It's fine that you don't agree. I honestly didn't want to approach this argument from a speed perception, because it would turn out something like this. To extent the Surfer wasn't always as fast as he is depicted today - he's never been quite slow - but you get the idea. Personally I don't see Lobo as a particularly fast character. Maybe he has some element of super-speed, but nothing on the levels of Superman.
Czarnia will smite me for saying that, but what's a man to do? The closest thing to speed Lobo's been depicted as having is launching a barrage of punches on a no-name GL.
Why such a hate for Lobo, i see a lot of supposition without no concrete thing to back it up. Lobo was written to be pretty fast in classic days, i can try and look for a scan , pretty sure there are a lot more (but i am not as familiar with Lobo as i am with marvel character). Here's one that i can recall from the top of my head.
I'm not sure about being beaten more consistently by slower characters, although Thor's mentality has landed him a number of losses simply because he used to fight like a moron in most of his one on ones when the writer didn't want Thor to steamroll who he was fighting. And at time's he's actually done what he claimed to, but again If I start mentioning anything point I fear the might of posters who will swamp me to discuss Thor's speed for some godly unknown reason here in this thread. This thread couldn't have less to do with Thor.
You are the one who brought up Thor's speed i did not.
Secondly, look at Thor's rogue gallary: Mangog, Ulik (although Thor pretty much always beats him), Urock, Destroyer Armor, Ego/ Ego Prime etc, all pretty slow when it comes to reaction.
Because we're talking human expressions, being used by a being that isn't human vs otherwise. The writer of that narrative wanted to establish how Thor was doing what he was doing and that was by having Thor moving as fast as the lightning he commands. Albeit it's hard to argue Thor is slower than street levelers, and have you (not nearly as good as Iron Fist's bullet feat, but you get the idea). I'm confused on the Clark mention there.
The underlined feat, so has Hulk (catching RPG)
We can argue in circles on what you believe the writers intention was, but fact is on panel it says as fast as lightning he commands, while Iron Fist reaction as been described as "faster" than lightning. Even if you wanna hang on to that feat, Iron Fist, has shown better.
How many books has Superman been in that feature the title "SUPERMAN VS WOLVERINE" or are from decades ago when a character like Mongoose was a thing? It's honestly nothing different from Karate Kid flooring pre-crisis Superman or flooring any kryptonian now really. They're all infinitely faster, but he's going to judo chop them all the same.
Karate Kid was constantly shown to be pretty fast, Mongoose wasnt he was unable to actually even tag Spiderman in the same issue he blitz Thor. So there's a difference. Also pretty sure Superman has never said , OMG Karate Kid is faster than I am.
And the rest honestly seems like an excuse a Thor fan would try and make.
I mean if he was really fast, why cant you show me a real feat of Thor (or Silver Surfer) ever actually blitzing anyone? A clearly indication of them running circles around someone? Without trying to over-explain what happened with SS during his fight with Hulk on world war Hulk.
I feel like George Lucas whenever I hear Wolverine VS Thor being brought up in every debate, it's like the Star-Wars Christmas special (canon). The context of the entire book is to have Thor fight Logan, it's like Iron Man vs Thor books where Bleeding Edge isn't getting rolled over by Thor despite showings prior that indicated otherwise.
Hickman having Thor one-shot Logan effortlessly in Uncanny Avengers #2 (?) is unlikely to wash away the stupid of Wolverine vs Thor, but it's better than nothing.
From bottom up, in the next issue Wanda was capable of just standing there, slowing time , before Thor from a short distance could even smite her, and Wanda at that issue was injured, Thor wasnt.
See you can try and nitpick stuffs and all, but fact is Thor isnt shown to be faster, and the only way to actually wash away Thor getting blitzed by Street level would to for Thor to actually show speed, blitz someone, run circles around someone before they can even touch him.
Fact is from bio to writers commentary, has been in regards to Thor being slow. Its just people refusing to accept what is pretty clear.
Yes and people tend to be hanging on to those showing to suggest Thor is fast most often than not. When the clear constant potrayal from the last 3 decades have been otherwise.