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#1 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio
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Who wins, and why?

#2 Posted by Saren (25674 posts) - - Show Bio

This is madness!

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#3 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

XD

#4 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9728 posts) - - Show Bio

You need to take away her bad luck powers first because with them she should stomp this

#5 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000:

Maybe. BW's skill and reliable choice of weaponry and gadgets might swing this.

#6 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9728 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik:  
Well that power could just cause all of her weapons to backfire or malfunction 
#7 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000 said:

@Erik: Well that power could just cause all of her weapons to backfire or malfunction

A glock? Misfiring or malfunctioning? Madness.

#8 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9728 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik:  
She'll slip off the starbucks building and break her back
#9 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@buttersdaman000 said:

@Erik: Well that power could just cause all of her weapons to backfire or malfunction

A glock? Misfiring or malfunctioning? Madness.

Web-shooters don't malfunction very often either but she caused them to break down while Spidey was in mid swing and calculated his trajectory so that he would fall directly into the swimming pool she was waiting at. Her powers are PIS incarnate. Nat's glock would jam while she's about to deliver the killing shot or something. It's why I absolutely hate debating Felicia, her powers make for a fan-fic, not a debate.
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#10 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000 said:

@Erik: She'll slip off the starbucks building and break her back

She will be fighting right next to BC so if she goes, so does BC and BW has the agility, durability and skill to easily survive a 15 foot fall.

#11 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@Erik said:

@buttersdaman000 said:

@Erik: Well that power could just cause all of her weapons to backfire or malfunction

A glock? Misfiring or malfunctioning? Madness.

Web-shooters don't malfunction very often either but she caused them to break down while Spidey was in mid swing and calculated his trajectory so that he would fall directly into the swimming pool she was waiting at. Her powers are PIS incarnate. Nat's glock would jam while she's about to deliver the killing shot or something. It's why I absolutely hate debating Felicia, her powers make for a fan-fic, not a debate.

Hmmm... Parker's shooters may not be prone to malfunctioning but they are complex machinery. A glock is designed around the concept of simplicity and reliability more than any other gun. And it is designed with near diamond hard material so a break is.... impossible under normal conditions even with luck.

#12 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@Erik said:

@buttersdaman000 said:

@Erik: Well that power could just cause all of her weapons to backfire or malfunction

A glock? Misfiring or malfunctioning? Madness.

Web-shooters don't malfunction very often either but she caused them to break down while Spidey was in mid swing and calculated his trajectory so that he would fall directly into the swimming pool she was waiting at. Her powers are PIS incarnate. Nat's glock would jam while she's about to deliver the killing shot or something. It's why I absolutely hate debating Felicia, her powers make for a fan-fic, not a debate.

Hmmm... Parker's shooters may not be prone to malfunctioning but they are complex machinery. A glock is designed around the concept of simplicity and reliability more than any other gun. And it is designed with near diamond hard material so a break is.... impossible under normal conditions even with luck.

Making the nigh impossible possible is her powerset. She can get a room with Domino for all I care.
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#13 Posted by k4tzm4n (44234 posts) - - Show Bio

Domino vs Longshot vs vs Black Cat vs Bullseye with cardboard = universe implodes.

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#14 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

Making the nigh impossible possible is her powerset. She can get a room with Domino for all I care.

Okay but I have only seen her screw with people that are not skilled enough to handle it. So let us assume for a moment that the glock will malfunction under BC's power. BW will just pistol whip BC's head in with a near diamond hard club.

#15 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:

Domino vs Longshot vs vs Black Cat vs Bullseye with cardboard = universe implodes.

Lester wins via toothpick/grain of sand/paper plane toss, respectively.
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#16 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

On the subject, Black Widow wins.

#17 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Making the nigh impossible possible is her powerset. She can get a room with Domino for all I care.

Okay but I have only seen her screw with people that are not skilled enough to handle it. So let us assume for a moment that the glock will malfunction under BC's power. BW will just pistol whip BC's head in with a near diamond hard club.

It's definitely not impossible for Natasha to win, she is leagues beyond Felicia in sheer h2h and has every advantage she'd need to win, I just can't help but feel she'd trip in the most crucial moment and Felicia would smash her face against the curb while she wonders what just happened. Or it's how it would play out in a comic book.
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#18 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

It's definitely not impossible for Natasha to win, she is leagues beyond Felicia in sheer h2h and has every advantage she'd need to win, I just can't help but feel she'd trip in the most crucial moment and Felicia would smash her face against the curb while she wonders what just happened. Or it's how it would play out in a comic book.

