@comicstooge said:
Even outside the pro-ring he won a Gold Medal with a broken neck.
No crap?! Thats a sign of hard core pain tolerance!
Edit: Just read that up, holy sh!t!
Golberg has no real skill in any fight style that I am aware of. im not a Golberg fan, nor know much about him honestly.
@regular_joe said:
@comic_book_fan said:
@regular_joe: my point is they have never fought so it's just 2 people saying i can beat you up and the the other saying no way i would beat you up is pretty much all that story. and wrestlers are tested quite a bit i am sure angle has been in his fair share of fights because people are stupid and want to prove they can beat up the fake wrestler man and forget most of them are accomplished athletes or freakishly strong jacked up nut cases.
in bar room fights wrestlers have a winning track records against mma fighters lol.
Wow, I hadn't heard about WWE guys beating up mma fighters in bars, before. What's the official barrom brawl score look like for Kurt Angle? Seriously, though. Do you have any examples of fights? I am interested in this.
I don't think anyone is saying wrestlers aren't tested, they just aren't fighters. I don't have any reason to think they're any stronger than a normal guy for their size who works out. I'm sure Kurt Angle was a great wrestler and I'm sure he has great story lines or whatever, but that doesn't automatically translate to being able to do well in a real fight with a guy who has actually trained and been in real fights with decent fighters. Kurt Angle has wrestling and so does Brock. That's his *one* thing and Brock can also do it. I just don't understand how people can argue that a guy with very little/zero experience in actual fighting has a chance just because you say "in his prime".
For a similar match, you could check out Couture vs Lesnar. Couture is a great olympic level wrestler who was doing pretty well against Lesnar until he got caught with a punch and Lesnar TKO'd with hamer fists. Couture was able to use his mma on top of his wrestling to be one of the greats, Kurt Angle only has the wrestling and would get destroyed in an actual fight.
Most of this is garbage. I use to be in the military, and there was many people with Local MMA backgrounds, local Martial Arts backgrounds, and School/College Wrestling backgrounds. I remember seeing this 200+ pound, muscle bound Corpmen who like to do local MMA training in Virginia get taken down in a submission match by a kid of similar weight and build who only had Highschool wrestling background.
O - Then your 200+ pound Corpmen sucked at stuffing takedowns, I guess. Don't know what to tell you. Way to go highschool wrestler?
1 - If it's a submission match, the mma guy would have probably wanted to be on the ground since it's a submission match.
2 - Since the wrestler only had highschool wrestling experience, he was probably really good at scoring points for the ref and winning wrestling matches. As soon as he gets into it with someone who even a halfway decent ground game or grappling, he's screwed. Especially someone who's similar in size and condition.
3 - I'm still waiting for your examples of wrestlers beating up mma guys all the time in barrooms...or was this anecdotal evidence you just provided all you really had? Just some personal stories of back in day where "I one time saw this one guy..." let me know when you come up with something someone can verify to back up your claims. Also, getting a takedown on an mma guy is not a "winning track record".
Your point is crap. People can fight, especially fake wrestlers who are trained, and excell in the knoeldge how to fight and not get hurt.
No. They are trained in how to make it look like they are fighting, not actual fighting. Nowhere in actual fighting will you find guys jumping off turnbuckles at other guys because that's how you just kill yourself in real life. They do not "excel in the knowledge of how to fight". They excel in the knowledge of how to put on a show. Even with that knowledge, they still get hurt all the time.
That may seem a joke, but both know how not hurt others, this is a two sided deal however, as they know how to hurt someone else. I am not a MMA fighter, but I know Law Enforcement style submission and red zone striking to bring someone nearly twice my size or weight down.
That's awesome. Try your redzone stuff against a top mma guy. Let me know how that works out for you. I'm sure you know plenty of secret combat tactics to drop anyone in a "real street situation", but we're talking about going up against guys who fight for a living. Kurt Angle is a performer. Even in his prime, he was only ever a wrestler.
Point is you cannot say Kurt Angle does not know how to fight, as any idiot with moderate training in fake wrestlig knows where to hit, and what to avoid to cause damage. Turn that knowledge around, and Kurt knows exactly where to hit, and how to harm someone.
Kurt Angle does not know how to fight. If you have to "turn your knowledge around" to figure out where to hit someone to do damage, your starting off even worse than someone with no experience.
Im not sure if you grasp these concepts.
lol
Knowledge helps in a fight, but Brock beaten many UFC fighters even though Brock himself was inferior in knowledge and experience. he overwhelmed them.
Brock has 5 professional wins and 3 losses. So, 5 times he got into the ring and beat the crap out of another guy to the point where he knocked out, they stopped the fight or he submitted them. I don't think any of them went to the judges...could be wrong, I'm just too lazy to check at the moment. That's 8 times Brock has gone into combat, real combat, and won more times than he's lost against some great fighters who have far more experience in actual fighting than Kurt Angle ever has and, really, ever will at this point. Saying he "overwhelmed them" is you, I think, trying to sort of say that he just got lucky in the ring. Maybe he did, but 5 times against high caliber fighters is pretty lucky. He's not the greatest fighter ever, but he's certainly good enough to beat the crap out of Kurt Angle at any point in his career.
In this case Kurt is physically as daunting, and proven to be the BEST skill wise in wrestling knowledge in most of the world through his various medals in the Olympics, Country, and World Cups. Kurt also has examples of fighting with a dang near broken neck! Show me Brock fighting any battle with that kind of pain tolerance!
He has examples of wrestling with a dang ner broken neck. I will not dispute the awesomeness of this feat. Just because you have a high tolerance for pain, doesn't mean you can beat another guy at fighting. It just means that you'll get beat up a lot more before the ref stops the fight.
Point is you seem to be either ratting American TV UFC (not even a world sport like some MMA, and limited in the quality of fighters) higher than World Level competition of skill and physical performance that Kurt done.
I'm rating (I assume you meant "rating") UFC fights as the only examples we have of Brock actually fighting. Saying UFC is "limited in the quality of fighters" is kind of true, I guess but there are some amazing talents in there. Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo, Jon Bones Jones, etc. There's some A+ talent in there.
Also, I am pretty explicitly stating that nearly any fighter in the UFC stable should be able to beat nearly any wrestler of equal weight class, simply because the wrestler is not trained in fighting. It's an unfair advantage putting someone trained to fight against someone who is trained to wrestle for points.
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