Black Panther vs Magneto: A battle for the ages...

" @Umbraa said:

"Mags powers don't affect  vibranium.  "

I wouldn't say all that.... "

" @Static Shock said:

" @Umbraa said:

"Mags powers don't affect  vibranium.  "

I wouldn't say all that.... "

Why not? Everyone keeps saying what Magneto can and can't do to Panther. Vibranium absorbs all energy. Magneto's powers are energy based. That should be the end of that discussion but some people ( not just you Static) don't want to take the facts for what they are. Panther has the defense against Magneto's magnetism. "

" @Mr Creesy said:

" @Static Shock said:

" @Umbraa said:

"Mags powers don't affect  vibranium.  "

I wouldn't say all that.... "

Why not? Everyone keeps saying what Magneto can and can't do to Panther. Vibranium absorbs all energy. Magneto's powers are energy based. That should be the end of that discussion but some people ( not just you Static) don't want to take the facts for what they are. Panther has the defense against Magneto's magnetism. "

If that were true, then Captain Americas shield would have been immune to Magneto's powers, given it's vibranium properties. This is not the case. "

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @Mr Creesy said:

" @Static Shock said:

" @Umbraa said:

"Mags powers don't affect  vibranium.  "

I wouldn't say all that.... "

Why not? Everyone keeps saying what Magneto can and can't do to Panther. Vibranium absorbs all energy. Magneto's powers are energy based. That should be the end of that discussion but some people ( not just you Static) don't want to take the facts for what they are. Panther has the defense against Magneto's magnetism. "

If that were true, then Captain Americas shield would have been immune to Magneto's powers, given it's vibranium properties. This is not the case. "

Captain America's shield is not pure vibranium. Magneto could have very well been affecting the adamantium and iron qualities of the shield and not the vibranium. Vibranium absorbs all energy. Magneto's energy should not be the exception. "

@Lance Uppercut said:

By your logic, the Vibranium qualities would have absorbed his energy. Which was not the case. " 
 
Maybe Magneto found a way to still move the other metals that weren't vibranium in Cap's shield. I don't know. What I do know is that pure vibranium with no other metal interactions should not be effected by Magneto's magentism. Vibranium absorbs all energy componets. Magneto's powers are energy based. These are the facts. Until Magneto picks up Panther and crushes him in his vibranium suit, I will continue to believe that he can't do such a feat cause the facts say other wise. Don't say by my logic. Its Marvel's logic.

" Vibranium absorbs all energy.

" @Mr Creesy said:

" Vibranium absorbs all energy.

This is incorrect. Vibranium doesn't absorb all energy. To date, it's shown to be unaffected against lightning, energy based on the electromagnetic spectrum, lasers, kinetic force, and sound energy. There are various forms of energy in the universe (probably millions), and there's nothing shown that make able to absorb all of them. Perfect example is Iron Fist's chi. The suit was unable to absorb the force from those attacks, and the chi was mystically enhanced. But still, it's energy, and the suit couldn't absorb that. "

Perfect example is Iron Fist's chi. The suit was unable to absorb the force from those attacks, and the chi was mystically enhanced. But still, it's energy, and the suit couldn't absorb that. "

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@yodagod said:

@Mr Creesy: 
 
 Mr. Creesy, I saw in Mr Terrific vs Black Panther that you were thinking of argueing for BP because of the shield-breaker ability of his daggers.  It doesn't apply here.  They can break tech shields.  Magneto's are raised with his power as a warping of the electromagnetic  field and gravitons.  
 
 
 
 
Who is to say that tech shields are weaker just because they're not mutant powered based? Just because Panther hasn't had the chance to break Magneto's forcefields doesn't mean that he can't and if he can break them then what? How does Magneto shrug off 40 rapid fire energy daggers to his old shrivled body? He doesn't... 
 
Saying that Magneto can destroy the most advanced country in the Marvel Universe (Wakanda), without a fight is just ludicris. The Magneto your describing should never be beaten but he has been beaten. Therefore he has flaws that can be exploited and Panther is the perfect character to exploit those flaws. Dr. Doom did it. Why not Panther? 
Let's debate shall we?

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Are you sure Panther was wearing his vibranium suit when Iron Fist damaged it? "

"@Mr Creesy said:

Are you sure Panther was wearing his vibranium suit when Iron Fist damaged it? "

I don't see why he wouldn't be. It was standard in volume 3. The same exact suit that took a blow from Namor and the Hulk. Why wouldn't he be wearing it? "

" BP is simply out classed "

Panther has several different kinds of suits. Sometimes he switches them up and not all of them are vibranium weave. I seen the damage Iron Fist did to Panther's suit (it was devestating). It made me wonder if the suit was vibranium weave or not because I felt the suit should have been able to take tIF's blows without being damaged if it really was woven with vibranium. "

"@Mr Creesy said:

Panther has several different kinds of suits. Sometimes he switches them up and not all of them are vibranium weave. I seen the damage Iron Fist did to Panther's suit (it was devestating). It made me wonder if the suit was vibranium weave or not because I felt the suit should have been able to take tIF's blows without being damaged if it really was woven with vibranium. "

If it wasn't the vibranium suit, then how did Black Panther survive the assaults (that were mystically powered up past Iron Fist's normal Chi levels)? Even though the suit tore, it still offered Black Panther protection. If not, he would have been killed rather than getting knocked out.  If it wasn't the vibranium suit, he would have ended up like the Iron Fist killer at the end of the fight. Without a head. In any case, the vibranium suit in volume 3 was standard. There's no reason for me to assume he didn't always have it on. "

"@Mr Creesy said:

Panther has several different kinds of suits. Sometimes he switches them up and not all of them are vibranium weave. I seen the damage Iron Fist did to Panther's suit (it was devestating). It made me wonder if the suit was vibranium weave or not because I felt the suit should have been able to take tIF's blows without being damaged if it really was woven with vibranium. "

If it wasn't the vibranium suit, then how did Black Panther survive the assaults (that were mystically powered up past Iron Fist's normal Chi levels)? Even though the suit tore, it still offered Black Panther protection. If not, he would have been killed rather than getting knocked out.  If it wasn't the vibranium suit, he would have ended up like the Iron Fist killer at the end of the fight. Without a head. In any case, the vibranium suit in volume 3 was standard. There's no reason for me to assume he didn't always have it on. "

SO who wins?