Lol well it is possible. If I remember right, her appearance in X-Factor suggests it does not always work out entirely in her favor though.

#19 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@Morpheus_ said:

It's definitely not impossible for Natasha to win, she is leagues beyond Felicia in sheer h2h and has every advantage she'd need to win, I just can't help but feel she'd trip in the most crucial moment and Felicia would smash her face against the curb while she wonders what just happened. Or it's how it would play out in a comic book.

Lol well it is possible. If I remember right, her appearance in X-Factor suggests it does not always work out entirely in her favor though.

PAD is old school. One time he writes her that way, the other he has her beating Sabretooth more easily than Spider-Man himself did. But her powers are usually much more potent than displayed there, at least in the one issue I read. I've fallen behind as of late.
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#20 Posted by babylinkz (546 posts) - - Show Bio

bw for the win, nice ass trumps big tits

#21 Posted by Nefarious (20349 posts) - - Show Bio

.....I can't decide.

#22 Posted by ThexX (1569 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow wins

#23 Posted by Owie (3741 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Black Widow wins. Black Cat's bad luck isn't unbeatable, and I honestly don't think she has the offensive skills to beat Widow, even if Widow's attacks are all neutralized. I could see Black Cat taking maybe 3 wins out of 10.

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#24 Posted by termiteone4ever (7358 posts) - - Show Bio

The widow for sure

#25 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_:

I would think that Domino's luck powers are more potent than Black Cat's and Elektra was able to dominate Domino. I think the luck, good or bad, is overrated. Plus I thought it was some kind of exposure thing with BC. The reason why she stopped hanging around Parker is because the bad luck was building and would have eventually killed him right? If that is true, then BW should be okay since this is a new encounter or at least a newish encounter.

#26 Posted by Vance Astro (91233 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@Morpheus_:

I would think that Domino's luck powers are more potent than Black Cat's and Elektra was able to dominate Domino. I think the luck, good or bad, is overrated. Plus I thought it was some kind of exposure thing with BC. The reason why she stopped hanging around Parker is because the bad luck was building and would have eventually killed him right? If that is true, then BW should be okay since this is a new encounter or at least a newish encounter.

I don't think luck is overrated. I don't know too much about Black Cat but some of the things Domino has done is absolute nonsense.
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#27 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@Morpheus_:

I would think that Domino's luck powers are more potent than Black Cat's and Elektra was able to dominate Domino. I think the luck, good or bad, is overrated. Plus I thought it was some kind of exposure thing with BC.


None of Loeb's writing on Hulk holds much weight with me, honestly (and it's a separate character altogether, and one that I don't know nearly as well at that to compare). It's been a while though, but I recall Elektra kicking Domino and they ended up with Elektra's sai in Domino's face while Domino was pointing her gun at Elektra's face in return. Seemed like stalemate rather than domination.
 

The reason why she stopped hanging around Parker is because the bad luck was building and would have eventually killed him right? 


 
She can consciously control her powers now. 
 

If that is true, then BW should be okay since this is a new encounter or at least a newish encounter.


 
Felicia hadn't appeared in ASM for 200 issues before they web-shooter incident.
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#28 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_:

None of Loeb's writing on Hulk holds much weight with me, honestly (and it's a separate character altogether, and one that I don't know nearly as well at that to compare). It's been a while though, but I recall Elektra kicking Domino and they ended up with Elektra's sai in Domino's face while Domino was pointing her gun at Elektra's face in return. Seemed like stalemate rather than domination.

My bad. I skimmed the issue only because it was X-Force and if you remember any of my rants on the related issues at the time, you could understand why I was only skimming.

She can consciously control her powers now.

Oh I know that. I was just using it as a model. I am not sure if she can increase the intensity of her bad luck, only if it is on or not, no?

Felicia hadn't appeared in ASM for 200 issues before they web-shooter incident.

But how long was that in comic time? Months maybe?

@Vance Astro said:

I don't think luck is overrated. I don't know too much about Black Cat but some of the things Domino has done is absolute nonsense.

So have I. Yet there are times where things do not immediately work out for Domino. Obviously she has some nice long term luck feats but she has been riddled with bullets and forced to give up plenty of times, even recently.

#29 Edited by God_Spawn (37887 posts) - - Show Bio

Natasha shoots a bullet, it flies ricochets off a few objects, flies down the gutter shaft Tom and Jerry style, flies across the street dodging cars and all that jazz into another gutter and goes up in the air Tom and Jerry style again and keeps going into the sky and hits a conveniently passing by airplane. The engines fail and the plane dive bombs towards the starbucks roof smashing Black Widow. Felicia 7/10.

