Simple, Bor was reborn by Loki but instead of Thor meeting him, Superman does by spontaneously punching through reality and entering the Marvel 616. Who takes it?
Bor vs Superman
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" You sure about that? "Yes Indeed... even though Bor is powerful... Superman is stronger and faster than Bor...
superman takes this. He is much stronger than Bor physicall and bor havent been shown to be able to handle superman's speed
" Bor. He is in Skyfather level. "People always say this " He is Skyfather Level " line... but what does that mean exactly ? I mean how does this line explain that Bor can defeat Superman... based on what Bor has shown physically ?
Superman has no chance. Odinforce Thor is more impressive than Superman
Odin Force = power to damage Cap America's shield, power to warp reality and power to destroy Galaxies
and Bor matched a full powered Thor utilizing the Odinforce and made Thor wet his pants.
" Superman has no chance. Odinforce Thor is more impressive than Superman Odin Force = power to damage Cap America's shield, power to warp reality and power to destroy Galaxies and Bor matched a full powered Thor utilizing the Odinforce and made Thor wet his pants. "Excatly. Even if Bor have only 50% power of Odin he still above Superman. Bor in curbstomp.
" Superman has no chance. Odinforce Thor is more impressive than Superman Odin Force = power to damage Cap America's shield, power to warp reality and power to destroy Galaxies and Bor matched a full powered Thor utilizing the Odinforce and made Thor wet his pants. "When Thor fought Bor, Thor was holding back. He was trying to calm Bor down but couldn't because he saw Thor as some creature because of Loki. When Thor decided not to hold back, he killed Bor. Bor's power was only sufficient enough to destroy the planet which isn't much compared to the Odinforce. He also took way too long to unleash his planet busting attack which gives Superman a lot of time to take him out if he decides to use that attack right away.
Superman seems to win the speed fight but Superman breaks Moons not Planets, so Bor outclasses him in strength
Added on top of this Superman's vulnerability to magic I think Bor can stomp it
There was only one thing that stopped Bor, its was some ancient Asgardian spell and Superman won't have a clue in this area
" Superman seems to win the speed fight but Superman breaks Moons not Planets, so Bor outclasses him in strength Added on top of this Superman's vulnerability to magic I think Bor can stomp it There was only one thing that stopped Bor, its was some ancient Asgardian spell and Superman won't have a clue in this area "Thor one-shotted Bor with Mjolnir after he decided he had to stop Bor. Superman might not hit as hard as Mjolnir (not sure though) but he can get off many more hits than Thor did because of his huge advantage in speed.
true, Bor is a magic creature = Superman is dead" Excatly. Even if Bor have only 50% power of Odin he still above Superman. Bor in curbstomp. "
He also can destroy World's unlike Superman who's greatest feat was breaking a Moon and in doing so it almost kills Superman
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http://www.comicvine.com/bor/29-58894/
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"Bor is an ancient Asgardian God who commands an untold and unimaginable level of power, greater than that of even the full Odinforce. Power that enhances and increases all of his physical attributes astronomically. With this power he can also control the elements, produce powerful eye-beams and can bring about great cataclysms with just a thought, as he proved not only during his battle with Thor and The Dark Avengers but also when he punished Odin for bringing life to Earth. Along with these powers Bor is a Master among Masters in both unarmed and armed combat, adding greatly to the lethality of the danger one faces while in conflict with Bor.
