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#1 Posted by WW-Fan (2738 posts) - - Show Bio

they are both amazing fighter and both has amazing skill on weapons who will win the fight? 
 

Black Widow


 
#2 Posted by oiHooliganismoi (518 posts) - - Show Bio

well ill go against the grain and say widow cause im not a batman fan

#3 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman with ease

#4 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman pretty easily. He is far more skilled.
=]

#5 Posted by Fortanono (4889 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow.

#6 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5444 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce Wayne. He's more knowledgeable, skilled and more of a serious fighter and hero than Natasha.

#7 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8855 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would own her easy, she's nothing he hasn't schooled before.

#8 Posted by Dane (10596 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow has never done anything in Batman's league. He would destroy her.

#9 Posted by TheMess1428 (2176 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

#10 Posted by American Dragon (1146 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman

#11 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" Batman with ease "
@spidey 15 said:
" Batman pretty easily. He is far more skilled. =] "
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Batman would own her easy, she's nothing he hasn't schooled before. "
@Dane said:
" Black Widow has never done anything in Batman's league. He would destroy her. "
@TheMess1428 said:
" Batman. "
@American Dragon said:
" Batman "

#12 Posted by skprgb (98 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman with ease, tons of skill and experience.

#13 Posted by Mercy_ (92697 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" Batman with ease "
@spidey 15 said:
" Batman pretty easily. He is far more skilled. =] "
@saiyan_earthling said:
" Bruce Wayne. He's more knowledgeable, skilled and more of a serious fighter and hero than Natasha. "
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Batman would own her easy, she's nothing he hasn't schooled before. "
@Dane said:
" Black Widow has never done anything in Batman's league. He would destroy her. "
@TheMess1428 said:
" Batman. "
@TheMess1428 said:
" Batman. "
@skprgb said:
" Batman with ease, tons of skill and experience. "
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#14 Posted by Cherry Bomb (3189 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman ... but I don't agree with the others,  he won't take her out 'easily' 
Black Widow has had extensive training and skills in battle, tactics and weaponry. She'd put up a pretty good fight.

#15 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8855 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cherry Bomb:   Her training isn't close to Bruces, neither are her feats. And Batman's track record is far more impressive. He would school her. Everything she brings to the table, Bruce has seen hundreds of times before.
#16 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Cherry Bomb:   Her training isn't close to Bruces, neither are her feats. And Batman's track record is far more impressive. He would school her. Everything she brings to the table, Bruce has seen hundreds of times before. "
Very true. BatMan has had training from martial artists such as David Cain and Lady Shiva. He's in top 5 most skilled fighters on New Earth (barring Amazons). Black Widow may be in the top 10 on 616, max. He's also far superior physically, based on feats, and is much more intelligent. BatMan wins this without much trouble. 
#17 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cherry Bomb: If i recall correctly BW had been taken out easy by inferior characters to Bruce like daredevil. Batman is obviously more skilled and physically better. He can win and easy.
=]
#18 Posted by Cherry Bomb (3189 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach:  Yes, of course he'd defeat her, but not that easily. I mean c'mon. She isn't just a pretty face and didn't join the Avengers  just for having breasts.
#19 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cherry Bomb said:
" @Crom-Cruach:  Yes, of course he'd defeat her, but not that easily. I mean c'mon. She isn't just a pretty face and didn't join the Avengers  just for having breasts. "
Daredevil one shoted her though.
=]
#20 Edited by saiyan_earthling (5444 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: Not just that, but Batman can be a smartass sometimes. You'd usually think that when it looked as if a villain would be like he/she had beaten Batman, it is Batman who wins. Batman is like way ahead of his opponents =) 
 
Like in the movies and cartoons.
#21 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cherry Bomb said:
" @Crom-Cruach:  Yes, of course he'd defeat her, but not that easily. I mean c'mon. She isn't just a pretty face and didn't join the Avengers  just for having breasts. "
Unlike Sharon Carter -cough- 
 
@spidey 15: Daredevil is skilled enough to take on Bruce. 
#22 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8855 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cherry Bomb: Being very good at what you do those not change that you loose easily to the best at what you do. And Batman is one of the best. She's not even in the top 10 at what she does. She hasn't anything that batman isn't hundreds of times better at. He would school her, because he's much better then her in every way.
 
This doesn't take away at how good she is, it just means we aknowledge where she is. Batman fights at a skill level she could only dream to have, he knows techniques to kill people with a single blow. He was trained by the best at every discipline he ever wanted to master in his world. He's proven smart enough to challenge the Justice League, he's matched wits with a century old mastermind with near infinite ressources.
 
It's not that Black Widow isn't good. It's that Bats is so much better then her in every relevant way.
#23 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut: He can not beat him though. Batman is more skilled and physically better.
=]
#24 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt?
#25 Posted by drkhwk2001 (4433 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" Batman pretty easily. He is far more skilled. =] "
#26 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Batman IS physically better. He is at peak levels while DD is at olympic, also some of his feats suggest that.
 
Also he is more skilled,he had mastered 127 styles
=] 
Some strength feats 















#27 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight. 
#28 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight.  "
Agreed.
=]
#29 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5444 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15: is Peak actually higher than Olympic? I thought that they were the same.
#30 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5444 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight.  "

#31 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@saiyan_earthling: Yes, it's above it. Peak is very close to super human.
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#32 Posted by Jake Blues (111 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight.  "
Agreed. =] "

Agreed. Batman takes Black Widow with ease, and beats Daredevil in a good long hard faught fight.
#33 Edited by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:

" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "

Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility,
Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect
Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine
#34 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile. 
#35 Posted by Sexy Merc (42072 posts) - - Show Bio

 Maintaining the weight of 1000 pounds.



