Black Widow Vs Batman
" Batman with ease "@spidey 15 said:
" Batman pretty easily. He is far more skilled. =] "@Crom-Cruach said:
" Batman would own her easy, she's nothing he hasn't schooled before. "@Dane said:
" Black Widow has never done anything in Batman's league. He would destroy her. "@TheMess1428 said:
" Batman. "@American Dragon said:
" Batman "
" Batman with ease "@spidey 15 said:
" Batman pretty easily. He is far more skilled. =] "@saiyan_earthling said:
" Bruce Wayne. He's more knowledgeable, skilled and more of a serious fighter and hero than Natasha. "@Crom-Cruach said:
" Batman would own her easy, she's nothing he hasn't schooled before. "@Dane said:
" Black Widow has never done anything in Batman's league. He would destroy her. "@TheMess1428 said:
" Batman. "@TheMess1428 said:
" Batman. "@skprgb said:
" Batman with ease, tons of skill and experience. "
Batman ... but I don't agree with the others, he won't take her out 'easily'
Black Widow has had extensive training and skills in battle, tactics and weaponry. She'd put up a pretty good fight.
" @Cherry Bomb: Her training isn't close to Bruces, neither are her feats. And Batman's track record is far more impressive. He would school her. Everything she brings to the table, Bruce has seen hundreds of times before. "Very true. BatMan has had training from martial artists such as David Cain and Lady Shiva. He's in top 5 most skilled fighters on New Earth (barring Amazons). Black Widow may be in the top 10 on 616, max. He's also far superior physically, based on feats, and is much more intelligent. BatMan wins this without much trouble.
Like in the movies and cartoons.
" @Crom-Cruach: Yes, of course he'd defeat her, but not that easily. I mean c'mon. She isn't just a pretty face and didn't join the Avengers just for having breasts. "Unlike Sharon Carter -cough-
@spidey 15: Daredevil is skilled enough to take on Bruce.
This doesn't take away at how good she is, it just means we aknowledge where she is. Batman fights at a skill level she could only dream to have, he knows techniques to kill people with a single blow. He was trained by the best at every discipline he ever wanted to master in his world. He's proven smart enough to challenge the Justice League, he's matched wits with a century old mastermind with near infinite ressources.
It's not that Black Widow isn't good. It's that Bats is so much better then her in every relevant way.
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "Batman IS physically better. He is at peak levels while DD is at olympic, also some of his feats suggest that.
Also he is more skilled,he had mastered 127 styles
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Some strength feats
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight.
" @Lance Uppercut said:Agreed." @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight. "
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" @Lance Uppercut said:" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight. "
" @Silver2467 said:" @Lance Uppercut said:Agreed. =] "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight. "
Agreed. Batman takes Black Widow with ease, and beats Daredevil in a good long hard faught fight.
Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility," @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect
Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine
" @Lance Uppercut said:Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile." @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Maintaining the weight of 1000 pounds.
Here he kicks down a steel door.
He bends the barrel of a gun.
Kicks a speeding car's hood off.
A totem pole collapses on his leg. These way approximately a ton or more. Despite being in enormous pain from the impact, through sheer will and determination he manages to lift it off of himself.
There's a door Bruce is trying to get into that can withstand the force of missiles. Bruce throws Dr. Death through it and says he was wrong about the door, but was really underestimating his strength.
Here he rips out prison bars with ease.
Chokes out a trained tiger.
Snaps the neck of a well-trained leopard which is sent by an assassin to kill him.
Here he breaks steel handcuffs.
Here Joker set a trap involving a shark. He snaps the shark's spine with a chain, incapacitating him/her and breaks the shark's glass tank with a wheelchair while having the water resistance pushing him back the whole time.
" @FinalStar86 said:I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is." @Lance Uppercut said:Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile. "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:And you're basing this on... what again?Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
@Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better." @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight. "
" @Silver2467 said:Daredevil shouldn't be able to knock over a limousine either, but he has. Since when does it have to make sense? It's a comic. Captain America may be enhanced, but he's not superhuman. And he's been able to support building rubble with his shield. It doesn't make sense. So what?" @FinalStar86 said:I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is." @Lance Uppercut said:Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile. "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.
Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever.
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" @Silver2467 said:No more ridiculous then Matt flipping a limo over" @FinalStar86 said:I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is. "" @Lance Uppercut said:Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile. "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @FinalStar86 said:" @Lance Uppercut said:And you're basing this on... what again? "Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
@Lance Uppercut said:
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@Silver2467 said:" @Lance Uppercut said:Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better. "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight. "
In most aspects he is, strenght speed durability, Matts only physical advantage is agility. As far as reflexes goes its not a very fair comparison because of Matts radar sense even though Bats still has comparable reflex feats like deflecting bullets and dodging sniper fire
" @Lance Uppercut:Not to mention, BatMan is comparable. BatMan has deflected automatic gunfire with his gauntlets.Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever. =] "Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.
" @Lance Uppercut said:Er, it has to make sense when a missiles force exceeds the character's physical strength. Cap's shield is able to absorb the kinetic impact of debris and rubble, essentially taking the weight and shock off of him. I didn't even bring up the limo, so I'm noter sure where you're going with that." @Silver2467 said:Daredevil shouldn't be able to knock over a limousine either, but he has. Since when does it have to make sense? It's a comic. Captain America may be enhanced, but he's not superhuman. And he's been able to support building rubble with his shield. It doesn't make sense. So what? "" @FinalStar86 said:I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is." @Lance Uppercut said:Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile. "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
" @spidey 15 said:Of course Batman has a good reaction time but i think DD is slightly better. This is my opinion though." @Lance Uppercut:Not to mention, BatMan is comparable. BatMan has deflected automatic gunfire with his gauntlets. "Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever. =] "Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.
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" @Silver2467 said:It wasn't about Cap withstanding the rubble. It was about him supporting a collapsing building. Absorbing kinetic energy doesn't make it weigh any less. My point with the limousine is the fact that that's most likely Daredevil's greatest physical feat, and BatMan has more impressive ones than that." @Lance Uppercut said:Er, it has to make sense when a missiles force exceeds the character's physical strength. Cap's shield is able to absorb the kinetic impact of debris and rubble, essentially taking the weight and shock off of him. I didn't even bring up the limo, so I'm noter sure where you're going with that. "" @Silver2467 said:Daredevil shouldn't be able to knock over a limousine either, but he has. Since when does it have to make sense? It's a comic. Captain America may be enhanced, but he's not superhuman. And he's been able to support building rubble with his shield. It doesn't make sense. So what? "" @FinalStar86 said:I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is." @Lance Uppercut said:Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile. "" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
" @Silver2467 said:All I said is that he's comparable." @spidey 15 said:Of course Batman has a good reaction time but i think DD is slightly better. This is my opinion though. =] "" @Lance Uppercut:Not to mention, BatMan is comparable. BatMan has deflected automatic gunfire with his gauntlets. "Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever. =] "Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.
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