Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) vs. Iron Man - Battles

#1 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Well...

http://www.comicvine.com/blue-beetle/4438/

He DC's own 'Iron Man' if you ask me...

VS.

http://www.comicvine.com/iron-man/1455/

Director of SHIELD.

Who wins? This may seem like a curbstomp to many, but I'm just bored and can't think of any other match-up. LOL

#2 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4031 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Isn't the new Blue Beetle just a kid? Unless he is substantially more powerful than Marvel's heavier hitters, I highly doubt he'll be able to beat an opponent as powerful, intelligent and experienced as Iron Man.

#3 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Alexander Anderson says:

"Isn't the new Blue Beetle just a kid? Unless he is *substantially* morepowerful than Marvel's heavier hitters, I highly doubt he'll be able tobeat an opponent as powerful, intelligent and experienced as Iron Man."

Eh... I figured you would say that. LOL.

#4 Posted by Buckshot (18201 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Alexander Anderson says:

"Isn't the new Blue Beetle just a kid? Unless he is *substantially* more powerful than Marvel's heavier hitters, I highly doubt he'll be able to beat an opponent as powerful, intelligent and experienced as Iron Man."

The Beetle is supposedly very powerful and also very violent. Jamie has to hold it back from doing things that will kill people or destroy the country when fighting enemies that don't need that level of force. Keep in mind, the Beetle was designed to subjugate planets (which would include defeating its champions) for its creators all by itself.

I think it's more a question of if Iron Man can take over the Beetle or not. He's taken over alien robots before (WWH) but it was hard, it took time, and they could resist subsequent attempts, (and they weren't even as sentient or advanced as the Beetle appears to be) so that leads me to believe that he couldn't (or that it would be easier/faster) for him to fight it physically.

The limits and capabilities of the Beetle are unknown so determining the outcome of a physical battle is difficult.

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#5 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

So, there's a large possibility that Jamie could win? Nice.

#6 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4031 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Alexander Anderson says:
"Isn't the new Blue Beetle just a kid? Unless he is *substantially* more powerful than Marvel's heavier hitters, I highly doubt he'll be able to beat an opponent as powerful, intelligent and experienced as Iron Man."
The Beetle is supposedly very powerful and also very violent. Jamie has to hold it back from doing things that will kill people or destroy the country when fighting enemies that don't need that level of force. Keep in mind, the Beetle was designed to subjugate planets (which would include defeating its champions) for its creators all by itself.
I think it's more a question of if Iron Man can take over the Beetle or not. He's taken over alien robots before (WWH) but it was hard, it took time, and they could resist subsequent attempts, (and they weren't even as sentient or advanced as the Beetle appears to be) so that leads me to believe that he couldn't (or that it would be easier/faster) for him to fight it physically.
The limits and capabilities of the Beetle are unknown so determining the outcome of a physical battle is difficult."

Hmmm. What degree of control does Jamie have over his powers? I'm still inclined toward Iron Man; the only way I see him losing this is in an upset victory where he doesn't take Jamie seriously and gets taken by surprise. If he starts the fight treating Jamie as a serious threat, I think his greater intelligence and experience will prevail.

#7 Posted by Buckshot (18201 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

The armor does what Jamie says in most circumstances. Exceptions: When GLs are present the armor will attack (Jamie can calm it down though) and also causes GLs to attack full on (I think it says something that the Beetle can fight against GLs), when other Reach technology is present, the armor won't attack it (Jamie can override this), and the armor won't hurt plant life (Jamie can override this as well). The armor is more like a partner than armor, so it's not much like Iron Man's suit, but for the most part the armor does what Jamie says. The positive side of the armor having a mind of its own is that its smarter than Jamie and has all the knowledge its creators have of space, alien races, sciences, technology, magic, etc. Jamie may not be smart but the armor can tell him whatever he needs to know. If Jamie doesn't know how to deal with a threat, the armor can tell him or just act, but Jamie's a clever kid so he does ok on his own. Also, Jamie is the only thing holding the armor back from just going crazy and killing everything around him with planet scarring weaponry. That technology is accessible to him (the armor wants him to use it) but Jamie won't unless it's necessary, and it hasn't been yet. That enough info on the kind of control Jamie has?