However, he does have one weakness to act as a natural counter-balance to the power he wields and that weakness is none other than extremely powerful mystical spells derived from many different ancient forms of the Black Arts. However one using these spells would have to master them first before using them on Bor. "
It doesn't matter if it takes him 10 seconds or 10 mins or 10 hours to charge up his A.O.E attack, one he fires it Superman is gone. The only way to damage Bor is by ancient asgard magics
OdinForce = Thor with one arm owns heavy weights like Hulk and Thing kills them, Thor with OF Kills Captain America while destroying his shield, Thor with OF has Galaxy busting potential
Classic Thor = a guy Superman put down in a crossover and barely survives the match, calling it the most difficult fight of his life
Bor fought OdinForce
How is Superman winning this again?
i think bor would win, because he would probably actually try to kill superman, and the dud is strong enough to shatter mjolnir, so, yeah
@TruePwnge:
wtf are you talking about? Thor doesn't own Hulk
" It doesn't matter if it takes him 10 seconds or 10 mins or 10 hours to charge up his A.O.E attack, one he fires it Superman is gone. The only way to damage Bor is by ancient asgard magics OdinForce = Thor with one arm owns heavy weights like Hulk and Thing kills them, Thor with OF Kills Captain America while destroying his shield, Thor with OF has Galaxy busting potential Classic Thor = a guy Superman put down in a crossover and barely survives the match, calling it the most difficult fight of his life Bor fought OdinForce How is Superman winning this again? "It does matter. Superman gets a lot of time to hit his punches. Where was it stated that Bor can only be damaged by ancient Asgardian magic? Because if that's so, Bor would be impossible to beat unless he fights someone like Odin. He was obviously getting hurt when he had a physical wrestling match with Thor. I know what Odinforce Thor can do but Thor didn't even use the Odinforce during that fight.
" i think bor would win, because he would probably actually try to kill superman, and the dud is strong enough to shatter mjolnir, so, yeahHe tried killing Thor but it didn't work. Thor also isn't as durable as Superman.
@TruePwnge: wtf are you talking about? Thor doesn't own Hulk "
No he's many, many times more durable" Thor also isn't as durable as Superman. "
Classic Thor is a lot more durable than Superman, while OdinForce Thor has durability on Pre Crisis levels. Current Superman has be worn out and exhausted in fights, current Superman is weak against magic, current has been beat down by countless villains, current Superman is weak to certain radiation, current Superman is weak against magic, current Sueprman has been killed by Doomsday just using physical force
Thor has had an entire planet phased through every cell of his body, Thor has taken shots from Celestials,
Thor has taken shots from Destroyer who on his weakest showing, the Destroyer opens up his visor and destroys all the Avengers including classic Thor
@ninjadude853
said:Forget Rulk vs Thor that Loeb nonsense never happened"wtf are you talking about? Thor doesn't own Hulk "
OdinForce blinks Hulk away
One guy is classic Thor,
Classic = a god with a hammer, he can make hurricanes, he can fly if he holds onto the hammer, good fighting ability unarmed or with melee weapons, he has superhuman strength, he can blast, he can create lightning etc
Superman beats him in one of the most difficult fights of Superman's life
The other guy is Thor with many of the abilities of his father (Odin)
he can manipulate matter, can do illusions, telekenesis, can teleport the entire human race to another Universe,
he can shrink gaint monsters and spacecraft down to size of a toys, he can bust up Galaxies, not planets GALAXIES etc He can blink Hulk into nothing
He was intangible for a moment suddenly the Earth became tangible while inside his an entire half of his body, Thor screams out in agony as every molecule of earth becomes fused with every vein and every cell of his body but he still has fight left in him to get himself out of the torturous situation" @TruePwnge said:
"Thor has had an entire planet phased through every cell of his body, Thor has taken shots from Celestials, "Enlighten me, If it phased through his body, how is it a feat of durability? "
Jonn Fernus once did the very same power test to Superman phasing his arms and legs into a table and Superman looked to be in far worse shape. Superman's eyes roll, he looks dead in the water until the JLA rescue him
Bor was strong enough to catch Mjolnir (as You know Mjolnir can destroy planets). It was very,very for him. It is a feat of durability (take a blow that can destroy a planet),strength (he should be as strong as Thor to catch object which Thor throw at him), reflex and probably magic abilities because has was able to hold Mjolnir in his hands.
Bor is magical creature. It is a high advantage if You are fighting against Superman.
