BRB,Gladiator Vs Black Adam,Darkseid.

This is a major, major stomp for Team 2. I just don't see how Team 1 can win this...

I mean you have a morals off Darkseid AND Black Adam? Darkseid with morals has been able to stomp characters above either on team 1. So, I'd say adding Black Adam just makes it a pretty easy win for Team 2.

Considering Darkseid has been beaten by Superman, a 100% confidence Gladiator would stomp him. I'm pretty sure that a 100% confidence Gladiator has a chance of soloing this fight. He can literally will himself untouchable.

Darkseid solos.

@CitizenBane said:

@ToO_RaW: ........do you seriously think Gladiator's "I believe myself untouchable" means literally nothing can hurt him?

I'm starting to. LOL. No one can disprove this. You can use examples of him being hurt, but there's no evidence he was at top confidence in those instances.

You are aware of how his powers work, right?

Can you prove me wrong? I can post scan after scan that would support this argument.

@CitizenBane said:

@ToO_RaW said:

@CitizenBane said:

@ToO_RaW: ........do you seriously think Gladiator's "I believe myself untouchable" means literally nothing can hurt him?

I'm starting to. LOL. No one can disprove this. You can use examples of him being hurt, but there's no evidence he was at top confidence in those instances.

You are aware of how his powers work, right?

Can you prove me wrong? I can post scan after scan that would support this argument.

......you're aware of this silly little thing called a no-limits-fallacy, right? No one needs to prove you wrong. No demonstrated limits does not automatically imply that no limits exist, especially for an incredibly rare situation like Gladiator being at "100% confidence", for which very few hard facts exist. Kindergarteners can make that connection in logic. This is the sort of half-arsed argument that Dr. Manhattan fans bring up to claim he's more impressive than he actually is.

You're basically saying "Since there's no proof that Gladiator isn't completely invulnerable to any assaults at 100% confidence, he must be completely invulnerable." Do you really need me to walk you through why attempting to prove a negative is an inherently stupid thing to do? The burden of proof is not on me. It is on you. If a person claims that X exists and is real then the burden is on that person to supply some support for that claim, some evidence or proof that others can and should examine before accepting it. It is incorrect to think that X exists and is real until someone can prove that there is no X. It is also wrong to think that just because you can not prove that X exists that does not mean that X does not exist and therefore X does exist. X here is Gladiator's alleged complete and total invincibility at the mythical "100% confidence".

If you're trying to argue "Gladiator at 100% is invincible because no one can prove otherwise", it's called an argumentum ad ignoratium, or an argument from ignorance. "Gladiator is invincible unless proven otherwise" is a false dichotomy; it leaves out the actual scenario that you ignore: there is insufficient data to judge whether Gladiator is invincible at 100% or not, because when has he ever been at 100%? Attempting to shift the burden of proof is pointless.

More simply put, claiming "Gladiator @ 100% is invincible and cannot be harmed by anyone. Prove me wrong." is like claiming "There are musical-loving zombies living in the crevasses of the Grand Canyon. You can't see them because they're invisible to any kind of human detection. Prove me wrong.". There is absolutely no data available to refute either claim. Doesn't mean the claim is automatically true. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and other aphorisms along those lines.

Seriously, come on. I refuse to believe people can live past a certain age and still come up with logic like this.

Did you actually read my entire post or did you just have a bad morning and decide to pick and choose which parts of my post you wanted to address for the sake of sounding like a unhappy person? LOL. I never said "because you can't prove me wrong this is how it is". I said there are multiple panels and scans I can provide to support this argument - now prove me wrong. Which I can provide said scans if you'd like.

So basically, all of that is nice, except we KNOW zombies don't exist. Therefore your example is moot. There are more than 10 instances that I can cite off the top of my head where it's suggested that Gladiator is unbeatable due to his power set, if at full confidence. This fact topped with the Vulcan scan > everything you typed.

Thanks for trying, though.

@Lvenger: It's from the Apokolips Now one shot.

@CitizenBane said:

@ToO_RaW said:

Did you actually read my entire post or did you just have a bad morning and decide to pick and choose which parts of my post you wanted to address for the sake of sounding like a unhappy person? LOL. I never said "because you can't prove me wrong this is how it is". I said there are multiple panels and scans I can provide to support this argument - now prove me wrong. Which I can provide said scans if you'd like.

