#1 Posted by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

Location: The Negative Zone

Victory Conditions: Death, K.O. or Incapacitation.

Morals: Off

Blue Marvel has been in the negative zone for 2 hours before Superboy-Prime arrives.

Superboy-Prime has his armor that keeps him amped up on sunlight.

Who wins?

#2 Posted by HolySerpent (12517 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime murders him

#3 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#4 Posted by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

@HolySerpent said:

Prime murders him

How, exactly, would Prime murder him?

They are at least equal in power.

#5 Posted by Saren (25610 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@HolySerpent said:

Prime murders him

How, exactly, would Prime murder him?

They are at least equal in power.

What?

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#6 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@HolySerpent said:

Prime murders him

How, exactly, would Prime murder him?

They are at least equal in power.

Heh.

#7 Edited by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

@Baldy: @CitizenBane: Is there are particular part of my post that's giving you trouble?

#8 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@Baldy: @CitizenBane: Is there are particular part of my post that's giving you trouble?

I think the part where you said Blue Marvel is equal to Superboy Prime

#9 Posted by 0n1zuka (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos: I would assume you saying that Blue Marvel and SBP are equal in power. Has he shown anything to prove that?

#10 Posted by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: @0n1zuka: Blue Marvel has shown himself to be roughly on a 'superman-level'. However, where Superman gets power from Yellow Sunlight, Blue Marvel gets power from Anti-Matter Energy, i.e. energy bleeding out from the Negative Zone.

The location of the fight, is for Blue Marvel, the equivalent of doing a fight with Superman, located in the core of the sun. And Blue Marvel has spent 2 hours there before SBP arrived.

#11 Posted by Saren (25610 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@Jayfournines: @0n1zuka: Blue Marvel has shown himself to be roughly on a 'superman-level'. However, where Superman gets power from Yellow Sunlight, Blue Marvel gets power from Anti-Matter Energy, i.e. energy bleeding out from the Negative Zone.

The location of the fight, is for Blue Marvel, the equivalent of doing a fight with Superman, located in the core of the sun. And Blue Marvel has spent 2 hours there before SBP arrived.

I see. So you are basing this on a hypothetical level of power that Blue Marvel will obtain in the Negative Zone, and not on actual things he has done that say 2 hours in the Negative Zone will make him a match for Prime?

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#12 Posted by King Saturn (224025 posts) - - Show Bio
Superboy Prime would run through Blue Marvel... 
#13 Edited by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: His being equal in power. Mostly, yes. While he might not be equal in power right away, he'll get there pretty quickly. And his combat skills are enough to bridge any possible gap in power until then(especially considering that SBP has no combat skills at all).

I'm basing the fight on their 'stated capabilities'. Their powers and abilities 'on paper' so to speak, more than feats. Primarily because I find that the 'stated capabilities' are usually more reliable, while feats tend to jump around like crazy(SBP taking out the majority of the GL corps, vs. SBP getting schooled by Kon-El, to give an example).

#14 Posted by Saren (25610 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@CitizenBane: His being equal in power. Mostly, yes. While he might not be equal in power right away, he'll get there pretty quickly. And his combat skills are enough to bridge any possible gap in power until then(especially considering that SBP has no combat skills at all).

That's all well and good, but hypothetical fights only have hypothetical outcomes. By what logic have you arrived at the conclusion that 2 hours is sufficient time for Blue Marvel to reach Prime's level.

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#15 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@CitizenBane: His being equal in power. Mostly, yes. While he might not be equal in power right away, he'll get there pretty quickly. And his combat skills are enough to bridge any possible gap in power until then(especially considering that SBP has no combat skills at all).

Superboy prime...the dude that took on everyone and won? Who escaped the Speed Force? Who has uber intellect, durability and can punch reality?

#16 Posted by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Any 'match' only has a hypothetical outcome. And if any of the matches we discuss ever happened in the comics, chances are that they wouldn't have the outcome that we end up agreeing on.

@Jayfournines: Yes, Superboy-Prime, the guy that got schooled by Kon-El.

#17 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20143 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy Prime wins.

#18 Posted by Lvenger (19237 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@HolySerpent said:

Prime murders him

How, exactly, would Prime murder him?

They are at least equal in power.

Say what? Prime is at least several times more powerful than the average Kryptonian. He moved planets far more easily than Superman has been shown to, he basically took on every superhero in Infinite Crisis, both the Green Lantern and Sinestro Corps in the Sinestro Corps War, three incarnations of the Legion of Superheroes in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds. And to top it off, he's shrugged off blows from Black Adam and overpowered Martian Manhunter, both of whom are on 'Superman level'. Basically Blue Marvel is doomed.

#19 Posted by Saren (25610 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@CitizenBane: Any 'match' only has a hypothetical outcome. And if any of the matches we discuss ever happened in the comics, chances are that they wouldn't have the outcome that we end up agreeing on.

@Jayfournines: Yes, Superboy-Prime, the guy that got schooled by Kon-El.

You know what I'm talking about. Do you have any accurate estimate as to what level Blue Marvel would be at or are you just making up the level so he'd be a match for Prime?

As for your comment about Superboy, are you serious? You can't be serious.