 
Here he kicks down a steel door.


He bends the barrel of a gun.


Kicks a speeding car's hood off.


A totem pole collapses on his leg. These way approximately a ton or more. Despite being in enormous pain from the impact, through sheer will and determination he manages to lift it off of himself.








There's a door Bruce is trying to get into that can withstand the force of missiles. Bruce throws Dr. Death through it and says he was wrong about the door, but was really underestimating his strength.




Here he rips out prison bars with ease.


Chokes out a trained tiger.




Snaps the neck of a well-trained leopard which is sent by an assassin to kill him.




Here he breaks steel handcuffs.


Here Joker set a trap involving a shark. He snaps the shark's spine with a chain, incapacitating him/her and breaks the shark's glass tank with a wheelchair while having the water resistance pushing him back the whole time.







#36 Posted by Renee (10289 posts) - - Show Bio
@FinalStar86 said:
" Batman with ease "
#37 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile.  "
I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is. 
 
@FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "

Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
And you're basing this on... what again? 
 
@Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight.  "
Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better. 
#38 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc: Some of your scans had been posted by me, but it's ok.
 
Also batman was able to almost break a bazook proof glass while his oxygen was running out 
=]

#39 Posted by Sexy Merc (42072 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15: Uhhhh....I posted those scans more than a week ago in Silver's Batman vs Elektra thread. I just copied and pasted.
#40 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile.  "
I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is.   
Daredevil shouldn't be able to knock over a limousine either, but he has. Since when does it have to make sense? It's a comic. Captain America may be enhanced, but he's not superhuman. And he's been able to support building rubble with his shield. It doesn't make sense. So what?
#41 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut: 

Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.


 
Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever.
=]
#42 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
" @spidey 15: Uhhhh....I posted those scans more than a week ago in Silver's Batman vs Elektra thread. I just copied and pasted. "
So you were the one that i stoled his scans...XD
I hope you didn't mind that...=]
#43 Posted by FinalStar86 (8681 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile.  "
I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is.   "
No more ridiculous then Matt flipping a limo over
 
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "

Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
And you're basing this on... what again? "





@Lance Uppercut said:
"
 
@Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
He has greater physical feats, and he has stalemated such skilled fighters as Dragon, Tiger, and Shiva. Add in his superior intellect and equipment, and BatMan defeats Daredevil after a good fight.  "
Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.  "

In most aspects he is, strenght speed durability, Matts only physical advantage is agility.  As far as reflexes goes its not a very fair comparison because of Matts radar sense even though Bats still has comparable reflex feats like deflecting bullets and dodging sniper fire
#44 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @Lance Uppercut: 

Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.

 Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever. =] "
Not to mention, BatMan is comparable. BatMan has deflected automatic gunfire with his gauntlets. 
#45 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile.  "
I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is.   
Daredevil shouldn't be able to knock over a limousine either, but he has. Since when does it have to make sense? It's a comic. Captain America may be enhanced, but he's not superhuman. And he's been able to support building rubble with his shield. It doesn't make sense. So what? "
Er, it has to make sense when a missiles force exceeds the character's physical strength. Cap's shield is able to absorb the kinetic impact of debris and rubble, essentially taking the weight and shock off of him. I didn't even bring up the limo, so I'm noter sure where you're going with that. 
#46 Posted by Sexy Merc (42072 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15: Hehe, no problem.
#47 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @Lance Uppercut: 

Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.

 Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever. =] "
Not to mention, BatMan is comparable. BatMan has deflected automatic gunfire with his gauntlets.  "
Of course Batman has a good reaction time but i think DD is slightly better. This is my opinion though.
=]
#48 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @FinalStar86 said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @spidey 15: How is Batman physically better or more skilled then Matt? "
Other then flipping a limo, Matt has no feats that would put him on Batmans level physically, the only physical advantage he has is agility, Matt has a gifted intellect, Batman has a genius level intellect Matt is a class 6 fighter on the power scale, Batman would be a 7 putting him on the same level as Cap and Wolverine "
Just to top that feat, BatMan has thrown a scientist through a metallic wall that could withstand a missile.  "
I'd like you to think about that for a second... and really take the time to analyze how ridiculous Batman throwing someone through a wall built to withstand missile fire really is.   
Daredevil shouldn't be able to knock over a limousine either, but he has. Since when does it have to make sense? It's a comic. Captain America may be enhanced, but he's not superhuman. And he's been able to support building rubble with his shield. It doesn't make sense. So what? "
Er, it has to make sense when a missiles force exceeds the character's physical strength. Cap's shield is able to absorb the kinetic impact of debris and rubble, essentially taking the weight and shock off of him. I didn't even bring up the limo, so I'm noter sure where you're going with that.  "
It wasn't about Cap withstanding the rubble. It was about him supporting a collapsing building. Absorbing kinetic energy doesn't make it weigh any less. My point with the limousine is the fact that that's most likely Daredevil's greatest physical feat, and BatMan has more impressive ones than that. 
#49 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc: Glad to hear it.
=]
#50 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @Silver2467 said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @Lance Uppercut: 

Being stronger then Matt doesn't mean he's better physically. Matt is far more agile, and his reflexes and senses are far better.

 Of course DD is better acrobat and had greater reaction and agility feats but no one is unhitable. He had been hit by punisher, cap, BP and others. I'm not saying he can not dodge Batman's hits, but he can't do it forever. =] "
Not to mention, BatMan is comparable. BatMan has deflected automatic gunfire with his gauntlets.  "
Of course Batman has a good reaction time but i think DD is slightly better. This is my opinion though. =] "
All I said is that he's comparable.