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#1 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow vs. Jason Bourne

  • No prep
  • Takes place in Manhattan, New York
  • Starts off a block away from each other
  • Morals Off
  • H2H Only
  • No gadgets for Black Widow
  • Movie Versions

Please explain using logic and reasoning, and include why.

I'm sorry if this was done already, I looked and I couldn't find this kind of fight under these circumstances.

#2 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

Spite. until i make up my mind.

#3 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

Spite. until i make up my mind.

Widow need more prep? Or does Jason need more time?

#4 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow.

#5 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396 said:

Widow.

Why?

#6 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

She seems physically superior, and the first advantage that came to mind was her prep. So BW.

#7 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

#8 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

Do you believe she stomps him?

#9 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: I do.

#10 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

I will edit the OP to give him more prep time

#11 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: @deadpool6_6_6: Hopefully it's a little bit more fair.

#12 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

Do you believe she stomps him?

I wouldnt say a stomp because it wouldnt be that easy.

#13 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

Do you believe she stomps him?

I wouldnt say a stomp because it wouldnt be that easy.

*Cancels out prep* Hopefully it comes down to a better match

#14 Posted by Megabeast1 (197 posts) - - Show Bio

I say that Black Widow wins, she shows some amazing acrobatic and fighting skills throughout the movie, Bourne is great, but he doesn't seem like he could out fight her up close if that happens, and with there handguns I would assume Bourne is devoured by her bullets

#15 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

Do you believe she stomps him?

I wouldnt say a stomp because it wouldnt be that easy.

*Cancels out prep* Hopefully it comes down to a better match

Isnt widow more skilled as well in fist fighting?

#16 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

Do you believe she stomps him?

I wouldnt say a stomp because it wouldnt be that easy.

*Cancels out prep* Hopefully it comes down to a better match

Isnt widow more skilled as well in fist fighting?

Eh, I'm not in a right position to say, just takes away another reason why people may say she stomps.

#17 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

Do you believe she stomps him?

I wouldnt say a stomp because it wouldnt be that easy.

*Cancels out prep* Hopefully it comes down to a better match

Isnt widow more skilled as well in fist fighting?

Eh, I'm not in a right position to say, just takes away another reason why people may say she stomps.

are you wanting jason to win or something?

#18 Posted by Vance Astro (91118 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow is better in every way that matters.

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#19 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

@deadpool6_6_6 said:

@HBKTimHBK: widow seems more skilled and trained so im going with her.

Do you believe she stomps him?

I wouldnt say a stomp because it wouldnt be that easy.

*Cancels out prep* Hopefully it comes down to a better match

Isnt widow more skilled as well in fist fighting?

Eh, I'm not in a right position to say, just takes away another reason why people may say she stomps.

are you wanting jason to win or something?

I believe both have the potential to win, and I would like to hear an argument for Jason just so I feel like I didn't make a mismatch..but other then that, I have no bias.

#20 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

Hopefully I was able to make this somehow more fair for Jason, without making it such a spite match for either.

#21 Posted by terry2012 (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason Bourne

#22 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012 said:

Jason Bourne

Why?

#23 Posted by Strider92 (16116 posts) - - Show Bio

Letting Bourne take her by surprise and giving him a gun is overkill and with prep he can just do what he did against that guy in Waterloo station. Just follow her into a crowded area and jab a poison needle in her while there's to many people around before leaving. As she doesn't know the hit is on her she wouldn't even know to look for him and in a few minutes she'll be dead.

With these conditions there are to many ways Bourne can kill her, some without her even knowing he's there.

You said Bourne has 7 days to research her. He's an assassin not a guy who runs in to fight someone with his bare hands. Even if he thought he could beat her in H2H he wouldn't even bother to try if he could kill her by not even revealing himself or simply standing a long way off and putting a bullet in her back. Widow wouldn't even have time to react as you said he takes her by surprise.

With the conditions i'd say Bourne takes this easily.

If both where unarmed and no prep then this would be a good fight. Jason stands a chance at wining as he has demonstrated far superior H2H ability.

Widow is good and i'd put her above Desh but the problem is Bourne is unpredictable. He'd pick up the most innocent looking item an use it as a weapon.I think Widow would have trouble eventually due to Bourne's unpredictable fighting style and his ability to use almost anything as a weapon will catch her off guard.

#24 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Letting Bourne take her by surprise and giving him a gun is overkill and with prep he can just do what he did against that guy in Waterloo station. Just follow her into a crowded area and jab a poison needle in her while there's to many people around before leaving. As she doesn't know the hit is on her she wouldn't even know to look for him and in a few minutes she'll be dead.

With these conditions there are to many ways Bourne can kill her, some without her even knowing he's there.

You said Bourne has 7 days to research her. He's an assassin not a guy who runs in to fight someone with his bare hands. Even if he thought he could beat her in H2H he wouldn't even bother to try if he could kill her by not even revealing himself or simply standing a long way off and putting a bullet in her back. Widow wouldn't even have time to react as you said he takes her by surprise.

