#1 Posted by jashro44 (23703 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther

VS

Cassandra Cain

Rules

  • Morals are on
  • Both are unarmed (no armor, weapons, or gear whatsoever)
  • Win by KO/Death/Incapacitation
  • This is black panther with the heart shaped herb (not King of the dead)
  • Random encounter
  • Fight takes place here:

Who wins and why?

#2 Edited by Cable_Extreme (9690 posts) - - Show Bio

Good match!

Cassidra being able to read body movements like a language, and her speed is simply phenomenal.

Black Panther with heart shaped herb is one of the best martial artist as well

This is an extremely tough battle. I will say Cassandra Cain takes the majority in H2H due to her abilities.

(Kudos to @jashro44, one of the best battles I have seen this month)

#3 Posted by CaptainUzi (1928 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Posted by Thanofleeze (3320 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassie takes it. BP is a beast but has not dedicated his life to H2H combat as much as CC.

#5 Edited by Wolverine08 (45065 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther wins here. Though Cassandra has a skill advantage, it is a very small one at that because Panther is still one of the best fighters in the Marvel Universe himself, and has the feats to back it up. The combination of his immense skill and superior physicals will allow him to take a 6-7/10 majority here in a tough fight. Great skill + better physicals will always beat out just superior skill + inferior physicals in my opinion.

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#6 Posted by Saren (26016 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassie for the majority if T'Challa doesn't have any of his gear. It's a major gamechanger in a lot of his fights, particularly the armor, and without it he's sort of nerfed.

As for his physical advantage, he's not really going to pull out any superior physicals that are going to sway the course of the battle to any significant degree. Yes, T'Challa can wrestle with a rhino; Cassie can punch through three-inch quartz. T'Challa can beat up Man-Ape; Cassie can one-shot monsters that go toe-to-toe with Superboy. That last example is your standard street-level nonsense, but the point is that superior physicals never make as much of a difference in street level fights as skill does, unless we're talking about folks who are way, way superhuman in some manner or the other like Iron Fist with his striking power. T'Challa's physicality is hardly at the level where Cassie might as well pack up and leave.

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#7 Posted by RBT (4488 posts) - - Show Bio

@Wolverine08: Cassie has borderline superhuman strength feats.

#8 Posted by Wolverine08 (45065 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt:

But Panther's are still better.

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#9 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: once again i agree with you.

My gut tells me to go with panther but I'm assuming by h2h its not giving any equip so i say Cain for majority.

#10 Edited by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: i want to agree with you cause bp is much better with his claws and gadgets but he doesn't have any of that.

#11 Edited by Joygirl (20146 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassie Cain.

#12 Edited by Cable_Extreme (9690 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: no doubt black panthers strength feats are better, however Cassandra Cain is more than capable of winning in h2h. Her speed feats are so good that she dismantles a guy from point blank range before the bullet reaches her location. Most of Black Panthers feats are shown when he is armored and equipped with gear. No doubt he rivals here in skill and speed, it is just that her ability to read him, mixed with her skill, speed ect.. earn her the win IMO

#13 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra for a big majority, I'd say 7-8/10 at least.

#14 Posted by Wolverine08 (45065 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

Black Panther's speed is also superior to that of Cassandra Cain's based off of feats in my opinion. I agree that her pretty good physicals combined with her superior skill will give her a great chance, but I just think Panther's overall better physicals combined with his own immense skill will let him take a very slim majority. This is a pretty hard fight though, arguments can be made for both sides.

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#15 Posted by Cable_Extreme (9690 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: she has some really good showing, as does Panther.

#16 Posted by RBT (4488 posts) - - Show Bio

@Wolverine08: Not denying that. But your post sounded like Panther is marginally stronger than her. He is stronger than her, but not by that much. Plus her speed and reaction feats are crazy.

#17 Posted by nickzambuto (14384 posts) - - Show Bio

CitizenBane has a point. Despite the fact that it should be very important, strength rarely plays a role in street level fights unless one combatant's fighting style specifically revolves around it. How often does Black Panther wrestle? If he can get his hands on her and use his weight to it's full potential (think of how Bane beat Nightwing) then that's his best shot.

#18 Posted by dondave (38784 posts) - - Show Bio

Cass

#19 Posted by jashro44 (23703 posts) - - Show Bio

Good match!

