Battle to the death. Out for blood (haha). No morals. Blade gets his adamantium swords. Steve Rogers gets his shield.
Who wins. My money is on Blade.
Blade vs. Captain America
I have to go with Blade.....
In my opinion I think he is a better fighter and his vampire powers will give him the edge.
Cap knows since this is a fight to thedeath he's in deep shit so he doesn't mess around. He uses his superior fighting skills and shield to disarm and then decapitate Blade.
Captain America defeats ( and in this case that means slays) MARVEL's blaxploitation vampire. Cap then ponders; " I wonder if Dane or Clint could use some adamantium swords?"
Cap should win this.
He is superior h2h fighter
( he has beaten Crossbones, even without the super soldier serum, he has beaten daredevil and beast etc....)
( he stated that he can dodge bullrts because he can see faster and he was blocking bullets from different directions while he was falling etc...)
And he is also better tacitian
( one of his very simple feats, was that he put spidey in a mid-air position where he couldn't dodge. Spidey himslef stated that he did what cap wanted him to do )
Seriously, Cap's skills and tactical intellect will be enough to incapacitate Blade and then take off his head and kill him IMO!
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Only, he's not written logically because Marvel doesn't want to upset fanboys of other characters.
"I honestly don't see why people rank Blade as one of the best. "
Nobody said he was the best.
But whenever he's matched with an A-lister he's given WIS and PIS.
Whenever I've read his solo series, he constantly does things that would logically mean he should wipe the floor with most street levelers anyday of the week.
But instead he's written to have trouble h2h with an amateur like Gambit...
I'd love to see some scans, because ever Blade debate has failed to present anything which would rank him as superior (in terms of skill) to top tier street levelers. And Gambit is hardly a novice. He's a master of savate and stick fighting with his adamantium bo-staff, his agility is boosted by his control over kinetic energy, and it has been proven he has what it takes to dodge Wolverine for quite some time (Unless of course, we're going by the poorly written Messiah Complex fight, LOL)
With this in mind, I can point you to the series where he defeats Dracula and his run with Captain Britain. As well as his last solo-run. The way he slaps around vampires and demons, proves there's nothing human about any physical characteristic he possesses relevant in this fight. By all rights he should win against 616 captain America by sheer physical might.
Not that that would ever happen.
@Fatal:
Thanks, but I've seen the majority as well as seen them posted on CV, too. I don't think this would be a stomp for either character, but I hardly see how Blade is above some of the best street levelers when the majority of his feats have been replicated by various other street levelers.
@Crom-Cruach:
proves there's nothing human about any physical characteristic he possesses relevant in this fight
I never stated or meant to imply he's "human". What I'm saying is his physical advantages are hardly anything street level heroes like Cap, Wolverine, and such already face on a regular basis. Here's his official handbook, too.
"@k4tzm4n said:"I honestly don't see why people rank Blade as one of the best. "Nobody said he was the best. "
Rogers is widely agreed on being one of the best (obviously not the best, but up there)street level combatants in the Marvel U. To say Blade stomps him implies Blade is in a superior ranking. I disagree.
" @k4tzm4n: Is cap's strength rated as 4? Because if yes, then he is stronger than Blade. =] "Which proves we can't take that handbook anything close to seriously when in his serie's it's clearly shown he moves faster then any human, he can out-muscle super-human vampires, take hits not human can survive, has super-human reflexes and more
Seriously the Handbooks are utterly useless, they are not written with any actual facts in mind.
"I don't think it'll be a stomp either, but I do think the fight can be very competitive.@Fatal:
Thanks, but I've seen the majority as well as seen them posted on CV, too. I don't think this would be a stomp for either character, but I hardly see how Blade is above some of the best street levelers when the majority of his feats have been replicated by various other street levelers.
" @spidey 15: Blade is stronger than Captain America. "That was what i thinking but why Blade's strength is rated as 3?
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@Crom-Cruach said:
" @spidey 15 said:Cap can move faster than any human too. His reflexes also let him to see faster, one of the reasons that he dodge bullets after they were fired." @k4tzm4n: Is cap's strength rated as 4? Because if yes, then he is stronger than Blade. =] "Which proves we can't take that handbook anything close to seriously when in his serie's it's clearly shown he moves faster then any human, he can out-muscle super-human vampires, take hits not human can survive, has super-human reflexes and more Seriously the Handbooks are utterly useless, they are not written with any actual facts in mind. "
Cap has taken hits from strong guys. Cap is not a normal human either. Also cap doesnt need to out-muscle anyone. He can outskill Blade like he does with every guy that outclasses him physically.