Bor is father of Odin and he was a king of Asgard. I know that this is not a feat of strength or durability, but I think that means a lot.
Bor damaged Mjolnir. Thor had to use all his Odinforce to recreate it. This is prove that Bor is almost as powerfull as Skyfathers.
Bor is not as powerfull as OF Thor, but Thor had to used OF to defeat and kill him he coudn't do that with his classic powers it means that Bor is on higher league than Classic Thor (and Superman).
" @Fresh Prince said:No he's many, many times more durable" Thor also isn't as durable as Superman. "
Classic Thor is a lot more durable than Superman, while OdinForce Thor has durability on Pre Crisis levels. Current Superman has be worn out and exhausted in fights, current Superman is weak against magic, current has been beat down by countless villains, current Superman is weak to certain radiation, current Superman is weak against magic, current Sueprman has been killed by Doomsday just using physical force
Thor has had an entire planet phased through every cell of his body, Thor has taken shots from Celestials,
Thor has taken shots from Destroyer who on his weakest showing, the Destroyer opens up his visor and destroys all the Avengers including classic Thor
@ninjadude853
said:Forget Rulk vs Thor that Loeb nonsense never happenedOdinForce blinks Hulk away One guy is classic Thor, Classic = a god with a hammer, he can make hurricanes, he can fly if he holds onto the hammer, good fighting ability unarmed or with melee weapons, he has superhuman strength, he can blast, he can create lightning etc Superman beats him in one of the most difficult fights of Superman's life The other guy is Thor with many of the abilities of his father (Odin) he can manipulate matter, can do illusions, telekenesis, can teleport the entire human race to another Universe, he can shrink gaint monsters and spacecraft down to size of a toys, he can bust up Galaxies, not planets GALAXIES etc He can blink Hulk into nothing ""wtf are you talking about? Thor doesn't own Hulk "
Firstly Classic Thor is a lot less durable than Superman.
Stating otherwise is wishful thinking.
Secondly, many of Odin's appearances showed him at a lot lower power level than Galaxy destroying. Like against the Celestials and against Thanos.
As for Bor being physically stronger than Thor, Marvel have confirmed this in the recent Mythological Handbook they published. Althought he figures may be inaccurate, the fact that they rated him above Thor is significant.
" Bor was strong enough to catch Mjolnir (as You know Mjolnir can destroy planets). It was very,very for him. It is a feat of durability (take a blow that can destroy a planet),strength (he should be as strong as Thor to catch object which Thor throw at him), reflex and probably magic abilities because has was able to hold Mjolnir in his hands. Bor is magical creature. It is a high advantage if You are fighting against Superman. Bor is father of Odin and he was a king of Asgard. I know that this is not a feat of strength or durability, but I think that means a lot. Bor damaged Mjolnir. Thor had to use all his Odinforce to recreate it. This is prove that Bor is almost as powerfull as Skyfathers. Bor is not as powerfull as OF Thor, but Thor had to used OF to defeat and kill him he coudn't do that with his classic powers it means that Bor is on higher league than Classic Thor (and Superman). "Bor catching Mjolnir is more of a reflex feat. He's obviously worthy to wield it as he was able to throw it. Bor didn't even use any magic in the fight until the end and he took really long to unleash that magic. That gives Superman more than enough time to land his planet busting shots. Thor barely used the Odinforce in that fight and he didn't even use it to it's full potential. He was just using it for defense in the start of the fight.