Cassidra being able to read body movements like a language, and her speed is simply phenomenal.

Black Panther with heart shaped herb is one of the best martial artist as well

This is an extremely tough battle. I will say Cassandra Cain takes the majority in H2H due to her abilities.

(Kudos to @jashro44, one of the best battles I have seen this month)

Thank you.

#20 Edited by Immortal777 (7732 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra.

#21 Posted by God_Spawn (38234 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassie for the majority if T'Challa doesn't have any of his gear. It's a major gamechanger in a lot of his fights, particularly the armor, and without it he's sort of nerfed.

As for his physical advantage, he's not really going to pull out any superior physicals that are going to sway the course of the battle to any significant degree. Yes, T'Challa can wrestle with a rhino; Cassie can punch through three-inch quartz. T'Challa can beat up Man-Ape; Cassie can one-shot monsters that go toe-to-toe with Superboy. That last example is your standard street-level nonsense, but the point is that superior physicals never make as much of a difference in street level fights as skill does, unless we're talking about folks who are way, way superhuman in some manner or the other like Iron Fist with his striking power. T'Challa's physicality is hardly at the level where Cassie might as well pack up and leave.

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#22 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

Black Panther's speed is also superior to that of Cassandra Cain's based off of feats in my opinion. I agree that her pretty good physicals combined with her superior skill will give her a great chance, but I just think Panther's overall better physicals combined with his own immense skill will let him take a very slim majority. This is a pretty hard fight though, arguments can be made for both sides.

I'm very curious as to the feats that have convinced you to put Panther's speed above that of Cassie. Do you have references, by any chance?

#23 Edited by Wolverine08 (45065 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: He's surprised Spider-Man on two separate occasions with his speed, can throw three punches in the time needed to throw one, can run up a building hold a grown man by his hair in less than ten seconds, caught up to the superhumanly fast Sabretooth despite Creed having a huge head start, and was dodging most of the attacks the superhumanly fast vampire Vlad the Impaler threw at him while T'Challa was unenhanced. That is why I think T'Challa has a slight edge on Cassandra with speed.

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#24 Posted by Fallschirmjager (18754 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm siding with T'Challa here. But its not easy. 6/10 at best.

Good matchup. I don't think either of them could win consistently. If it was out of 100 matches we're talking 49 to 51 type stuff.

#25 Posted by kidman560 (7578 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: @wolverine08: i got this

spoilers

dodges namor

knocks out Karnak the walking plot device

dodges Iron Fist. trust me T'challa without his gear is not that much of a handicap

#26 Posted by cooljammy18 (990 posts) - - Show Bio

Man, I really like both of these characters, but I see Cass taking the majority here.

#27 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5216 posts) - - Show Bio

T'Challa for a majority.

#28 Posted by nickzambuto (14384 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: So much for that break you were supposed to take. I knew you wouldn't resist... this place is freakin addicting :P

#29 Posted by jashro44 (23703 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: So much for that break you were supposed to take. I knew you wouldn't resist... this place is freakin addicting :P

Well you see, when I logged in to clear my inbox I found a PM telling me to get back to a challenge a viner I made like a month ago....I am just waiting for that to finish...We will see what happens...All though yes this place is addicting >.>

#30 Posted by Spideysense44 (3533 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

Black Panther's speed is also superior to that of Cassandra Cain's based off of feats in my opinion. I agree that her pretty good physicals combined with her superior skill will give her a great chance, but I just think Panther's overall better physicals combined with his own immense skill will let him take a very slim majority. This is a pretty hard fight though, arguments can be made for both sides.

AGREED, I go with the Black Panther on this one good match though OP

#31 Edited by MonsterStomp (19878 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra Cain is no joke man. I can hold my right hand up and say she's better than Batman (which sucks). She's probably the third best fighter in DC. Even though she's at a physical disadvantage, she can read body language and is arguably faster.

She beat Lady Shiva in a brutal show down.

I'll give it to Cassandra Cain 6/10 in a brutal fight.

#32 Posted by MonsterStomp (19878 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: @wolverine08: i got this

spoilers

dodges namor

knocks out Karnak the walking plot device

dodges Iron Fist. trust me T'challa without his gear is not that much of a handicap

While that is impressive.

Blitzing 3 men before the bottle drops.

Need high speed film to keep up with Cassy.

