Lobo blitzed Superman before, Lobo has shown to use superman against robot, so its pretty clearly Lobo does have some degree of Superspeed, so whats the argument that Lobo isnt fast.
, only difference being against an Eclipso amped Superman, and has consistently held his own against fast people.
Has few feats outside of Superman fight as well.
So in short there is nothing to show he was slow.
I can't hear anything over the internet. Best I can do is interpret your writing and I'm not intentionally ignoring anything you've said thus far. If you think I've had, feel free to be specific as to what I'm not "hearing." You've all made it abundantly clear he's blitzed a slower iteration of Superman from the past. Outside that he hasn't shown me anything particularly beyond most street level characters in speed. I wouldn't even call what Eclipso Superman did to him a speed-blitz since it was more or less four consecutive punches that dropped Lobo, it's about as much of a speed-blitz as Thor dropping Gladiator in three hits.
Thor's held his own against an assortment of "fast" characters, if none of them even bothered to apply their speed why would it matter if he had? Even the Silver Surfer was speeding around to fight Thor in orbit. Lobo isn't slow, he just isn't anywhere close to as fast as Superman and friends are when they're written at their peak's (although that might be saying something about the people he's fought). We've seen some element of Superspeed but it wasn't out of Namor's ball-park to be honest and that isn't saying much.
Although Nova apart from flying around at super speed isnt really know to be fast, nor has he ever really shown anything really concrete about speed.
Marvel really, only ever has, fixed speedsters show speed.
He's the human rocket, I don't know how that isn't supposed to be fast. Although he did do that FLT kick to break that star-system barrier once upon a time that fried him.
I like how you are using only 3 panels from the fights.
Lets look at the full fight.
So a bloodlusted Thor there fights Masterson for a whole issue and cant still win, in fact doesnt even get any real advantage but we are supposed to believe Thor just massively outclasses him?
After all Erik Masterson was Thor. He has all the powers of Thor, and any sort of hyper-perception he would have. Only thing he was missing is experience and skill.
Skill can account for speed, so some small extent, but its not going to make you from slower than Spiderman to as fast as Superman.
Warlock was describing Thor has being as fast as lighting, you can go around in it in circles, thats pretty solidly been debunked, given Iron Fist is faster.
And its not like he blitzed them or anything.
I've seen the fight, I've posted it on Vice more than enough times to boot. Masterson wasn't at all Thor's equal that fight.
Masterson initially to his own admission believes Thor to be his superior in strength and could not land a blow on him despite his efforts. In said fight, Thor is slapping him around as Masterson desperately trying to keep Mjolnir in his possession. It's all just one big showing as to why Thor is the legitimate God of Thunder and his superiority to his replacement. The only hit Masterson gets that actually was effective was with Mjolnir and that was while Thor was CHOCKING HIM OUT.
You could pretend that this wasn't a one-sided fight, but it clearly was. If he had all the powers of Thor than why is Thor muttering on about giving him his power and how Masterson believes Thor to be stronger? Because Masterson had a long run, it was however plagued with a slew of moments that said "he's no Thor". There's a reason he was calling himself a dork. It doesn't help Thor inevitably kills the man to boot or that his son is clearly not in Thor's league.
How do you solidly debunk that? And what does this have to do with Iron Fist? You're stringing a bunch of nonsensical elements together as an argument.
Show me Thor getting "blitzed" by Wolverine, because that didn't even happen in the abysmal Wolverine VS Thor narrative. The best Wolverine gets is his magical appearance in the sky and a few direct hits (but lucky for Thor he has that Asgardian skin - the stuff that didn't help Asgardians at all against Daken), outside that Thor was actually defending himself from him in that fight.
Pretending what? Wolverine VS Thor was a badly written comic-book that made Wolverine out to be a moron and Thor to be a weaker version of the Hulk with better durability? It doesn't take much pretending. I don't know, how many "slow" people have defeated Thor over the course of his thousands of appearances? What goes both ways?
I can try something similar with Thor when he was getting blitz the same way by Mangog
Still doesnt change the fact that Marvel puts Mangog has one of the slowest brute there is, and puts Hulk and Hercules at same speed, coz they actually are (Hercules of course is more skilled)
How is Mangog smashing Thor a handful of times compare to Hercules dropping multiple dozens of punches on the Hulk's face in the matter of two short sentences?
On panel evidence that Thor is slow and no where close to Superman or the likes in terms of speed:
1. Blitz by Mongoose (The Mighty Thor 391), who cant even tag spiderman
2. Blitz by Mongoose again (The Mighty Thor 408)
He tagged Spiderman with his gas and Thor saved Spiderman's life. Where's the blitz in the first book? - Mongoose as banking on Thor exhausting himself to beat him. Thor however quite literally does a twirl and sends him packing. The second one Thor is dazed and disoriented from the Gas so he can't defend himself. (Thor picked a bad time to start breathing air I guess) Mongoose would not be able to replicate these showings in modern comics to boot.
So thanks for finally giving me a clear look at these scans, so we could finally dismiss this myth surrounding Classic Thor being blitz by Mongoose, who can only do that to Thor after he's been gassed up / weakened. You know, sorta like how you claimed was an issue with Wolverine, except in this case he was actually handicapped. Thor at full health = Mongoose can't blitz.
No Captain America was commenting about an off-panel issue Thor had with the same exercise, in order to make Masterson feel better. Generally if it isn't on panel, and in this case X-character is trying to make Y character feel better about themselves, it isn't worth posting. Case and Point:
I heard the Sentry beat Galactus off-panel. X-Man helped too, those two = Galactus. How often do people bring that up in a debate for the Sentry and have it taken seriously? Why is this different? Because of double-standards, that's why. The Sentry's was at least corroborated by X-Man, Cap here is just muttering on about something that wasn't consistent with a depowered Thor that was able to hang with him and save his life.
Not Thor and Thor's actually killed Spiderman anyways with a hammer toss into orbit (canon).
Like I said what's hilarious about this showing is Wolverine performs better than a host of cosmic beings and Gods. Not to mention no-shows Thor's thunderbolts with his awesome aura.
How fast is Chulain then? Lobo fast? Or even faster? All I know is he drops the Warrior's Three about as easily as Thor did in Everything Burns.
Fun Fact -, albeit the gap people perceive, if this is any evidence for it, isn't worth noting.
Tom Brevroot doesnt even believe Thor can run at 150 miles per hours, yeah significantly slower than Superman (unless we could flying around with his hammer shows he is fast)
Tom Brevroot only said he can't recall Thor doing anything close to what the handbooks say he can in regards to running speed. Which is completely true and it only further undermines your next argument considering you go right to those handbooks / bios.
Not the most stellar part of the argument right here.
The bio doesn't even confirm that his uncles are long dead, which they are and lumps him with Masterson. And honestly since when were Bios or handbooks remotely accurate?
All you've shown me is an impaired Thor getting blitzed by Mongoose decades ago because of being gassed. That you believe, despite the clear disparity to the contrary, that Masterson is interchangeable with Thor (god forbid we bring in Beta Ray Bill). That Wolverine lasts more than a second against Thor in any fight written with half a brain in mind or _______ god is pretty fast and floored the Warrior's three and stopped Thor from getting his staff before knocking him out.
That's pretty much it. Nothing to disagree with, just plenty to point out as flawed reasoning. Just sayin.