@jashro44:
I suppose thats true but Kaine is a greater threat than deathstrike is IMO.
Stat-wise, Kaine is superior. Faster and far stronger to be sure. Durability & skill on the other hand ... balances things out to an extent. Deathstrike can soak more, and is far more martially inclined. But yeah, Kaine should take Lady Deathstrike. Though that said, I think it's a far more difficult tussle, at least on paper, than many fans might want to believe.
He did open up with it in amazing spider-man #10.
Yeah. Just read it. (SpOck's a real pr!ck!). I think in a brawl, it really levels the playing field. Not sure anymore who'd take the clear majority should Kaine go all "Other" at the outset. SpOck is deadly as well with his tentacles / legs. The duo's offensive abilities are defniitely more dangerous than Parker's own. Not symbiot level dangerous, but more impressive than ever IMHO.
Kaine is still far, far too vulnerable without a spider-sense to stave off Wolverine's attacks though. While morals are on, it's still victory through death stipulations so Wolverine ostensibly will be making killer blows.
Well lets keep in mind they were both putting on a show. Kaine wasn't expecting wolverine to really hurt him. I think its best we just ignore their "fight".
Sure. Fair enough. But that scene does establish Wolverine is ample fast enough to tag Kaine. Which is a telling point in an all out brawl. I would amend your initial statement to "Kaine was not aware how easily Wolverine could tag him should he not have been likewise pulling his punches".
That's twice Wolverine has tagged a Spider type while pulling his shots (or "almost" tagged Kaine while supposedly only trying to put on a show). There's a set precedence.
I don't believe its that simple. Wolverine is still morals on. I know wolverine said he would kill kaine, but he said the same thing about punisher, yet when he actually did get even with punisher, all he did was kick Franks ass. I'm not sure if wolverine would kill kaine.
Morals on? Yes and no. As it's victory by death. Logan knows to win, he has to kill his antagonists regardless. So ... I don't think he'll feel overly inclined to pull his punches.
I was just saying I think SpOck is only a little bit behind Peter. SpOck has lots of impressive combat feats.
I don't think it's hand to hand skill, so much as a more ruthless approach to using Spider-Man's power set that abridges the distance between Parker and SpOck.
Well multitasking is SpOcks major issue here IMO. And he has shown some decent showings with it. He did dodge all the avengers at the same time, until he got distracted by Peters ghost:
Sure. But we both know it was only a matter of moments before he got brought down - distraction or no. The Avengers were also only interested in apprehending with minimal damage. They were wearing kids gloves. It is nothing too out of the ordinary insofar as showings go. It demonstrates what we all already know, namely, Spider-Man's greatest and most potent aspect (whether Parker or SpOck), is and always has been his avoidance. That's his principle schtick.
Granted he got beat down when he was tagged by there was a lot more to worry about here than there would be against just cap and black panther.
Except again, Avengers were all collectively pulling their punches. Neither Steve nor T'Challa will be here. To be clear, SpOck's avoidance is the only reason these types of fights don't end in a stomp so yeah, he belongs in a fight against these two A-Listers because of said avoidance to be sure.
Not to mention he was in a pretty enclosed space where SpOck couldn't use his agility.
SpOck was using his agility to the max. Not sure what you're talking about there. Not so much an enclosed space, as it was the Avengers were swarming him. SpOck used said agility to bob and weave to stay in the game a couple of paces. He lasted a couple of volleys, which given his power set, he should have anyways.
And since then SpOck has gotten some new tech.
OK. What tech in particular would justify a majority against both Rogers and BP?
Also this is pre doom war black panther with the vibranium suit, anti-metal claws and energy daggers.
Fair enough. The claws and energy daggers both have one shot potential on SpOck all the same. Contrarily, the suit makes SpOck one shotting BP highly unlikely. Cutting against the grain or no (his claws are not overly long, and the damage should not prove one shot worthy were to land a significant shot against the grain - not like SpOck's swinging 12 inch long adamantium claws here).
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