falcon easily. he can fly super fast and can fight. he also has projectiles. even though avenger's towers isn't a wide open space, falcon can still utilize his advantages over her.
He cant really go anywhere distant enough to save himself from her gadgets inside the avengers tower, widow is way more experienced and i see her taking this due to the location.
He cant really go anywhere distant enough to save himself from her gadgets inside the avengers tower, widow is way more experienced and i see her taking this due to the location.
Black Widow doesn't have enough items gadget-wise to make this a close fight. Her stuff is normally for up-close-and-personal combat, not long-range. Her having more experience doesn't negate the fact that Falcon has superior technology and weapons. Since both are Avengers, they have equal knowledge of the Tower, and would not benefit more for either over the other.
This is MCU versions. Widow stomps. What has Falcon actually done? Lost h2h against Brock Rumlow, lost against Ant Man and fired a few shots? His wings don't throw anything in the films (yet). he has guns, which Widow deals with on a good day. She's fought aliens and evil robots alongside the likes of Thor and has come out unscathed. She's basically superhuman in the MCU.
This is MCU versions. Widow stomps. What has Falcon actually done? Lost h2h against Brock Rumlow, lost against Ant Man and fired a few shots? His wings don't throw anything in the films (yet). he has guns, which Widow deals with on a good day. She's fought aliens and evil robots alongside the likes of Thor and has come out unscathed. She's basically superhuman in the MCU.
Rewatch the movie. He hadn't lost. Both succeeded in wearing each other down and seemed awfully matched despite the difference in skill - that fight was even cut short, leaving them the moment they raised back their fists to strike each other. Against Ant-Man, he had the ability to shrink but possessed the normal strength and speed of his original Human size, with which he used to get inside Falcon's wing-tech and dismantle it. Her fighting aliens and robots is no different than being in the middle of a massive aerial assault. She didn't come out unscathed, she was bruised and slightly bloodied. She's nowhere near superhuman in the MCU, her feats are just exaggerated.
@urban_ninja_x: He certainly didn't win, and those were his best showings. Being slightly bruised is almost unscathed. She didn't lose a limb or was severely bleeding. Widow is almost superhuman, that jump off of Cap's shield in the first Avengers film shows that a bit. So fighting the Chitari and a hoarse of Ultron's is "no different than being in the middle of a massive aerial assault", but she can't handle ONE aerial guy who she is training? She's not an idiot, and they are inside. She'd make the situation her advantage and stomp.
@urban_ninja_x: He certainly didn't win, and those were his best showings. Being slightly bruised is almost unscathed. She didn't lose a limb or was severely bleeding. Widow is almost superhuman, that jump off of Cap's shield in the first Avengers film shows that a bit. So fighting the Chitari and a hoarse of Ultron's is "no different than being in the middle of a massive aerial assault", but she can't handle ONE aerial guy who she is training? She's not an idiot, and they are inside. She'd make the situation her advantage and stomp.
Technically, neither won as the building collapsed on Brock (if you don't know, he's Crossbones and is showing up in Captain America: Civil War). His best showings for hand-to-hand combat yes, but not for his overall character. You said "has came out unscathed," where "unscathed" means "without suffering any injury, damage, or harm." She was bruised and slightly bloodied. She's not almost superhuman. She jumped onto Cap's shield and then leaped, with Cap's strength backing her up. It's more a feat for Cap than it is for Widow. You could have used the whole "she grabbed onto the Chitauri flyer which should have dislocated her arm" as a better argument. Why're people using the "training" part at the end of the movie as if to hype Widow's abilities as being above him? He's new to the team, and "training" could consist of her teaching him how the Avengers and SHIELD work or it could mean she's going give him lessons in hand-to-hand; no one knows because it wasn't explained. The Chitauri didn't use gear specifically and personally designed for single-person aerial combat comparable to Falcon's, and the only thing they had close to that were the Chitauri Flyers. Never said she was an idiot, or implied that. Being inside doesn't give either an advantage over the other. Falcon is using his standard weapons, Black Widow doesn't have long-range weapons to counter. This fight is more in favor of Falcon than Widow. And nowhere am I disregarding what Widow is capable of.
Yeah, Widow. I've ALWAYS liked Falcon, but INSIDE a building where it doesn't seem to have very much room for him to use the advantages of him flying? Plus, yes, BW has shown some hellacious armed and unarmed fighting skills against people and beings that SHOULD be out of her league. She adapts, overcomes, and improvises. There is LOTS of cover, dead angles, and places for her to get to in that building, with little chance of him being able to open up on her with those mini-uzis, once he comes close, she has him...period. Much as I hate to say it, because I don't like the MCU BW character particularly.
Cap didn't give her strength to do that jump. His shield was merely a launch pad. My point encompassed her grabbing onto the flyer jet thing.
Being inside gives her lots of advantage. Flacon has less room to fly, and she can force him to stay grounded to closer to the ground by moving thew fight to closer quarters. Widow still has her guns, and she is an excellent shot. Falcons standard weapons aren't exactly that different or impressive. He can fly, but that is all we have seen the suit do so far, and Widow has tech disks that shut down electronics. because of locations and because Widow wouldn't try to fight him while he is in the air and she is on the ground in the open, she would force him into a hand to hand situation where she would win. If this was an open field, then he has a better advantage and if this was the comics then yeah, but this is MCU.
@mr0011011: I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Rogers clearly pushes her up as I described. Here is the time-stamped scene. https://youtu.be/RlGFZNdZkWo?t=2m24s Be aware, and please forgive me, it's a fan-made music video. x_x
After a long debate with myself, Widow does seem to have more of an advantage inside. And it's looking to be a bit one-sided, especially since Falcon's standard gear is the wing suit, and he doesn't have much ground-work. So that leaves little for Falcon to be able to do, except duking it out with a gunfight.
Falcon most likely. I don't remember Natasha ever tagging Someone moving as fast as Sam does. Not to mention, Sam might be more skilled considering he was able to fight Rumlow for a long time.
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