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#8 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4031 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"The armor does what Jamie says in most circumstances. Exceptions: When GLs are present the armor will attack (Jamie can calm it down though) and also causes GLs to attack full on (I think it says something that the Beetle can fight against GLs), when other Reach technology is present, the armor won't attack it (Jamie can override this), and the armor won't hurt plant life (Jamie can override this as well). The armor is more like a partner than armor, so it's not much like Iron Man's suit, but for the most part the armor does what Jamie says. The positive side of the armor having a mind of its own is that its smarter than Jamie and has all the knowledge its creators have of space, alien races, sciences, technology, magic, etc. Jamie may not be smart but the armor can tell him whatever he needs to know. If Jamie doesn't know how to deal with a threat, the armor can tell him or just act, but Jamie's a clever kid so he does ok on his own. Also, Jamie is the only thing holding the armor back from just going crazy and killing everything around him with planet scarring weaponry. That technology is accessible to him (the armor *wants* him to use it) but Jamie won't unless it's necessary, and it hasn't been yet. That enough info on the kind of control Jamie has?"

Yeah, that seems pretty comprehensive. :) This would be an interesting fight, Jamie could pull off a nice underdog victory (and it would so satisfying to see Iron Man get stomped by a youngster).

#9 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"The armor does what Jamie says in most circumstances. Exceptions: When GLs are present the armor will attack (Jamie can calm it down though) and also causes GLs to attack full on (I think it says something that the Beetle can fight against GLs), when other Reach technology is present, the armor won't attack it (Jamie can override this), and the armor won't hurt plant life (Jamie can override this as well). The armor is more like a partner than armor, so it's not much like Iron Man's suit, but for the most part the armor does what Jamie says. The positive side of the armor having a mind of its own is that its smarter than Jamie and has all the knowledge its creators have of space, alien races, sciences, technology, magic, etc. Jamie may not be smart but the armor can tell him whatever he needs to know. If Jamie doesn't know how to deal with a threat, the armor can tell him or just act, but Jamie's a clever kid so he does ok on his own. Also, Jamie is the only thing holding the armor back from just going crazy and killing everything around him with planet scarring weaponry. That technology is accessible to him (the armor *wants* him to use it) but Jamie won't unless it's necessary, and it hasn't been yet. That enough info on the kind of control Jamie has?"

That's all we need to know. LMAO.
Post Edited:2007-12-07 02:51:17

#10 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Alexander Anderson says:

"Yeah, that seems pretty comprehensive. :) This would be an interesting fight, Jamie could pull off a nice underdog victory (and it would so satisfying to see Iron Man get stomped by a youngster)."

If Jamie were to win, I wouldn't consider it an underdog victory. Without knowing enough of his ability level to determine who would win, it would seem that the chances of the Beetle outstripping the capabilities of Iron Man's armor seems very high. A weapon that was made to take over planets on its own would seem to be a little bit out of Iron Man's league.

#11 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4031 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

By underdog I meant that Jamie's just a kid who's new to being a superhero, so he wouldn't be expected to win against a veteran like Iron Man.

#12 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Jaime has proven himself, his tecnology is in my opinion way ahead of Ironman's

He may be a kid, but the scarab is very inteligent and guides him perfectly

It also has a lot of power that he has showed. Recently he beated future Bart Allen without any problem.

BB wins

#13 Posted by The Speedster (421 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

BB.

#14 Posted by Zoom (14636 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"Jaime has proven himself, his tecnology is in my opinion way ahead of Ironman's He may be a kid, but the scarab is very inteligent and guides him perfectly It also has a lot of power that he has showed. Recently he beated future Bart Allen without any problem. BB wins"

That wasn't a real fight, though.

Didn't he trick Bart into touching an electric field or something?

