#1 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1168 posts) - - Show Bio

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#2 Posted by RBT (5006 posts) - - Show Bio

@RenaissanceMan: If its only h2h, Cass takes majority. If Canary cry is allowed, Dinah takes the majority.

#3 Posted by Joygirl (19985 posts) - - Show Bio

What he said. Dinah is top 10 maybe. Cass is top 5.

#4 Posted by GraniteSoldier (9189 posts) - - Show Bio

What exactly are the parameters of the fight? If its standard powers and equipment, Canary hammers it.

#5 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1168 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@RenaissanceMan: If its only h2h, Cass takes majority. If Canary cry is allowed, Dinah takes the majority.

Do you think Cass has any equipment to counter the cry that may give her the win?

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#6 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1168 posts) - - Show Bio

I say they start ten feet apart, if Cass reacts fast enough she could possibly counter the cry couldn't she? I'm not as familiar with Cass, but I know she's a hth beast.

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#7 Posted by jashro44 (26523 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Black Canary is in Cassandras hand to hand league all though this could be due to lack of knowledge. Her best feat is stalemating bronze tiger right? All though I am pretty sure that might be a bit out of her norm? Anyways standard battle forum rules state if starting distance isn't specified they begin up close so I will go with cassandra until I can see some feats from canary that suggest she can hold out in melee.

#8 Posted by dondave (38978 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@RenaissanceMan: If its only h2h, Cass takes majority. If Canary cry is allowed, Dinah takes the majority.

#9 Posted by RBT (5006 posts) - - Show Bio

@RenaissanceMan: I doubt it. Dinah has been able to hurt meta humans with her cry. Unless they start at a decent distance in a stealth scenario, I doubt Cass can dodge it.

#10 Posted by Pokeysteve (8774 posts) - - Show Bio

Cass is one of, if not THE best (human) hand to hand fighter/s in DC. Canary is excellent and top 10 as Joy said but she can't beat Cass.

If the Canary cry is allowed I'd say Cass still takes a majority. Her armor should protect her and the cry's power varies greatly.

#11 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5521 posts) - - Show Bio

H2H only - Canary is screwed.

Standard gear and powers allowed - Cassie may be able to win provided she has the equipment to counter the Canary Cry.

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#13 Posted by MonsterStomp (21370 posts) - - Show Bio

Really need to put more effort in your battles.

Starting distance? Gear? etc.

Cassie would stomp Canary in hand to hand.

If Canary Cry is allowed, depending on the starting distance, Canary wins easy.

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#14 Posted by TDK_1997 (15248 posts) - - Show Bio

What are the circumstances of this battle?

#15 Posted by TheWitchingHour (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

We need fight parameters. Too much ambiguity in this scenario. Cass is a superior hand to hand fighter but Canary can hold her own and has a metahuman ability. Depending on morals, location, gear and other factors it could go either way.

However with a lot of assumption I'd say Cassandra wins. She is a superior fighter as well as stealthier and more agile than Canary. She also seems to have an extremely high pain threshold. I think that would help her against Dinah's sonic attack. The canary cry could slow Cass down but I think ultimately she incapacitates Dinah.

#16 Posted by RBT (5006 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@RenaissanceMan: If its only h2h, Cass takes majority. If Canary cry is allowed, Dinah takes the majority.

Do you think Cass has any equipment to counter the cry that may give her the win?

Batman once used a device on Silver Banshee which sent her scream cack to her. But I've never seen that device being used again, by Batman or any other member. So, I doubt it.

#17 Edited by Rick_Grayson (918 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@renaissanceman said:

@rbt said:

@RenaissanceMan: If its only h2h, Cass takes majority. If Canary cry is allowed, Dinah takes the majority.

Do you think Cass has any equipment to counter the cry that may give her the win?

Batman once used a device on Silver Banshee which sent her scream cack to her. But I've never seen that device being used again, by Batman or any other member. So, I doubt it.

I thought of the exact same feat, but that happened in the Batman / Superman run which as far as I'm aware is not canon. This fight is completely determined by whether Canary has her Cry and starting distance, for obvious reasons.

#18 Posted by RBT (5006 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rick_Grayson: What? Batman/Superman is not canon? I always thought they were.

#19 Edited by SlimJ87D (10989 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Cannary.

@rbt It's hard to tell what is canon in it because it was terribly written and things just don't make sense in it and how it related to the DC world later. There's no proof of it being canon or not canon.

#20 Posted by Rick_Grayson (918 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: @rbt: Well, I can't say 100% either way, but the few times I've tried to use feats from that run in debates on here I've had a flood of "not canon" replies. I'm trusting the vine on this one.

#21 Posted by SlimJ87D (10989 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: @rbt: Well, I can't say 100% either way, but the few times I've tried to use feats from that run in debates on here I've had a flood of "not canon" replies. I'm trusting the vine on this one.

I honestly don't believe it to be canon as when Batman gained Superman's powers, he beat the hell out of Grayson and disfigured him so bad, that Alfred said half his teeth were gone and he'll never look the same again.

That same story arc, batman punched a hole through Bane and his internal organs came pooring out. He was also on Venom during the time he vowed to stay off of it and had not been on it for awhile.

Batman would never lose that kind of control. And Graysons face was fine. Bane appeared in many arcs afterwards without any kind of wound.

Just didn't make sense to me along with many other things.

#22 Posted by Lady_Liberty (8439 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary's scream is her only chance here. However, even with the scream Cassandra is so fast that she could evade the scream AFTER Canary screamed. A sonic attack is a wave of sound which travels at the speed of sound, logically enough. Cassandra has evaded a vast number of supersonic attacks, including weaving between bullets after they have left the barrel of the gun. Cass is basically immune to Canary's two methods of damage, sonic screams and martial arts.

Because of Cass's massive advantages in speed and skill combined with her move reading abilities I have to give her this battle 8/10, or even 9/10. There aren't very many ways for Canary to win.

#23 Edited by MonsterStomp (21370 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary's scream is her only chance here. However, even with the scream Cassandra is so fast that she could evade the scream AFTER Canary screamed.

Or throat chop ftw.

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#24 Edited by Arise7 (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary wins, Cassandra Cain might be better in h2h combat but they are in the same league. It's not like Cassandra could beat her in 5 seconds or anything. Regardless of distance Canary is good enough to stall for enough time to give her a chance to use canary cry.

#25 Edited by dondave (38978 posts) - - Show Bio

Ehh, even with the Canary Cry, Cassandra still stops her

#26 Posted by Arise7 (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary cry could K.O. her in one hit, regardless of what type of suit she's wearing. Her cry is able to break down buildings and shatter metal. Sorry but Cass gets stomped with the cry.

#27 Posted by Funsiized (3861 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra will destroy her if this gets close. Depending on when in N52 this is, Dinahs cry may take it.