@TruePwnge said:
" @Fresh Prince said:Superman's survived planets and stars being blown up. Odinforce Thor did not have Pre Crisis levels. What feats does Odinforce Thor have that would put him on Pre Crisis levels? Superman is weak against magic, but Bor and Thor like taking it hand to hand. It's not like Bor would use his magic (which takes forever to unleash) as soon as the fight starts. Superman has more than enough time to take him hand to hand and beat him. Doomsday would also beat Thor in hand to hand.No he's many, many times more durable" Thor also isn't as durable as Superman. "
Classic Thor is a lot more durable than Superman, while OdinForce Thor has durability on Pre Crisis levels. Current Superman has be worn out and exhausted in fights, current Superman is weak against magic, current has been beat down by countless villains, current Superman is weak to certain radiation, current Superman is weak against magic, current Sueprman has been killed by Doomsday just using physical force
Thor has had an entire planet phased through every cell of his body, Thor has taken shots from Celestials,
Thor has taken shots from Destroyer who on his weakest showing, the Destroyer opens up his visor and destroys all the Avengers including classic Thor
Bor was going at it blow for blow with a skyfather level being, and Thor was struggling all throughout the fight. In fact, the fight destroyed Mjolnir. If Superman is dumb enough to try to take Bor physically, he's going to get stomped. He can win by BFR, but otherwise he isn't even in Bors league.
" Bor was going at it blow for blow with a skyfather level being, and Thor was struggling all throughout the fight. In fact, the fight destroyed Mjolnir. If Superman is dumb enough to try to take Bor physically, he's going to get stomped. He can win by BFR, but otherwise he isn't even in Bors league. "Good point. Yeah, I can accept that Supe could win it by BFR.
who is bor and why is such a great feat to destroy cap america's shield. im sure supes can do that no prob
" @AtPhantom said:Bor is more durable than SupermanHe was intangible for a moment suddenly the Earth became tangible while inside his an entire half of his body, Thor screams out in agony as every molecule of earth becomes fused with every vein and every cell of his body but he still has fight left in him to get himself out of the torturous situation Jonn Fernus once did the very same power test to Superman phasing his arms and legs into a table and Superman looked to be in far worse shape. Superman's eyes roll, he looks dead in the water until the JLA rescue him "" @TruePwnge said:
"Thor has had an entire planet phased through every cell of his body, Thor has taken shots from Celestials, "Enlighten me, If it phased through his body, how is it a feat of durability? "
" @TruePwnge said:" @AtPhantom said:Bor is more durable than Superman "He was intangible for a moment suddenly the Earth became tangible while inside his an entire half of his body, Thor screams out in agony as every molecule of earth becomes fused with every vein and every cell of his body but he still has fight left in him to get himself out of the torturous situation Jonn Fernus once did the very same power test to Superman phasing his arms and legs into a table and Superman looked to be in far worse shape. Superman's eyes roll, he looks dead in the water until the JLA rescue him "" @TruePwnge said:
"Thor has had an entire planet phased through every cell of his body, Thor has taken shots from Celestials, "Enlighten me, If it phased through his body, how is it a feat of durability? "
Another good solid argument.........
" @TruePwnge said:" @AtPhantom said:Bor is more durable than Superman "He was intangible for a moment suddenly the Earth became tangible while inside his an entire half of his body, Thor screams out in agony as every molecule of earth becomes fused with every vein and every cell of his body but he still has fight left in him to get himself out of the torturous situation Jonn Fernus once did the very same power test to Superman phasing his arms and legs into a table and Superman looked to be in far worse shape. Superman's eyes roll, he looks dead in the water until the JLA rescue him "" @TruePwnge said:
"Thor has had an entire planet phased through every cell of his body, Thor has taken shots from Celestials, "Enlighten me, If it phased through his body, how is it a feat of durability? "
And you got this from..........where exaxtly??? It's a well kknown fact that Superman>Odin/Thor in durability, why would you think Bor would be more durable that Superman?? He appeared for what? One whole issue and some back story previously in some panels, where did it state or show his durability? I must have missed something lol
" It's a well kknown fact that Superman>Odin/Thor in durability "Fernus almost killed Superman, Doomsday murdered him with physical force, Luthor in a battlesuit beat down superman, and he is weak against magic
How does he have higher durability again?