He had outskilled spidey, Beast, Daredevil and he also outskilled Crossbones even without the super soldier serum.
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" @spidey 15 said:Moving "faster than any human" is hardly an impressive feat when we're discussing higher-end street level characters. Deadpool, Wolverine, Captain America, and even Bruce Wayne have done such on multiple occasions. As is, vampires aren't very strong. If my memory serves me right, Morbius could only lift 1,500 lbs. Personally, Blade is always listed at 1 ton, but based on feats I'd personally place him between 1 and 2 tons. I never attempted to discredit Blade's durability or healing factor, but this again is something that is a common threat among street level characters, many of which have overcome on a regular basis. Superhuman reflexes? Same applies. Overall, my point is Blade's physical advantage is hardly enough at all to warrant a stomp." @k4tzm4n: Is cap's strength rated as 4? Because if yes, then he is stronger than Blade. =] "Which proves we can't take that handbook anything close to seriously when in his serie's it's clearly shown he moves faster then any human, he can out-muscle super-human vampires, take hits not human can survive, has super-human reflexes and more Seriously the Handbooks are utterly useless, they are not written with any actual facts in mind."
@Fatal said:
" @k4tzm4n said:"I don't think it'll be a stomp either, but I do think the fight can be very competitive."@Fatal:
Thanks, but I've seen the majority as well as seen them posted on CV, too. I don't think this would be a stomp for either character, but I hardly see how Blade is above some of the best street levelers when the majority of his feats have been replicated by various other street levelers.
Then we're in agreement.
Note I never said it was a stomp I said Blade would clearly win." Moving "faster than any human" is hardly an impressive feat when we're discussing higher-end street level characters. Deadpool, Wolverine, Captain America, and even Bruce Wayne have done such on multiple occasions. As is, vampires aren't very strong. If my memory serves me right, Morbius could only lift 1,500 lbs. Personally, Blade is always listed at 1 ton, but based on feats I'd personally place him between 1 and 2 tons. I never attempted to discredit Blade's durability or healing factor, but this again is something that is a common threat among street level characters, many of which have overcome on a regular basis. Superhuman reflexes? Same applies. Overall, my point is Blade's physical advantage is hardly enough at all to warrant a stomp. "
@spidey 15 said:
Doesn't mean he would win against Blade. See above." Cap can move faster than any human too. His reflexes also let him to see faster, one of the reasons that he dodge bullets after they were fired. Cap has taken hits from strong guys. "
@spidey 15 said:
Blade is far more skilled then Spider-man, has very clear physical advantages over crossbones and is stronger that most vampires even elder ones. He catches cars on foot, effortless dodges bullets has senses and reflexes far above humans. He's also quite smart, he fights dirty and tries to end fights as quickly as he can" Also cap doesnt need to out-muscle anyone. He can outskill Blade like he does with every guy that outclasses him physically. He had outskilled spidey, Beast, Daredevil and he also outskilled Crossbones even without the super soldier serum. =] "
Man do I hate not having scans here to show just how above human Blade is.
There is no question in my mind that Blade would take Cap.
And I like Cap much better then Blade.
" @Crom-Cruach:Fair enough position. I personally make a distinction between unfair match, curbstomp, fair match with a clear victor and stalemate.
To me, saying someone is a clear victor means it's an obvious outcome, therefore an unfair match. "
@Crom-Cruach:
I know these were sent @ Spidey, but I hope you don't mind if I take a shot at them.
Blade is far more skilled then Spider-man
A moot point. The dispute here is Blade wins due to being so physically superior. Well, Spider-Man is leagues above Blade in reflexes, speed, agility, and strength.
Again, they're not even 1 ton lol.and is stronger that most vampires even elder ones.
Deadpool and Wolverine have done the same. Cap has even reached 60 miles per hour.He catches cars on foot
As does Captain America and the previously mentioned street levelers.effortless dodges bullets
Senses is nothing new and won't really play a factor in this match unless the OP has a heavy stealth advantage. Reflexes, same remarks as above.has senses and reflexes far above humans.
