Yes it has. That's why it's in the "Re-Cap" thread. That's why the Re-Cap thread is called "Re-Cap" so people wouldn't make battles that were done before and exactly why I told you next time you make a battle to go check that thread.
I have to agree, I know both are exceptional fighters, but when it comes down to it, the super solider serum gives Cap the upper hand, and in combat fighting, I think Cap is more experienced and just overall better at it, and as much as I like Black Panther, I'd give this one to Cap.
Really? I wasn't as sure as others on this one, but from what I've read, and alot recently with Black Panther comics and Cap comics just prior to #25, Id say Cap would be the better man. What makes Panther stand out, Im curious?
His heightened senses. There to the point were he came sometimes predict his opponents next move. He's a scholar, I'd say he actually has more experience then Cap, do to the fact that once a year he is challenged for his thrown. He began his training and ascension to the thrown as a child, constantly tested. His vibranium suit makes means he can take more punishment then Cap not to mention his near superhuman ability's derived from that herb he took.
Yes it has. That's why it's in the "Re-Cap" thread. That's why the Re-Cap thread is called "Re-Cap" so people wouldn't make battles that were done before and exactly why I told you next time you make a battle to go check that thread."
So BP loses because Cap has a shield and trained most of the Avengers? You know he didn't train BP, wounder why that is, oh yeah, its cause he had nothing to offer him.
You know the panel before the one I showed, has Cap throwing this magnificent shield at BP and as you can see, he dodges it. Like others have said, this battle was gone from every angle an then some. I'll find you the link. But simply saying Cap wins ain't gonna cut it. Post Edited:2007-10-18 13:26:12
I'm not comparing anyone to a boxer. I'm saying that just because Cap beat a bunch of villains doesn't mean that he will beat T'Challa. I compared that situation to boxer beating a bunch of other boxers, but it doesn't mean he'll beat the next one, who may be more skilled... That was a example.
What I'm tryna say is the Cap's experience in battle with other supervillains doesn't mean much. Note that every bonafide Cap fan says that like it means something, when it really doesn't. In terms of skill and everything else, T'Challa is the better man in the fight.
Captain America wins against the Black Panther. He's the better fighter and tactician. He's stronger, faster, has more stamina, better reflexes and just as much flexiblity and agility. Black Panther is academicly and intellectually superior to Cap, but that doesn't matter; this isn't a science project or a thesis statement. Battle is a fast-moving, fluid situation and though these two are close in abilility; Cap is the superior fighter. Thus, Captain America defeats the once proud Black Panther.
I will give this to Black Panther. They are pretty even in skills but current Black Panther has the superiority in strength, speed and agility. His physical stats combined with his skills should allow him to defeat cap after a good fight IMO! If we are using classic BP, then i see this fight going either way! =]
T'Challa is an established military strategist and leads the Wakandan military on all fronts. Captain America is not even close to that. As far as Cap being a better fighter, I've seen nothing to suggest this. They are equal, at the very least.
@PowerHerc said:
"He's stronger, faster, has more stamina, better reflexes and just as much flexiblity and agility.
T'Challa has comparable strength feats to Cap. Stamina is debatable (since Cap was never shown to tire, only because he's never fought in fights that lasted for extended periods). If it was a foot race, Cap would probably be faster. But, battle speed between the both of them should be equal. Black Panther dodges bullets, too. I agree on the rest.
@PowerHerc said:
"Black Panther is academicly and intellectually superior to Cap, but that doesn't matter; this isn't a science project or a thesis statement.
This is a meaningless technicality, and you're saying this as if Black Panther doesn't excel in fighting like he does in intellect. He was trained as deadly warrior since the age of six by his father (T'Chaka, the last Black Panther that stalemated Cap), and as he got older, he traveled the world to excel in academics and master several other forms of fighting. Try to stay on topic. It's battle. Treat it as such.
@PowerHerc said:
"Battle is a fast-moving, fluid situation and though these two are close in abilility; Cap is the superior fighter.
Based on what? Try not to take this out of context and talk about drive and motivational stuff. All that means nothing.
@PowerHerc said:
" Thus, Captain America defeats the once proud Black Panther. "
Yes. Captain America could win, and Black Panther has just as much chance of doing so. But, perhaps you should do a better job of supporting him. You don't seem to be doing as such.
@Static Shock: Btw, i would like to ask something! I believe you that BP's skills can be equal to cap's but i have seen more impressive skills feats from cap( overcoming the superior strength of his opponent when he graped him, using nerve strikes, outskilling opponents like crossbones without the Super Soldier Serum etc...). I'm not an expert on BP so what feats do you suggest that put him equally to cap? =]
@spidey 15: I'll address parts of your posts that would make him similar.
@spidey 15 said:
using nerve strikes,
T'Challa, in his limited series in the 80's (issue # 2), fought one of the warriors he defeated during his Rite of Ascension, and attacked a pressure point in his ear, causing the guy great pain. In Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes II, #7, T'Challa used a nerve strike against Death Tiger to attack his shoulder, making him drop his weapon. My guess is that Tiger's arm went numb, temporarily. In Black Panther, v2 #12, T'Challa used several nerve pinches to put Hunter to sleep.
@spidey 15 said:
"outskilling opponents like crossbones without the Super Soldier Serum etc...
Again, in issue #2 of his limited series, T'Challa was able to fight that same warrior without his enhanced physical abilities (in that story, the Panther God stripped him of his powers). During the Rite of Ascension, T'Challa defeated several of Wakanda's most deadly fighters without his physical enhancements. In Black Panther, v3 #2, T'Challa defeated S'yan (the last Black Panther before him) in the Rite of Ascension. S'yan was already enhanced by the herb, but T'Challa wasn't. Food for thought: S'yan is supposed to be on par with T'Chaka in skill (and he stalemated Cap) in volume 2.
@spidey 15 said:
"overcoming the superior strength of his opponent when he graped him
In Black Panther, v3 # 40, The skrull that he fought had the strength and invulnerability of Luke Cage, Wolverine's claws, Iron Fist's chi, Bullseye's accuracy and the fighting skills of T'Challa, Moon Knight, Captain America, Elektra, Daredevil, and Shang Chi. T'Challa admitted that he couldn't out-fight him (but was able to hold his own, anyway, for a while), but needed to find a weakness. When T'Challa figured out that he had tells (a subtle shift in weight, and a slight change in posture just to change abilities, since it couldn't use more than one at the same time), he broke his arm at the elbow, since the invulnerability wasn't in use for the skrull. After ripping out the skrull's eyeball, and breaking his leg at the knee, T'Challa won by default.
In issue #2 of his limited series, T'Challa defeated the Supremacists while he was depowered. There wasn't much grappling there, but they were all superpowered. I'll post the scans for you.
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There's some more examples of him being able to fight people who's strength exceeds his own.
@erik: LOL. Neither am I. It's obvious that T'Challa's ability to put cracks in the ground after stomping it means that he's wearing his vibranium soles (even if you can't see them).
bottom line is its 50/50 anyone who says otherwise is lying........with that said you can pick either guy and be basically right. I will pick Cap and thats thats.
on a side note if its bucky vs BP i say BP takes 2 in the chest and 4 in the head.
" @erik: LOL. Neither am I. It's obvious that T'Challa's ability to put cracks in the ground after stomping it means that he's wearing his vibranium soles (even if you can't see them). "
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