" @czarny_samael said:This shows nothing besides the fact that Bor is worthy to lift Mjolnir." Bor is not as powerfull as OF Thor, but Thor had to used OF to defeat and kill him he coudn't do that with his classic powers it means that Bor is on higher league than Classic Thor (and Superman). ""
@Lance Uppercut said:
" Bor was going at it blow for blow with a skyfather level being, and Thor was struggling all throughout the fight. In fact, the fight destroyed Mjolnir. If Superman is dumb enough to try to take Bor physically, he's going to get stomped. He can win by BFR, but otherwise he isn't even in Bors league. "Thor only struggled in that fight because he didn't want to kill another Asgardian. Once he went all out, he one-shotted Bor. The fact that Thor beat Bor hand-to-hand shows us that Superman would beat him. Unless you can show me scans of Thor fighting at speeds that Superman fights at.
Silver Age Superman>>>>>>>>>Odin Force Thor>>>Bor>>>>>>>>>> Pre Crisis Superman>>>>>>>>>>>Current Superman
Current Superman could barley beat Classic Thor(the weakest version of Thor) in a crossover you fanboys call canon
nice how everyone ignores Superman's vulnerability to magic
" @lordraiden said:" It's a well kknown fact that Superman>Odin/Thor in durability "Fernus almost killed Superman, Doomsday murdered him with physical force, Luthor in a battlesuit beat down superman, and he is weak against magic How does he have higher durability again? "
Superman was nowhere hear as powerfull or strong back then (16 or so years ago) he's had so many upgrades since then. Luthor has doen jack to Superman, Luthor's only weapon against Superman is kryptonite, which nearly killed him (supposedly did once, his physical body), have no idea about Fernus. You do know what I mean by durability?
" Silver Age Superman>>>>>>>>>Odin Force Thor>>>Bor>>>>>>>>>> Pre Crisis Superman>>>>>>>>>>>Current SupermanYou know what's funny about this? It's not magic. It's 64th century reality warping technology.
Current Superman could barley beat Classic Thor(the weakest version of Thor) in a crossover you fanboys call canon
nice how everyone ignores Superman's vulnerability to magic
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Bor has no feats. Bor wasn't as impressive as everyone makes him out to be, IMO. He gave Thor a run for his money but still ultimately lost while Thor was initially holding back.
Superman takes this.
" who is bor and why is such a great feat to destroy cap america's shield. im sure supes can do that no prob "
Odin can take galaxy busting attacks. Can Supe take such a powerfull shots? I really doubt it. I think he could take planet busting attack, but it will really hurt him.
@Ownerz said:
" @czarny_samael said:I don't belive they can. Enchantres,Loki,Odin and Thor - yeah, but others? I know nothing about it." Good point. Yeah, I can accept that Supe could win it by BFR. "I'm pretty sure a lot of Asgardians can magically teleport "
@Fresh Prince said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:" Bor was going at it blow for blow with a skyfather level being, and Thor was struggling all throughout the fight. In fact, the fight destroyed Mjolnir. If Superman is dumb enough to try to take Bor physically, he's going to get stomped. He can win by BFR, but otherwise he isn't even in Bors league. "Thor only struggled in that fight because he didn't want to kill another Asgardian. Once he went all out, he one-shotted Bor. The fact that Thor beat Bor hand-to-hand shows us that Superman would beat him. Unless you can show me scans of Thor fighting at speeds that Superman fights at. "
1.No. Thor said that only OF safe him from death from one Bor's punch. Classic Thor could take shot which can destroy a planet and his words means that Bor shot was more powerfull than planet-busting attack.
2.Strombraker destroyed a planet - Mjolnir is not weaker than BRB's power. Thor was attacking many powerfull people and hurt them with Mjolnir, but his hammer was never damaged. He almost destroy it to kill Bor. It cost him OF to repair it. All of this things are big Bor's feats for me.
P.S.Thor can fight in light speeds, but it doesn't matter because he didn't fight in it in this fight.
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