I did. And that is exactly what you said. Either you are incapable of understanding the things you yourself have typed, or you need to familiarize yourself with the concept of proof. To the premise "Gladiator is invincible at 100% confidence", your reply was "No one can disprove this". Your scans are irrelevant. You're arguing that there is nothing under the sun that can hurt Gladiator at 100% confidence, and there is absolutely no proof for that because there cannot be any proof for that. At best you can show Gladiator enduring various attacks of considerable power, but if you're claiming he's invincible to all assaults, you're claiming he can tank blasts from anything and everything ranging from the blast Thanos used to kill Rot, to the blasts the Mad Celestials used to put down a well-nourished Galactus, to the blast Genis-Vell used to destroy Entropy and bring back the entire damn multiverse. Are you seriously making this claim?

Your entire basis for this claim is that there's no proof he can't tank all of this at the mythical 100% confidence. Again, no-limits-fallacy. A poorly understood phenomenon cannot be extrapolated to infinity just because you think it should. You cannot simply claim Gladiator's strength, speed and durability have no limits if he's at "full confidence". By the same token, you have no proof that his belief-fueled powers do not have an upper ceiling that is obtained after a particular point. It's never been shown to be the case? It's never been not shown to be the case.

So basically, all of that is nice, except we KNOW zombies don't exist. Therefore your example is moot.

These are a SPECIAL kind of zombie! Mankind has never encountered them before! But they love Andrew Lloyd Weber and live in the crevasses of the Grand Canyon! You only think they don't exist because they're invisible to any kind of human detection. Prove me wrong.

Do you really not see what I'm getting at here?

There are more than 10 instances that I can cite off the top of my head where it's suggested that Gladiator is unbeatable due to his power set, if at full confidence.

I do hope you understand the difference between empty claims and actual demonstrated capabilities. The former is a no-no, the latter is what you are actually supposed to provide. Which is why I know your "multiple panels and scans" are pointless. You do not even understand what you are claiming.

Suggestions are for people who don't have anything else to base a claim on. Demonstrations are perfect.

This fact topped with the Vulcan scan > everything you typed.

Mmhmm. Sure.

It does not matter how many scans you can post. I do not even need to know what scans you are referring to. I know it is an argument you cannot possibly prove because of how inherently idiotic it is, and if you actually understood the full import of what you've said, you'd know it as well.

Thanks for making a mockery of the concept of trying, though. And again, I refuse to believe people can live past a certain age and still come up with logic like this. Call me an idealist.

LOL. Obviously beings like Odin and above would whoop Gladiator. I've even said this in multiple Gladiator threads before. My points were directed to the characters in this fight. "Kindergartners can make that connection in logic". =)

Regarding characters of this level and the bold - the "multiple scans" of it being confirmed of Gladiator's abilities being dependent on his confidence and what he believes, supported by actual proof of Gladiator being untouched when he believes himself untouchable is exactly that you're asking for here. Gladiator demonstrated such capability in the Vulcan scan I've already provided (your "latter").

The amped Vulcan would be a match for anyone else in this thread. If he's at 100% confidence, no one here is touching him.

Take a look at your very own childish picture, and be proud.

You lust for confrontation has obviously blinded you and suppressed your ability to debate in a friendly manner, so I will forgive you for you arrogance.

@Lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis: Thanks! Is that the one where Team Superman go to rescue Steel from Apokolips? God that was an awful story.

Yup.

team 1 wins gladiator beats darkseid

BRB beats BA

@CitizenBane said:

@ToO_RaW said:

You lust for confrontation has obviously blinded you and suppressed your ability to debate in a friendly manner, so I will forgive you for you arrogance.

Oh, thank you, sire! Your benevolence shames me!

Post your retraction, your concession is accepted. Go on your way, son. Be free.

Concession? On the contrary. I have provided solid proof of my claims - scans of Gladiator being untouchable when he believes himself untouchable backed with years of publication on how his powers work. You ignored my last post almost entirely which offers everything you're asking for. You chose to ignore it. =) You haven't provided a single piece of evidence that contradicts these facts. lol

There's literally nothing you can say to this is there? =) Quite simply, rebutting against this without any base of argument would be considered trolling would it not? lol

Your concession is accepted.

Team DC wins