat him?

Broly flexes Team 2 into oblivion.

Stand there waiting for the 61's second > Flex > Team 2 + Cell = dead.

Inb4 PCB wank

Wait, no, too late. Shit

@pr0d1gy: We're using PIS now?

Movie 8 Goku overloaded him with Ki, causing him to explode.

Movie 10 Goku/Gohan/Goten Tri-PIS-Kamehameha'd him.

Anyway, Broly destroys the solar system and solos.

@perethorn said:

That was Vegeta during his initial RoSaT trip.

Vegeta than goes in for a second trip.

7 years pass and Vegeta gets more powerful and attains a new Ssj transformation.

Vegeta one shot Broly LSSJ (M6).

He's too weak to be in this thread and that feat is essentially useless for the debate at hand.

@pr0d1gy said:

@perethorn said:

That was Vegeta during his initial RoSaT trip.

Vegeta than goes in for a second trip.

7 years pass and Vegeta gets more powerful and attains a new Ssj transformation.

Vegeta one shot Broly LSSJ (M6).

He's too weak to be in this thread and that feat is essentially useless for the debate at hand.

I know, i'm just toying around

I hate debating Broly

Feats are feats.

Goku in normal Super Saiyan one shotted him.

A 'rusty, un-trained Gohan'beat him with the aid of Goten, not Goku. It was reminiscent of when Gohan beat Cell. Goku was only there to root Gohan on and motivate him.

@pr0d1gy: You obviously haven't watched the movies.

Surely have.

@pr0d1gy: Trunks pees on broly face

@pr0d1gy: Then you'd know Goku transferred all his absorbed Ki into Broly and made him explode.

And Goki/Gohan/Goten did a Tri-Kamehameha through the sun. Which is PIS because Broly has taken a full power Kamehameha to the face from MSSJ Goku.

All movie endings are PIS, you're just trying to lowball.

Feats are feats.

The feats show Broly is weaker than a duo of a rusty Teen Gohan Ssj2 & Goten Ssj Pre-ROST.

@pr0d1gy: "Feats Are Feats."

Broly stomped SSJ2 Gohan and Goten/Trunks

Broly destroys the galaxy and solos.

You lack DBZ knowledge if you honestly think this.

First Gohan never got weaker, especially if movie 10 where he said he powered up considerably, this is non-canon not canon. Same non-canon that had SSj Goku > Mystic gohan.

Also Gohan never got weaker in canon, he lack training thus couldn't access his rage boost as when he killed Cell, also had bad fighting skills. He still rivalled someone stronger then Cell as stated, love to know where he got weaker. Vegeta statements all targeted Gohan when he killed Cell, which was rage boost. Because of peace of time, Gohan couldn't access that power.

A normal SSJ ? Goku was MSSJ and he got his ass kicked, only with the power of the Z fighters together he beat Broly. All the Z fighters where Cell games level. That's common sense, when the Z fighters got out of the time chamber, Trunks hair was short, only after Trunks finished his second ROSAT, his hair was long.

Plus Broly was stated to be the strongest saiyan until movie 12, so sorry, I don't think the creator made him face weak characters lol.

Team 2. Broly is a non factor

ssj2 Vegeta takes this, he is more powerful than ssj2 Gohan, and not so kind.

Broly would belt team 2 himself alone. Let alone being a non-factor.

Honestly I now finally notice why I stopped debating for Broly.

Feats are feats.

Broly was hurt by a rusty Gohan Ssj2 and defeated by Gohan Ssj2 + Goten Ssj.

@pr0d1gy: No he wasn't lol. Keep spouting BS,

I'm having a good laugh.

Goku & Vegeta say Gohan got weaker. Vegeta says Gohan was weaker during the Budokai when he transforms into Ssj2.

MSSJ is simply a more controlled version of Ssj without the loss of Chi, not a more powerful version.

The Daizenshuu makes errors and the manga always has authority over it. Therefore your final argument is incorrect. Broly from movie 10 is around Super Perfect Cell level of power.

And Janemba was hurt by Base Goku and Vegeta, feats are feats :) And hurt ? Yeah because that big invincible scratch really was showing lol after Broly belted him in 3 hits.

Play this down playing some where buddy, it's obvious Broly downplay logic

If you're going to sit there a call all of the movie endings PIS, then Broly's Galaxy destroying feat is an outlier and heavily inconsistent since he never demonstates that type of speed or power again in the following 2 movies after the first.

Feats are feats.

Broly lost to a rusty Teen Gohan and child.

Movies are not canon.

@pr0d1gy: Man, you must really hate Broly.

I'm just logical and don't wank any character for any reason.

@pr0d1gy: @strictlyanime:

@pr0d1gy: So I bet whenever you debate against Thanos you show him getting arrested by the cops?

Actually no, Thanos is a very imposing character in the Marvel Universe, just a step down from Skyfather level.

Please bro, pay attention to what they say, first they say Gohan is weaker then when he killed Cell. Goku didn't even know when he asked Gohan in wait for Bibidi if that he got stronger then before. Even Vegeta stated it's unknown what he can do if he got angry.