" @Son Of Storm said:

"SO who wins? "

LOL..Are you being funny?  "

Nope......

"@Mr Creesy:   It takes work to make basically a human character a challenge for someone with Mags powers

   I think a plan similar to this would take Magneto down. Mephisto has to be considered more powerful than Magneto.     
 

"@Mr Creesy said:

Are you sure Panther was wearing his vibranium suit when Iron Fist damaged it? "

I don't see why he wouldn't be. It was standard in volume 3. The same exact suit that took a blow from Namor and the Hulk. Why wouldn't he be wearing it? "

"@yodagod said:

"@Mr Creesy:   It takes work to make basically a human character a challenge for someone with Mags powers

   I think a plan similar to this would take Magneto down. Mephisto has to be considered more powerful than Magneto.     
 

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Wow, and I thought the writers of Black Panther were contradicting earlier established comic lore before.

@sevennames27:
What's contradicting about Panther out smarting Mephisto? If Reed Richards or Doctor Doom did it then it wouldn't be a problem right? Way back when Jack Kirby and Stan Lee were writing Black Panther, Panther was still always three steps of his opponents. That's who his character is. When he first came on the scene he out smarted the Fantastic Four. Panther was always super intellectual and superb tactician. Priest wrote him to have high tech gadgets and weapons to go along with the high tech country that he is the king of (Wakanda). Hudlin married Panther and Storm and made Wakanda unconquerable. Same character, no contradictions to be found. All Magneto's powers mean squat once Panther out smarts him and eventually takes them away. Like it or not, Panther wins. Its not his offensive capabilities that are going to beat Magneto here, its his strategic mind. If you can't accept what I just told you than accept this, Panther is the hero and heroes always win. 
 
For all those who don't know who Blcak Panther is or what he's about I posted a link to help you out. Here you'll find year by year comic feats by Panther which more than makes a case why Panther would own Magneto.  You might have to sign up with the website to view the thread, but trust me its worth it. A remarkable RESPECT thread this guy Thorion put together.
 

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,75726.0.html    

sigh........ does panther get his entourage in the jungle setting?

"sigh........ does panther get his entourage in the jungle setting? "

he needed his entourage to study and create the disrupting field against mephisto.
 
are they fighting in the jungle?
 
not everything in the jungle is non magnetic.
 
i just dont see BP winning this.

"he needed his entourage to study and create the disrupting field against mephisto.  are they fighting in the jungle?  not everything in the jungle is non magnetic.  i just dont see BP winning this. "

mephisto isnt nearly as powerful outside his dimension his power is extremely limited. 
 
so if BP has his entourage and equipment set up in the jungle  supporting BP, magneto would sense it and trash it before it could be activated.

"mephisto isnt nearly as powerful outside his dimension his power is extremely limited.   so if BP has his entourage and equipment set up in the jungle  supporting BP, magneto would sense it and trash it before it could be activated. "

"Why are all the threads labeled "a battle for the ages!" or "BEST BATTLE EVAR!" or "battle to end all battles" terrible terrible curbstomps? "

sense it and trash it before it could be activated. "How can you say that when you don't even know what the tech looks like, what it is made of, or if it needs a whole team to set up? For all we know it could have been built into his suit and made of hard light. As for Mephisto...sigh.....the guy is the "DEVIL"  of Marvel comics. He empowered Ghost Rider. He created Blackheart. Inside his dimension or out, the guy is still able to mop the floor with whoever he wants. Panther beat Mephisto inside and outside his dimension. Could Magneto do that? "

what i am saying here what he did with mephisto doesnt translate to something he can do to magneto.

"It doesn't matter if it was alone or not. He used his brain, and defeated the devil. That is one hell of a feat to pull off. "

"what i am saying here what he did with mephisto doesnt translate to something he can do to magneto. "

" @Mr Creesy said:

" @Lance Uppercut: Read my earlier post. i spoke on that whole magneto crushing BP with magnitism. Not happening. "

Do you have scans to prove such a theory?"

"when BP ripped the heart of mephisto, BP had waited till he was sufficently weaken from being in are plane for an extended period of time.

magneto wins

" @castleking said:

"when BP ripped the heart of mephisto, BP had waited till he was sufficently weaken from being in are plane for an extended period of time.

Black Panther didn't wait for anything. He was busy tracking down a missing child.   Anyway. I still think Magneto wins. "

" won't BP's anti-metal claws melt any metal they come in contact with? that should give Black panther the win. "

" @mattbryce2000 said:

" won't BP's anti-metal claws melt any metal they come in contact with? that should give Black panther the win. "

Magneto can collapse BP's vibranium armor in on him, or he can cause a clot in his brain to give him a stroke, or one in his heart to give him a heart attack, or he can simply stop the blood from flowing to his brain, or altogether. "

Magneto wins like this.
 

Magneto wins like this.
 

" @Lance Uppercut: Exactly xD "