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#30 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik: Just read through it, my bad too because Dom ends up with a shard of glass rather than her guns, but Elektra starts the fight by kicking her from behind.
 
I think she can consciously control it to varying degrees of success. It's not always on, so to speak.
 
I'd say it's years, but they did meet in some other series, such as The Evil that Men Do by Kevin Smith, and Sensational Spider-Man. They were not seeing each other on a regular basis, though, which was my initial point.
 
And now you know why I hate debating Felicia, lol.
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#31 Posted by Lord Shiva (794 posts) - - Show Bio

With powers BC, Without BW

#32 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_:

I will flip through Claws 2 and see if I can find some low BC feats! Muah ha ha ha!

#33 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@Morpheus_:

I will flip through Claws 2 and see if I can find some low BC feats! Muah ha ha ha!

Wasn't the series planned as a follow-up for the first Claws and they shelved it before recently deciding to publish it? It's not up to current with her powers. Victory!
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#34 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@Erik said:

@Morpheus_:

I will flip through Claws 2 and see if I can find some low BC feats! Muah ha ha ha!

Wasn't the series planned as a follow-up for the first Claws and they shelved it before recently deciding to publish it? It's not up to current with her powers. Victory!

Oh Christ. So much for that plan. :p

#35 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

If Black Cat's powers are like fan fiction then clearly whoever has the better fan fic written for them wins.

#36 Posted by RainEffect (3240 posts) - - Show Bio

>.>
 
<.<
 
I swear I just had a rant on a page titled as this.

#37 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

If Black Cat's powers are like fan fiction then clearly whoever has the better fan fic written for them wins.

BC tries to use her power but she accidentally focuses it on herself, causing an immediate loss through peak human fist through skull.

#38 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio

-___- this is insane the minute Black Widow starts walking or running she'll trip on a banana peel and fall on her head and back thus Black Cat would just polish her nails or something and move on with the battle. Probability controlling characters are not meant for battle forums period. Especially with characters like the Scarlet Witch. God knows how the match will end.

#39 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@RainEffect said:

>.> <.< I swear I just had a rant on a page titled as this.

Yep! lol

#40 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_:

Widow wins. Black Cat needs a writer for her powers to be worth a damn and we do not use PIS in battle threads. BOYAH!

#41 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

Any other thoughts?

#42 Posted by RainEffect (3240 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

Any other thoughts?

To summarise my rant on the other thread of this same title ...
 
Black Widow completely, horrifically, utterly, maliciously outclasses Felicia in close quarters combat. Anyone who says otherwise will be on the receiving end of my Beserker Barrage,
 
  
#43 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@RainEffect said:

@Erik said:

Any other thoughts?

To summarise my rant on the other thread of this same title ...

Black Widow completely, horrifically, utterly, maliciously outclasses Felicia in close quarters combat. Anyone who says otherwise will be on the receiving end of my Beserker Barrage,

FELICIA FTW! HER SKILLS ARE WAY BETTER!

#44 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@RainEffect said:

@Erik said:

Any other thoughts?

To summarise my rant on the other thread of this same title ...

Black Widow completely, horrifically, utterly, maliciously outclasses Felicia in close quarters combat. Anyone who says otherwise will be on the receiving end of my Beserker Barrage,

Jesus that was awesome.

#45 Edited by Bright_Blade (238 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow got one shotted by Daredevil. Black Cat knocks her around like a ball of yarn.

#46 Posted by Illuminatus (9509 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bright_Blade said:

Black Widow got one shotted by Daredevil. Black Cat knocks her around like a ball of yarn.

Provide scans.
#47 Posted by Void_Paladin (901 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow trips on a Spider-Man plushie, and gets knocked unconscious as her head hits the fist of a Hulk poster.

#48 Posted by entropy_aegis (15319 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Bright_Blade said:

Black Widow got one shotted by Daredevil. Black Cat knocks her around like a ball of yarn.

Provide scans.

It did happen,I think you'll find them in a 8 page Batman vs Black Widow thread.

#49 Posted by Erik (32793 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: @Illuminatus:

It did happen but that should not matter since DD is better than both of them in H2H.

#50 Posted by Bright_Blade (238 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Bright_Blade said:

Black Widow got one shotted by Daredevil. Black Cat knocks her around like a ball of yarn.

Provide scans.

Sure.