He's also quite smart
And happens to be against one of the greatest tactical minds in the Marvel U ;)
e fights dirty and tries to end fights as quickly as he can
He's faced similiar threats in terms of actions.
Man do I hate not having scans here to show just how above human Blade is.
You don't need to prove Blade is above human. It's common knowledge he is. The point is being "above human" is hardly impressive among many of Marvel's street level characters, especially when they're accustom to facing threats physically superior to Blade.
And I like Cap much better then Blade.
I'd actually say I like them around the same level, LOL
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@Crom-Cruach:
Doesn't mean he would win against Blade. See above.
I didn't say that this was the only reason that cap can win. See my post in page one!=P
Blade is far more skilled then Spider-man, has very clear physical advantages over crossbones and is stronger that most vampires even elder ones. He catches cars on foot, effortless dodges bullets has senses and reflexes far above humans. He's also quite smart, he fights dirty and tries to end fights as quickly as he can
Man do I hate not having scans here to show just how above human Blade is.
There is no question in my mind that Blade would take Cap.
And I like Cap much better then Blade.
Blade is far more skilled but i doubt if his physical stats will be a big help here since Cap has gone against far stronger people than Blade and also he had fought better fighters.
Also even if spidey or beast weren't as skilled, they were still faster, stronger and agiler than blade. Maybe spidey holds back, but he had still the advantage in speed but cap's tactical intellect let him to overcome this. As for beast, it's not his style to hold back and he was still humiliated.
As i said before, cap's reflexes let him to dodge bullets from point blank and after they were fired for the reason that he can see faster. He was even able to block bullets from different directions while he was falling.
Cap's is also more skilled IMO. He had outskilled Crossbones without the super soldier serum. That means that cap has fought an amazing fighter who also outclassed him physically.
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Cap beats him up and when he is done he reads Nightstalkers and beats him up even harder for curing the world with that crap
"Why would I mind, the point is to debate :)@Crom-Cruach:
I know these were sent @ Spidey, but I hope you don't mind if I take a shot at them. "
@k4tzm4n said:
A moot point. The dispute here is Blade wins due to being so physically superior. Well, Spider-Man is leagues above Blade in reflexes, speed, agility, and strength.What I was trying to address is the fact that Blade combines far above human abilities with high end skill. Thus why he would clearly win. Spidey by contrast is skill wise one of the worst fighters in the MU. Cap by contrast isn't above what is considered human in the MU.
@k4tzm4n said:
"Yes, but he has the skill to use these abilities and in his own series constantly faces threats far above Cap alone in power and wins, many times because of his physical characteristics. When he's written properly he also shows how highly skilled he is.You don't need to prove Blade is above human. It's common knowledge he is. The point is being "above human" is hardly impressive among many of Marvel's street level characters, especially when they're accustom to facing threats physically superior to Blade.
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So highly skilled+superior physical abilities to Cap= victory for Blade.
Exactly. We were never in disagreement there.What I was trying to address is the fact that Blade combines far above human abilities with high end skill.
That alone isn't reason enough for me. Captain America, while often driven by PIS (Rhino), has years upon years of valid feats proving he can hand with fellow enhanced and low level superhuman threats, which IMHO, is where Blade falls (low level as in below 10 tons)Thus why he would clearly win.
He's pretty damn bad, but that doesn't discredit him as a combatant. His significant physical advantages cannot be denied.
Spidey by contrast is skill wise one of the worst fighters in the MU.
Yes, he is. He's "enhanced". The man can run over 50 miles per hour and dodge bullets after they've been fired.
Cap by contrast isn't above what is considered human in the MU.
In power, is the key word. It isn't Cap's physical level alone which allows him to overcome odds at times.Yes, but he has the skill to use these abilities and in his own series constantly faces threats far above Cap alone in power and wins
When he's written properly he also shows how highly skilled he is.
I'm aware he's skilled, but I wouldn't place him above Daredevil (in hand-to-hand) or Wolverine (when written properly, as well).
So highly skilled+superior physical abilities to Cap= victory for Blade.
And for Cap, he's more skilled, superior tactical mind, and an expert with an unbreakable shield which he'll apply for both defensive and offensive actions. Then there's the fact Captain America has gone toe-to-toe with people in Blade's physical range numerous times.
I don't know how to gauge blade...based on his powers and skills he should win but he's done nothing impressive as far as beating good fighters.