#15 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Zoom says:

"Nighthunter says:
"Jaime has proven himself, his tecnology is in my opinion way ahead of Ironman's He may be a kid, but the scarab is very inteligent and guides him perfectly It also has a lot of power that he has showed. Recently he beated future Bart Allen without any problem. BB wins"
That wasn't a real fight, though.
Didn't he trick Bart into touching an electric field or something?"

he just did a energy cacoon, the fact that bart tried to enter it by vibrating is his fault.

his armor are way ahead than ironman, and his scarab gives him info and things needed to defeat enemies

#16 Posted by Zoom (14636 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

What kind of an energy cocoon hurts phased people?

Would it have hurt him if he wasn't phasing?

#17 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Zoom says:

"What kind of an energy cocoon hurts phased people?Would it have hurt him if he wasn't phasing?"

Why can't an energy cocoon hurt him? It wasn't in a solid state, so maybe it scrambled his molecules or something when he tried. If he wasn't phasing, he would probably get the same result.

#18 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Anyone have a scan of that? I want to see it.

#19 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Copy says:

"Anyone have a scan of that? I want to see it."

Here you go, Pimptight. Enjoy...

#20 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Copy says:
"Anyone have a scan of that? I want to see it."
Here you go, Pimptight. Enjoy... "

Cool thanks.

#21 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Copy says:
"Anyone have a scan of that? I want to see it."
Here you go, Pimptight. Enjoy...
"

damn you beated me to it

#22 Posted by Buckshot (18201 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Respek the Beetle!

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#23 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Oh and I got this from wiki. Its totally makes me think beetle now lol

In Blue Beetle #21, Jaime alludes to weapons powerful enough to harm even the Spectre, one of DC's more powerful characters. Jaime says that the scarab "offered him option after option after option each more jacked up then the last, real W.M.D. type stuff". Jaime's refusal to use lethal force seems to be the only thing keeping these weapons from coming into play.

#24 Posted by Zoom (14636 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

There you go.

Something tells me that wasn't an energy cocoon, though.

I mean, Bart seemed to think that if it was an energy cocoon that he'd be able to just phase through it.

Either TT Bart is an incredible idiot or there's more to that cocoon.

The only stuff with the new Blue Beetle I've read are the last few issues of Titans, so I didn't know what the heck it was.

#25 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Copy says:

"Oh and I got this from wiki. Its totally makes me think beetle now lolIn Blue Beetle #21, Jaime alludes to weapons powerful enough to harm even the Spectre, one of DC's more powerful characters. Jaime says that the scarab "offered him option after option after option each more jacked up then the last, real W.M.D. type stuff". Jaime's refusal to use lethal force seems to be the only thing keeping these weapons from coming into play."

yeah little Jaime may be one of DC's powerhouse with only a year of training

wonders if he'll defeat alone the titans army

#26 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

I'm beginning to think that if Blue Beetle went up against Iron Man, the beetle armor would know what to do to defeat him.

I think I'll go with Blue Beetle.

#27 Posted by Akira Overdrive (9955 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Respek the Beetle!"

Re..spek!!

#28 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"I'm beginning to think that if Blue Beetle went up against Iron Man, the beetle armor would know what to do to defeat him.I think I'll go with Blue Beetle."

yeah his scarab would probably know, he has knowladge of how to defeat any enemy

#29 Posted by Zoom (14636 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

If Blue Beetle can hurt the Spectre (and I'm not sure I believe he can considering how powerful the Spectre is) then he'll beat Iron Man for sure.

Maybe he'll replace Supergirl. The Titans don't need 3 super fast super strong flying chicks.

#30 Posted by Buckshot (18201 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Copy says:

"Oh and I got this from wiki. Its totally makes me think beetle now lolIn Blue Beetle #21, Jaime alludes to weapons powerful enough to harm even the Spectre, one of DC's more powerful characters. Jaime says that the scarab "offered him option after option after option each more jacked up then the last, real W.M.D. type stuff". Jaime's refusal to use lethal force seems to be the only thing keeping these weapons from coming into play."