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#20 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@King Saturn said:

Superboy Prime would run through Blue Marvel...
#21 Posted by Nefarious (19658 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy Prime would wreck Blue Marvel.

#22 Posted by Lvenger (19237 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@Jayfournines: Yes, Superboy-Prime, the guy that got schooled by Kon-El.

Not the best point to support your argument. SBP has easily taken out Superman before and there are plenty of instances where Superboy has been unable to defeat Superman. And it took 3 Kryptonians to subdue SBP in Sinestro Corps War.

#23 Posted by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

You know what I'm talking about. Do you have any accurate estimate as to what level Blue Marvel would be at or are you just making up the level so he'd be a match for Prime?

As for your comment about Superboy, are you serious? You can't be serious.

Yes, I know what you're talking about. And no, I don't have any accurate estimates. The best comparison I have is Superman's Sundip(which lasted a few minutes, and more than doubled his powers). As well as Blue Marvel's fight against... I forget his name, walking talking anti-matter generator that he fights in his Mini series, where Blue Marvel's powers grow exponentially while fighting him.

With the 2 hours, I wasn't really trying to put Blue Marvel on same power level as SBP, I was merely attempting to give him enough of a power-up to prevent him from being completely slaughtered at the get go. Which I'm fairly confident that I've managed, considering that Blue Marvel is getting more powerful with every moment that passes.

As for my comment about Superboy, yes, I'm serious.

We saw Kon El take him on 3 times already and won the 3rd fight. The 2nd fight in Legion of 3 worlds we saw Prime get smacked around pretty good by Kon El.

#24 Posted by Saren (25610 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

Yes, I know what you're talking about. And no, I don't have any accurate estimates. The best comparison I have is Superman's Sundip(which lasted a few minutes, and more than doubled his powers). As well as Blue Marvel's fight against... I forget his name, walking talking anti-matter generator that he fights in his Mini series, where Blue Marvel's powers grow exponentially while fighting him.

With the 2 hours, I wasn't really trying to put Blue Marvel on same power level as SBP, I was merely attempting to give him enough of a power-up to prevent him from being completely slaughtered at the get go. Which I'm fairly confident that I've managed, considering that Blue Marvel is getting more powerful with every moment that passes.

That's what I thought. I recommend you try and prove that Blue Marvel's power increases with exposure to anti-matter at the same rate that Superman's power increases with exposure to the sun. Granted, I already know no such proof exists, but......

As for my comment about Superboy, yes, I'm serious.

We saw Kon El take him on 3 times already and won the 3rd fight. The 2nd fight in Legion of 3 worlds we saw Prime get smacked around pretty good by Kon El.

No. They fought 4 times, in the first instance Conner was beaten bloody and had to call in every Titan available to help. In the second instance, Prime killed him. In the third instance (Legion of 3 Worlds), Conner was amped from a thousand years of sunlight exposure, and the fourth instance was good old fashioned PIS. Prime has also KO'd Martian Manhunter, who could beat down Blue Marvel every time. Lousy point is lousy.

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#25 Edited by SirMethos (1321 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I'd forgotten about the first fight :P

Anyway, in the Second fight, Kon-El was holding his own until they crash into the vibrational tuning fork. And Kon-El dies from his injuries from the resulting explosion, not at SBP's hands.

I don't remember Kon-El being amped up, but I'll take your word for it :) Regardless, considering that Kon-El as a baseline, is weaker than the average Superman, even being amped up on sunlight, shouldn't be a problem for someone that has been shown to single-handedly own the entire GL corps(as well as a ton of other groups).

As for PIS in the last fight, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Regardless, my point stands. Feats are highly unreliable. And fans(as well as haters) tend to pick and choose from the feats of various characters when they debate.

#26 Posted by Saren (25610 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@CitizenBane: I'd forgotten about the first fight :P

Anyway, in the Second fight, Kon-El was holding his own until they crash into the vibrational tuning fork. And Kon-El dies from his injuries from the resulting explosion, not at SBP's hands.

It appears we have differing definitions of what "holding his own" comprises, and the same explosion that killed Conner didn't even slow down Prime.

I don't remember Kon-El being amped up, but I'll take your word for it :) Regardless, considering that Kon-El as a baseline, is weaker than the average Superman, even being amped up on sunlight, shouldn't be a problem for someone that has been shown to single-handedly own the entire GL corps(as well as a ton of other groups).

Did you not read the part where he was exposed to sunlight for 1000 years? That's a little more than just an amp.

As for PIS in the last fight, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Hrrm.

Regardless, my point stands. Feats are highly unreliable. And fans(as well as haters) tend to pick and choose from the feats of various characters when they debate.

They're unreliable if you just chuck context out the window, sure.

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#27 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

@SirMethos said:

@Jayfournines: Yes, Superboy-Prime, the guy that got schooled by Kon-El.

What planet did this happen on?

#28 Posted by terry2012 (5070 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger: This

#29 Posted by TheForgotten1 (40 posts) - - Show Bio

Being a blue marvel fan I think I might go with super boy but I dunno how much power 2 hrs would give blue marvel for now super boy If certain marvel people would continue with blue marvel then maybe this fight would be closer than most people think

#30 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio

Blue Marvel just doesn't have the feats to support him winning. If the only argument you have is guess work, then you don't have an argument.