Btw, i don't think blade has any superior reflexes to Steve. He might have a slight superiority in strength but not in reaction timing. Unless someone provide me a scan or tell me an instance where Blade had accomplished anything similar to this then he might be equal in terms of reaction time.
"That alone isn't reason enough for me. Captain America, while often driven by PIS (Rhino), has years upon years of valid feats proving he can hand with fellow enhanced and low level superhuman threats, which IMHO, is where Blade falls (low level as in below 10 tons)"Yes but that's because not many read his series, he doesn't get the spotlight very often and when he's in stories with A-lister the PIS him away. Not that I'm denying Cap's own feats, I'm defending Blade's well written high end feats which in my opinion are clearly superior
@k4tzm4n said:
" He's pretty damn bad, but that doesn't discredit him as a combatant. His significant physical advantages cannot be denied.true but neither can Blade's who is also highly skilled.
@k4tzm4n said:
" Yes, he is. He's "enhanced". The man can run over 50 miles per hour and dodge bullets after they've been fired.his enhancement is described as "peak human ability" and Batman with no such enhancement has many equal feats. Therefore logically we can logically infer that he is withing human limits, while Blade is clearly above them.
@k4tzm4n said:
" In power, is the key word. It isn't Cap's physical level alone which allows him to overcome odds at times.Right but the issue is that none in Blade's skill class have his physical characteristics. Blade is clearly superior to both the Daredevil and Wolverine physically. And even he's not as skilled as then, he's very class. Combine these thing's together and that's why I think he wins.
When he's written properly he also shows how highly skilled he is.
I'm aware he's skilled, but I wouldn't place him above Daredevil (in hand-to-hand) or Wolverine (when written properly, as well).
@k4tzm4n said:
"Right, but who in Blade's physical range has he beaten with Blade's level of skill and experience? That's the problem.And for Cap, he's more skilled, superior tactical mind, and an expert with an unbreakable shield which he'll apply for both defensive and offensive actions. Then there's the fact Captain America has gone toe-to-toe with people in Blade's physical range numerous times"
true but neither can Blade's who is also highly skilled.
Yeah, but i only see Blade being only superior in terms of strength and still the difference is very small. In terms of skills and reaction time, IMO cap has better feats.
Also i can not see the strength advantage being help for blade either, since cap's reaction and shield can protect him.
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Yes but that's because not many read his series, he doesn't get the spotlight very often and when he's in stories with A-lister the PIS him away.
Well, people should at least read his bio before debating against him ;) Regardless, I don't view his display against Gambit or Wolverine PIS. Gambit only got an extra hit after forcing him to dodge cards, they then agreed to stop.
Not that I'm denying Cap's own feats, I'm defending Blade's well written high end feats which in my opinion are clearly superior
Superior in strength, yes, but not by enough to be a match-deciding factor to me. Skill with a sword? Cap has an unbreakable shield. Checkmate LOL
his enhancement is described as "peak human ability" and Batman with no such enhancement has many equal feats.
I believe it was Brubaker who changed it from saying Rogers is peak to enhanced. Considering his strength and speed feats, it makes sense. DC characters are just on a whole other level haha.
Right but the issue is that none in Blade's skill class have his physical characteristics. Blade is clearly superior to both the Daredevil and Wolverine physically.
They all have their own advantages. Blade is physically superior to Daredevil, but Daredevil has superior technique. Blade is superior to Wolverine in strength, but I'd say Wolverine has equally impressive feats in terms of speed and reflexes.
And even he's not as skilled as then, he's very class. Combine these thing's together and that's why I think he wins.
Being "close" to Daredevil doesn't really help since Cap has a clear advantage over Daredevil.
Right, but who in Blade's physical range has he beaten with Blade's level of skill and experience? That's the problem.
Well, Blade is the only one who fits that bill exactly LOL. For a list of physically superior and skilled combatants, I'm sure there are many who would be willing to list characters or even provide scans. But I'm going to watch The Colbert Report and go to sleep. Night.
" @spidey 15: I don't have scans.The best I can do is refer you to the run where he beats Dracula, his latest run with Captain Britain and his own run. Beyond that, all we can do is agree to disagree. "I do not need scans if you can not show me. But if you know any instances where he shows the same level of reaction time to cap, then it will be better.
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