Keep in mind, it gave him options, but there's no clue how successful they'd be. He asked the armor to give him something nonlethal that would stop the Spectre and it shot an anti-magic bubble meant to contain him but it that didn't do much. There's no telling how effective anything else might be even if it were meant to be lethal. I have no doubt that it would be amazingly destructive, but there's nothing to say that it could stop the Spectre. On top of that, the Spectre paralyzed him just by touching him and the armor couldn't do anything about it.

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#31 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Zoom says:

"If Blue Beetle can hurt the Spectre (and I'm not sure I believe he can considering how powerful the Spectre is) then he'll beat Iron Man for sure.Maybe he'll replace Supergirl. The Titans don't need 3 super fast super strong flying chicks."

I remember that the original idea was that Supergirl joined and BB only made appearances

but obviosuly BB will stay since he is still a member in feb of 08

and on teen titans #55, the summary says that one titan leaves forever, and there are mentioned as members: Robin, Wonder Girl, Blue Beetle, Kid Devil and Ravager

maybe the decision was reversed, and supergirl leaves instead of BB

#32 Posted by GamblerO (11 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Ironman is but more powerful than bug

bug will be crushed under the force that is but Ironman

#33 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Copy says:
"Oh and I got this from wiki. Its totally makes me think beetle now lol In Blue Beetle #21, Jaime alludes to weapons powerful enough to harm even the Spectre, one of DC's more powerful characters. Jaime says that the scarab "offered him option after option after option each more jacked up then the last, real W.M.D. type stuff". Jaime's refusal to use lethal force seems to be the only thing keeping these weapons from coming into play. "
Keep in mind, it gave him options, but there's no clue how successful they'd be. He asked the armor to give him something nonlethal that would stop the Spectre and it shot an anti-magic bubble meant to contain him but it that didn't do much. There's no telling how effective anything else might be even if it were meant to be lethal. I have no doubt that it would be amazingly destructive, but there's nothing to say that it could stop the Spectre. On top of that, the Spectre paralyzed him just by touching him and the armor couldn't do anything about it. "

That is true.

#34 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Bacccccccccccccccccccck. NOT! But Iron man loses.

#35 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Copy says:

"Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Bacccccccccccccccccccck. NOT! But Iron man loses."

should I know this Gamblero?

#36 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"Copy says:
"Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Bacccccccccccccccccccck. NOT! But Iron man loses."
should I know this Gamblero? "

No. Its a thing back in the day. And damn this entire thread makes me wanna go back to having my blue beetle armor again lol. I'll have to think about it now lol.

#37 Posted by Zoom (14636 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"Zoom says:
"If Blue Beetle can hurt the Spectre (and I'm not sure I believe he can considering how powerful the Spectre is) then he'll beat Iron Man for sure. Maybe he'll replace Supergirl. The Titans don't need 3 super fast super strong flying chicks."
I remember that the original idea was that Supergirl joined and BB only made appearances but obviosuly BB will stay since he is still a member in feb of 08 and on teen titans #55, the summary says that one titan leaves forever, and there are mentioned as members: Robin, Wonder Girl, Blue Beetle, Kid Devil and Ravager maybe the decision was reversed, and supergirl leaves instead of BB"

I hope so.

Ravager, Kid Devil, and Miss Martian are awesome. Tim and Cassie have potential and are usually cool (I just don't think they should date). Supergirl just doesn't do much for me, personally.

#38 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Copy says:

"Nighthunter says:
"Copy says:
"Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Bacccccccccccccccccccck. NOT! But Iron man loses."
should I know this Gamblero? "
No. Its a thing back in the day. And damn this entire thread makes me wanna go back to having my blue beetle armor again lol. I'll have to think about it now lol."

do it, blue beetle has become in almost no time one of my favorite heroes

#39 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"Copy says:
"Nighthunter says:
"Copy says:
"Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Bacccccccccccccccccccck. NOT! But Iron man loses."
should I know this Gamblero? "
No. Its a thing back in the day. And damn this entire thread makes me wanna go back to having my blue beetle armor again lol. I'll have to think about it now lol."
do it, blue beetle has become in almost no time one of my favorite heroes

" />http://i20.tinypic.com/5f27n9.jpg"

I'll decide tomorrow. Need time to think cause I've like being a werewolf but I might. Give me to tomorrow or later.