Takes out gunman and moves the victim out of the bullets flight path. I circled the bullet red just to show how fast she really is (which is beyond stupid if you ask me).

Cassandra Cain is faster IMO.

#33 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra Cain is no joke man. I can hold my right hand up and say she's better than Batman (which sucks). She's probably the third best fighter in DC. Even though she's at a physical disadvantage, she can read body language and is arguably faster.

Who are you putting at one and two?

#34 Edited by Blackdog2009 (1873 posts) - - Show Bio

Cass breaks Tch's arms and legs, stomping.

#35 Posted by Pokeysteve (8532 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll come back to this tomorrow maybe.

@esquire said:

@monsterstomp said:

Cassandra Cain is no joke man. I can hold my right hand up and say she's better than Batman (which sucks). She's probably the third best fighter in DC. Even though she's at a physical disadvantage, she can read body language and is arguably faster.

Who are you putting at one and two?

He's going to say Karate Kid and then me and him are going to fight lol.

#36 Posted by JediXMan (31231 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassie.

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#37 Posted by MonsterStomp (19878 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire said:

@monsterstomp said:

Cassandra Cain is no joke man. I can hold my right hand up and say she's better than Batman (which sucks). She's probably the third best fighter in DC. Even though she's at a physical disadvantage, she can read body language and is arguably faster.

Who are you putting at one and two?

Karate Kid "The notorious plot device despite the fact that he is consistent with his feats" and Shiva.

#38 Posted by laflux (17525 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

Cassie for the majority if T'Challa doesn't have any of his gear. It's a major gamechanger in a lot of his fights, particularly the armor, and without it he's sort of nerfed.

As for his physical advantage, he's not really going to pull out any superior physicals that are going to sway the course of the battle to any significant degree. Yes, T'Challa can wrestle with a rhino; Cassie can punch through three-inch quartz. T'Challa can beat up Man-Ape; Cassie can one-shot monsters that go toe-to-toe with Superboy. That last example is your standard street-level nonsense, but the point is that superior physicals never make as much of a difference in street level fights as skill does, unless we're talking about folks who are way, way superhuman in some manner or the other like Iron Fist with his striking power. T'Challa's physicality is hardly at the level where Cassie might as well pack up and leave.

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#39 Edited by XiiX (9127 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms. Cain.

#40 Posted by DarkRaiden (7989 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll say Panther. He's fast enough to blitz Spider-man (who's faster than Cassie), and he's outsped Wolverine. Not to mention he fought 13 hours straight against Killmonger, who kills Elephants with one hit. His strength, durability, and speed should be superior, and he supposedly knows every martial art and hung with Iron Fist pretty well.

With his suit, Panther 10/10

Without it, Panther 7/10

#41 Posted by JwwProd (10296 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Cass.

#42 Edited by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire said:

@monsterstomp said:

Cassandra Cain is no joke man. I can hold my right hand up and say she's better than Batman (which sucks). She's probably the third best fighter in DC. Even though she's at a physical disadvantage, she can read body language and is arguably faster.

Who are you putting at one and two?

Karate Kid "The notorious plot device despite the fact that he is consistent with his feats" and Shiva.

I disagree. I'd rate it like this as the top 5 (with KK out of the equation since he's arguably metahuman): Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Constantine Drakon, Cassandra Cain, Connor Hawke.

#43 Edited by bunt947 (375 posts) - - Show Bio

That' s a tough one. I think BP for a slight majority.

#44 Posted by IRS (458 posts) - - Show Bio

In just a hand to hand fight, no weapons, no armor, I'll give it to Cassie.

#45 Posted by IRS (458 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp said:

@esquire said:

@monsterstomp said:

Cassandra Cain is no joke man. I can hold my right hand up and say she's better than Batman (which sucks). She's probably the third best fighter in DC. Even though she's at a physical disadvantage, she can read body language and is arguably faster.

Who are you putting at one and two?

Karate Kid "The notorious plot device despite the fact that he is consistent with his feats" and Shiva.

I disagree. I'd rate it like this as the top 5 (with KK out of the equation since he's arguably metahuman): Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Constantine Drakon, Cassandra Cain, Connor Hawke.

I know he's dead but I feel like O-Sensei deserves a mention.

#46 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (5610 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Cassie but BP takes this. Superior physicals, and comparable skills. Cassie has the body reading but with superior physicals and comparable skill BP can get this.