@leo-343 said:
@cmcmcmcm: Better tactician????? Look what another user posted above for reference ran out BP, one of the smartest men on marvel earth, grey with prep and quick thinking.
The very fact that Cap hasn't fought anyone that skilled says BP has considerably better skill since he's beaten credible people with actually skillful h2h feats. Cap's stats aren't overwhelmingly better.
Really? The fact BP rarely beaten anyone outside his weight class without prep is testament to Cap being equal if not superior beating threats way beyond his class without prep.
If you read the comics you would know.
1) Captain America showed the tactics to beat Wolverine rather easily with knowledge on the past history with him to get him to lower his guard.
2) Cap again beats Wolverine by knowing a well place grenade on the claws would knock him down, from there Cap was able to use his greater strength to pin him down.
3) Cap when fighting Hulk had back up plan with back up plan on the fly, and no prep to beat Hulk. Being smart enough to use Wasp own super power in a way never seen in the 616 Universe to one shot Hulk.
4) Cap came up with the tactic to beat the Chitari Invasion with a simple plan of Hulk on the fly. Knowing how to guide the Hulk to where he wanted Banner to attack at.
5) Cap figured a way to beat the Cosmic Cube wielding Red Skull with one plan made on the fly involving a teleport Jet.
6) Cap manage to systematically take down with no prep the entire Prepped Avenger roster. Including characters like Nerd Hulk, Warmachine, Hawkeye, as well Black Widow.
7) Cap cam up with a plan on the fly to take down within seconds the Brother hood of Mutants. members included Juggernaut, Rogue, Toad, Master Mind, and more. All with just himself and Hawkeye really.
8) Cap beaten the entire Vampire army of Vampire Nerd Hulk with one on the fly plan involving a Thor Hammer teleport ability. No prep, and won the war with the Vampires in a single move.
9) Cap again with no prep figured a way to get even with Nuke in their final fight.
10) Cap could not find Red Skull, so came up with a plan on the fly to get captured by the Avengers, knowing full well they had the CPU access at the base to track Red skull, and a teleport jet to get to Red Skull.
11) Cap in a few days ended the America second civil war, and became both President of America as well Head of SHIELD through it all by his actions and leadership.
12) Cap figured out how to beat Thor's son with the Mind Gem with on the fly thinking.
13) Cap is stated by Banner to be a dumb kid from brooklyn, turned into a super genius thanks to the super soldier formula.
14) Nick Fury states Captain America learns faster than a super computer thanks to the Super Soldier Formula.
15) Captain America was frozen for over 60 years, yet when thawed out, he easily learns and works with Computers, Hacking files, flying super advance jets, and understanding the limits of super advance tech he been up against.
There is many more examples, and these above were the top of my head. He has shown, and been stated, to have a brain capacity the rivals the best minds on the planet, only he applies this genius to fighting and tactics. BP is just a very smart human who has learn various martial arts, but rarely is seen leading other super power people in battle, nor has feats of on the fly tactics to beat foes much superior to himself. The best he does is with prep. nor does BP have any statements of his brain working faster than a Super Computers own.
He is just a smart scientist, who was King of his country, with training in fighting. Ultimate Cap is a super genius with a super fast processing brain, trained in all forms of military tactics, learns new things that should be hard to learn with ease, leads super humans into battle as well ran a country and SHIELD, and taken down foes of the high tier class with no prep or special gear.
In no way your convincing me BP is smarter in tactics or is winning through what little benefit he has of being slightly more skilled from actual training in various martial arts.
As for the skill argument, BP is more establish with skill for having more comics. More comics does not translate to better fighter, but on the Vine, it is that way with some people. Ultimate Cap however does have plenty of skill feats where he shows all the knowledge of various MMA submission moves, pressure point or "Red Zone" knowledge, and has shown superior skill to characters like Darkhawk, Ult. Sabertooth, Ult. Nuke, Ult. Black Panther, Ult. Nick Fury (who is also enhanced human via Super Soldier Formula), Black Widow 2, Hawkeye, and skilled enough to take down characters like Ult. Hulk, Warmachine, Juggernaut, and Nerd Hulk with a few well placed blows which is proof enough of skill in knowing where and how to strike foes superior to himself.
So here is the facts. Cap is as smart, stronger, more durable, and near enough in skill where he is hardly going to be brought low by the weaker Black Panther with no Vibranium Suit.
Also strength and durability is way above BP. BP with heart shape herb is what? 1 toner by feats? Maybe 2 toner by feats? Ultimate Cap by feats is around 5 toner easy up to 10 toner by some others. He is also more durable as he tank blows that would auto kill or KO BP. blows from 100 toners and more with minimal damage. BP durability feats mostly rely on Vibranium Armor which he does not have here at all. Ultimate Cap also has a damn good healing factor to boot.
BP may dance around a little in the opening fight, but a few good hits and Cap wins, meanwhile BP is no way realistically wearing Ultimate Cap down.
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