#40 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Zoom says:

"Nighthunter says:
"Zoom says:
"If Blue Beetle can hurt the Spectre (and I'm not sure I believe he can considering how powerful the Spectre is) then he'll beat Iron Man for sure. Maybe he'll replace Supergirl. The Titans don't need 3 super fast super strong flying chicks."
I remember that the original idea was that Supergirl joined and BB only made appearances but obviosuly BB will stay since he is still a member in feb of 08 and on teen titans #55, the summary says that one titan leaves forever, and there are mentioned as members: Robin, Wonder Girl, Blue Beetle, Kid Devil and Ravager maybe the decision was reversed, and supergirl leaves instead of BB"
I hope so. Ravager, Kid Devil, and Miss Martian are awesome. Tim and Cassie have potential and are usually cool (I just don't think they should date). Supergirl just doesn't do much for me, personally."

Agree.

#41 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Zoom says:

"Nighthunter says:
"Zoom says:
"If Blue Beetle can hurt the Spectre (and I'm not sure I believe he can considering how powerful the Spectre is) then he'll beat Iron Man for sure. Maybe he'll replace Supergirl. The Titans don't need 3 super fast super strong flying chicks."
I remember that the original idea was that Supergirl joined and BB only made appearances but obviosuly BB will stay since he is still a member in feb of 08 and on teen titans #55, the summary says that one titan leaves forever, and there are mentioned as members: Robin, Wonder Girl, Blue Beetle, Kid Devil and Ravager maybe the decision was reversed, and supergirl leaves instead of BB"
I hope so.
Ravager, Kid Devil, and Miss Martian are awesome. Tim and Cassie have potential and are usually cool (I just don't think they should date). Supergirl just doesn't do much for me, personally."

yeah but there's also the option of miss martian leaving the team

I remember that the reason they put her in the first place was because didio didn't want to put supergirl as a OYL member. She also has had some issues since she met Sungirl and her old self.

so only time will tell

#42 Posted by Zoom (14636 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Didio can never make up his mind about anything.

If Miss Martian leaves, it'll be a waste of the character as well as a bunch of recent character development.

#43 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Zoom says:

"Didio can never make up his mind about anything.If Miss Martian leaves, it'll be a waste of the character as well as a bunch of recent character development."

true, true

there again, she can be in another book, her carrer doesn't have to stop in TT

#44 Posted by Zoom (14636 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"Zoom says:
"Didio can never make up his mind about anything. If Miss Martian leaves, it'll be a waste of the character as well as a bunch of recent character development."
true, true there again, she can be in another book, her carrer doesn't have to stop in TT"

Yeah, but then I'd have to pay for an extra book. :-P

#45 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Zoom says:

"Nighthunter says:
"Zoom says:
"Didio can never make up his mind about anything. If Miss Martian leaves, it'll be a waste of the character as well as a bunch of recent character development."
true, true there again, she can be in another book, her carrer doesn't have to stop in TT"
Yeah, but then I'd have to pay for an extra book. :-P"

lol she's worth it

#46 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Copy says:
"Anyone have a scan of that? I want to see it."
Here you go, Pimptight. Enjoy...
"

Aha! OWNED!!!

#47 Posted by Buckshot (18201 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

A little respect for the dearly departed please.

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#48 Posted by Nighthunter (28542 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"A little respect for the dearly departed please."

but he'll come back soon. so what's the problem?

#49 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the departed, that was a really good movie

#50 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 5 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

GamblerO says:

"http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1455/83749-iron-man_400.jpgIronman is but more powerful than bugbug will be crushed under the force that is but Ironman "

Tin Man!? Pffft.......