Gohan's 'Growing up' Guide wrote:

HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT

First Appears: Vol. 36-42

Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.

HIGH SCHOOL ERA SUPER SAIYAN 2

First Appears: Vol. 37

During the Tenkaichi Budoukai he transforms at Kibito's request. Because he couldn't gain power from anger and because he hadn't been training, he doesn't have the same battle power as when he defeated Cell.

Goten's 'Growing Up' Guide wrote:

YOUNG ADULTHOOD

First Appears: Vol. 42

Ten years after the battle with Majin Buu, Goten had completely become a young man, and had changed his hair as well. Since peace had thrown off his training, power-wise he hasn't had any explosive growth since when he was a boy.

Chibi Trunks' 'Growing Up' Guide wrote:

10 YEARS LATER

First Appears: Vol. 42

Having fully become an adult, he is now at about the same age as adult Trunks. Since he doesn't train very often, he hasn't explosively powered up.

Gohan in canon never got weaker, he even rivalled someone stronger then Cell himself. So no.

And this is movie 10 Gohan, who stated he got stronger in the 7 years.

Meaning he is stronger then when he fought Cell and Broly.

And you are telling me this why ? It's a shame they didn't make an error here though lol. Sorry debunk the argument first so called DBZ genius. And no, Broly belts Cell even in movie 8, he had better feats then him let alone movie 10 who belted someone stronger then Cell in 3 hits.

Down play Broly harder, you haters uses the same silly rubbish argument all the time.

And some opinions from the creator and producer

Broli is the first enemy to appear three times in the movies. We asked the producer Moris***a Kouzou the reason for this... "Broli was just that strong, so at the end of "Burn Up!!~"(Broly Movie , I figured he wasn't dead. At any rate, it's because he was set up as the "strongest" Saiyan." If you think about Goku and Vegeta's life force, I guess you can also grasp the tenaciousness of the Legendary Super Saiyan Broli?

~Daizenshuu Book 6 ~

Some guides

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kami_sama_explorer/sets/72157636003754296/

And what does the creator of Broly think too

In handling the scripts for the films, what I always worried about each time was the problem of what to do about the opponent Goku fights against. That’s because, at the very least, they had to be stronger than [the ones from] the previous movie.

After much hard work, I was unable to come up with an opponent stronger than Broli, and fell into a rut where I made him appear three times.

That is to say, there’s the matter of questioning the idea of Broli as the strongest. As you are well aware, vehement opinions on the subject have been flying back and forth on this message board, as well as a variety of [other] websites.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/07/07/takao-koyamas-thoughts-on-battle-of-gods/

Strongest character from Movie 8 to 11, you and SPC can sit down

And what is Broly again ?

@strictlyanime

Sorry but no, Broly galaxy scene is not an outlier when Hatchiyack and Bojack do the same thing and higher level characters done far more.

The Daizenshuu states Gotenks is weaker than Vegeta.

Multiple statements in the official Japanese Manga say he isn't.

Therefore the Daizenshuu is incorrect and not reliable.

Feats from the official Japanese Manga show Broly to be Super Perfect Cell tier.

The Japanese manga overrides the Daizenshuu and has the highest authority.

Why people still debate with Sun Wukong and PCB? i do not comprehend.

I should stop.

They clearly have no idea what they're talking about.

Beerus fighting Thanos? Broly fighting Beerus? LMAO

@pr0d1gy: Broly was never in the manga, Broly is in a different universe

Go ahead and get this fan made rubbish stuff then, i shown the the author himself and what he thinks of his characters. And yes, in the anime, Gotenks was weaker then Vegeta. Even now in BOG Vegeta > Gotenks.

Feats from manga ?

Broly one-shot Vegeta to base, SPC didn't one-shot Vegeta to base since he was SSj still. Broly tank Goku Kamehameha point blank without gaurd or anything, 2 maseko easily, SPC needed to brace himself for Vegeta attack which is weaker. And Broly didn't power up until the end of the movie.

SPC has nothing on Broly buddy in movie 8 let alone movie 10.

LMFAO sure go convince yourself that buddy, like a person who doesn't even know Broly is non-canon should tell others they don't know what they are talking about lol. The irony in not knowing what they are talking about, even when I given evidence.

You want the evidence and scans for it ?

Oh sorry you properly don't do that kind of stuff, since you properly a cheer leader like the other guy, say something and run away.

@sun-wukong:

@shinjiro said:

@sun-wukong:

Yeah good idea, don't take the bait, don't need to waste da time

According to feats:
Broly from movie 6 lost to Super Saiyan Goku. Broly from movie 10 lost to Gohan Ssj2 & Goten. Please remember, Gohan in movie 6 was not his Mastered Super Saiyan form, he was weaker than Vegeta. So if someone argues Gohan from Movie 10 is stronger than their Manga incarnation, they are incorrect. Gohan is at best as 'strong' as he was during the Buu arc.

What about if someone counters all that, do you run away or do you talk rubbish, pretend you won and then run away ?