With the conditions i'd say Bourne takes this easily.

If both where unarmed and no prep then this would be a good fight. Jason stands a chance at wining as he has demonstrated far superior H2H ability.

Widow is good and i'd put her above Desh but the problem is Bourne is unpredictable. He'd pick up the most innocent looking item an use it as a weapon.I think Widow would have trouble eventually due to Bourne's unpredictable fighting style and his ability to use almost anything as a weapon will catch her off guard.

I took away the prep because I wasn't sure who needed how much prep, but then I realized most people were saying that Black Widow would whoop him far too quickly almost to the point of stomping him.

#25 Edited by Strider92 (16116 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: I can see why. Her combat style looks fancy that's why people automatically thinks she stomps but what feats does she actually have that put her on par with Bourne in H2H? None to my knowledge.

Yes she took out a few security guards in Iron Man 2 but anyone of Bourne's enemies(Desh, Castel etc...) and Bourne himself could have done that faster and without the help of gadgets. We already saw him do it in the Bourne Identity. My guess is people look at it and think "Wow her fighting style is awesome thus she must win".

#26 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@HBKTimHBK: I can see why. Her combat style looks fancy that's why people automatically thinks she stomps but what feats does she actually have that put her on par with Bourne in H2H? None to my knowledge.

Yes she took out a few security guards in Iron Man 2 but anyone of Bourne's enemies(Desh, Castel etc...) and Bourne himself could have done that faster and without the help of gadgets. We already saw him do it in the Bourne Identity. My guess is people look at it and think "Wow her fighting style is awesome thus she must win".

My goal is just to not have a stomp in either way...I'm not doing so well lol

#27 Posted by Strider92 (16116 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: Lol a fight between these two unarmed wouldn't be a stomp. I think it could go either way with Jason taking a slim majority due to unpredictably. Don't go just on what i say lol there may have been sumthing in the Avengers I missed. Let a few other people give their options first :p

#28 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@HBKTimHBK: Lol a fight between these two unarmed wouldn't be a stomp. I think it could go either way with Jason taking a slim majority due to unpredictably. Don't go just on what i say lol there may have been sumthing in the Avengers I missed. Let a few other people give their options first :p

At least you believe so haha, yesterday I just kept hearing all these things giving Black Widow the advantage was putting her in a stomp. I'll wait.

#29 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

Bourne.

#30 Posted by ChaosMarvel (991 posts) - - Show Bio

With these conditions I think it'll play out like Strider said. Bourne will kill her before she see's him as was stated he's an assassin not a soldier. In a normal hand to hand fight its close but with Bourne taking the most wins.

#31 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay...this is what I get for changing around my normal conditions.

#32 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@BringnIt said:

Bourne.

Why?

#33 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK Widow only fought one person with real skills, Hawkeye. In that fight she got the jump on him, and it isn't like she completely dominated him. Furthermore, Hawkeye isn't even noted for his H2H skills. Everyone else Widow fought is cannon fodder. Bourne has fought more skilled combatants, in my opinion.

#34 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: *Changed the OP* Screw guns...

#35 Posted by Bo88gdan (4393 posts) - - Show Bio

BLack WIdow !

#36 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bo88gdan said:

BLack WIdow !

Why?

#37 Posted by laflux (14165 posts) - - Show Bio

jason bourne's style of fighting is less asethicially pleasing but more effective imo. His ability to use everyday items as weapons gives him the edge here.

#38 Posted by Strider92 (16116 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Strider92: *Changed the OP* Screw guns...

This brings me back to my original opinion. Good fight and very close but with Bourne taking a small majority due to his resourcefulness and unpredictable fighting style.

#39 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Jason freaking Bourne.
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#40 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

Jason freaking Bourne.

Why?

#41 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@HBKTimHBK said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Jason freaking Bourne.

Why?

Far greater wealth of feats.
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#42 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#43 Posted by Strider92 (16116 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: I wanna see how Aaron Cross stacks up to Bourne. He looks pretty beastly:

#44 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: I hope the movie is good without Matt Damon..

#45 Posted by Erik (31631 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow.

#46 Posted by Strider92 (16116 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: Me too, he made this series. I just hope he comes back for the next one. It'sp perfectly possible as the Bourne Legacy novel didn't involve Bourne directly even though his influence was felt pretty much right the way through it. Hopefully it'll follow the novels and set up his return on the next movie.

#47 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: Sure hope so, I loved the Bourne movies.

#48 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

Widow.

Why?

#49 Posted by Erik (31631 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK:

Because she is better.

#50 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Black Widow's feat in Avengers of the fight with the chair was bested time and time again in the first Bourne movie...and those feats were bested in the 2nd and those were bested in the third...not a spite though edging on one.

So Bourne beats her, and its close to spite...okay