Black Panther vs Jason Todd

No gear, armor, weaponry allowed for either. This is strictly and hand-to-hand fight and both are morals off. Fight takes place in an abandoned warehouse and they start 15 feet away from each other. Fight is to KO or incapacitation. Who wins and why?

I'm going with Panther. Not only does he have a slight healing factor, he also has superhuman strength and durability; they're too close in melee skill to let that be the only determining factor. I don't know if Jason can dodge point-blank gun fire, but T'Challa can.

Isn't he currently a meta? Battle forums makes it seem that way...

@allstarsuperman: Due to the fruit he is meta, yeah. Add that with his knowledge of every martial arts and how to counter them with his pantherstyle...

@thedanquah: BP doesn't use the heart shape herb anymore. But since he become kotd his stats are supposedly superhuman now.

Panther wins this. Jason doesn't outclass panther in h2h by much if any (Panther may very well be better). Panther's stats are also way too much for Jason

Panther outclasses Jason in every category. He should win every time.

Black Panther stomps

Panther

jason one shots?

Jason puts up a fight but he loses in the end

Panther beats Jason to death and leaves his body for the buzzards.

Panther wins but I don't think it would be a stomp

It would be. KOTD Panther has punched men in half.

Panther cleans.

@nelomaxwell: I didn't know this was KOTD version

There is little difference between the physical stats of king of the dead and heart shaped herb.

Punching people in half is nothing above peak human

In fact nothing Panther has done since his supposed upgrade is anything above peak human either or has happened off panel

That being said, he most definitely stomps

Lol

Panther wins 10/10. Jason is tiers below him in H2H.

Unless he does that magic sh!t, Panther stomps.

Black Panther.

What peak human do you know can punch a man in half?

Panther

Jason one shots.

LMFAO i'm wondering the same thing.

This is gonna sound like ABC logic, was quick enough to get a hold of spidey. Granted it was before WOTS but still. That's is a very impressive h2h feat.

What are you basing this on?

Hickman said that black panther as king of the dead is maybe slightly stronger than before.

@nelomaxwell: @nathaniel_christopher: Elektra and Lady shiva, just off the top of my head. the female post crisis Judomaster heck if you want to go down to even lower level characters.

People like Batman and Cap dont often do this sort of thing because of morals, but when Batman does things like otherwise kick down trees and KO people wearing armour which is bouncing off bullets because he no longer needs to " hold back", when Cap otherwise kicks down steel doors and cuts down tanks with how hard he is throwing his shield, sure why not , they can pull it off

Panther totally outclasses him, wins mid difficulty.

Jason might be a bit stronger, but otherwise this.

Black panther, easily.

@highaccuser:

It's not a stomp at all actually, Jason can one shot if he wants to and he beat Batman. Panther is used to having armor 24/7 so when the armor is off he will be off balanced and confused so Jason will knock him out because he is confused. I really don't see how he stomps when Jason beat Batman who is superior in every single way to panther.

@sensualobster: jason beat batman off panel, and then was beaten by grayson off panel

So...grayson is the best MA artist in new 52 then according to you?

@sensualobster: Jason only beat Batman off panel and got stomped by him on panel. He's not on Batman's level. T'Challa has fought just fine without the suit. All of his classic fights against people like Daredevil, Wolverine and Spider-Man where he did well were without the suit. He fought Kraven and Kingpin effectively without the suit and stomped Lady Bullseye. Also he hasn't had the suit for a long time anyway so the point is moot to begin with. And Batman isn't stronger than Panther.

Then lost to Nightwing multiple times, so Nightwing>Batman and Black Panther?

Black Panther wins in a good fight: Jason will put up a good fight, but Panther is probably both more skilled (a small margin), and physically superior.

leaning towards t'challa in a good fight

I just thought he was being vague.

@_slim_: Ah yeah, you are very right.

And just on top of my head, he also lost to Damian on Batman and Robin #11 - Terminus Branded and to Barbara Gordon on Batman Eternal #19 - Breaking Bat (although he was holding-back, to try to break Babs free of the mind-control, he still couldn't neither land a hit, dodge, or counter any move...and he only survived, because Babs got back to her former-self, just when she was about to deliver the final blow, and with Jason's helmet already broken and his face exposed).

He was only over-the-top-impressive, on Red Hood And The Outlaws.

Sounds like panther is meta human or something,give jason venom to make it fair.

Jason Todd is dangerous and tenacious, but I still have to give this to Panther.

Panther whups the Bat brat