you see a lot of my friends have been asking me this and i wanted to ask for your opinions who do you think would win in a hand to hand fight no weapons.
What's the situation? Is it just a hand to hand fight? Are there weapons involved, and if so what kind and who gets them? Is Black Canary allowed to use her cry and are morals on or off?
" What's the situation? Is it just a hand to hand fight? Are there weapons involved, and if so what kind and who gets them? Is Black Canary allowed to use her cry and are morals on or off? "
OP says h2h no weapons...but that's all it says......
widow...she's far more tactical, and skilled simple trank -snipe from elevated position will do tha job..... and shield ear pluggs will resist the savage scream..if need be
Widow has decades more fighting experience than Canary since she was born before WWII. She has been subjected to bio-technological and psycho-technological enhancement. This gave her physical abilities much like Captain America. She possesses peak-level physiology, making her as strong, agile, fast, and durable as a female human can possibly be without being classified as superhuman. This also extends to her senses and immune system, which are similarly heightened to peak human level. She's proven that she can hold her own against both Captains of America, Hawkeye, and Daredevil. She is an accomplished battle strategist and has been the leader of the Avengers and even SHIELD on one occasion. And her decades of combat experience against hundreds of superhuman enemies prove that she's no pushover. All of that combined with her high tech catsuit, weapons, and gadgets make her > than Black Canary.
@Decoy Elite: She would win even without weapons due to her peak human attributes, approximately 70 years of combat experience and training, tactical mind, agility, and high-tech catsuit that protects her from injury and allows her to stick to walls.
" @Decoy Elite: She would win even without weapons due to her peak human attributes, approximately 70 years of combat experience and training, tactical mind, agility, and high-tech catsuit that protects her from injury and allows her to stick to walls. "
1. What protects her from the Canary cry? 2. What real noteworthy opponents has Black Widow beaten?
@spidey 15: I haven't seen her lose badly to DD before. I would need scans to be sure.
Plus even if she lost to DD, that doesn't mean she couldn't beat Black Canary. DD has Superhuman senses and balance that help make him extraordinarily dangerous. Daredevil has also been trained in the ninja arts by Stick, a master and member of the secret order The Chaste. Nick Fury, former director of S.H.I.E.L.D, commented that there are only a handful of individuals that know what Matt Murdock knows, referring to the Chaste. Stick helped Daredevil control his powers and taught him valuable fighting techniques with ninja-stealth, ninja-vanishing, to even life-energy(chi/ki)control. Matt uses a variety of pressure points as in paralyzing an entire body or certain parts of the body. He's disabled eye sight, speech, induced pain, and even has knowledge of death pressure points. Daredevil's fighting style blends American-style Boxing, Ninjutsu, Judo, Aikijujutsu and various other martial arts, most notably Staff Fighting with his acrobatic ability. His skills have proven sufficient to allow him to defeat, or at least hold his own, against some of the greatest fighters on Earth. With the use of his Ninja techniques he has done things impossible for most humans and superhumans such as vanishing in thin air in front of gunman, jogging up walls, resurrecting himself from the dead and so on. His skills have taken him to facing such skilled opponents as Captain America, Black Widow, Taskmaster, Wolverine, Elektra, Bullseye, The Avengers, and Echo.
In sum, both Black Widow AND Daredevil would kick Black Canary's @$$ without weapons.
@Captain13: First of all, it's not necessary to show the whole history of DD, i'm aware of what he can do and what he did.
And seriously, can you name me anything impressive that Widow did? I mean seriously, you do know who Black Canary is, right? If not, check here to learn. Black Canary will be stomp with great ease.
Also DD had beaten her more than once but this is the only fight that i have now
" @Decoy Elite: She would win even without weapons due to her peak human attributes, approximately 70 years of combat experience and training, tactical mind, agility, and high-tech catsuit that protects her from injury and allows her to stick to walls. "
1. What protects her from the Canary cry? 2. What real noteworthy opponents has Black Widow beaten? "
1. Black Canary's cry is limited by her morals in this fight. So she won't use it to destroy everything or kill anyone. On top of that, skilled fighters like Black Widow can get around her cry. See Lady Shiva, White canary, and animated Huntress for details. And yes I know cartoons aren't canon, but I'm proving a point. What's to stop Widow from punching her in the throat or moving away from the blast using her agility?
2. Black Widow has kept up using only h2h with Captain America I, Captain America II, Wolverine, Yelena Belova, Daredevil, Elektra, and others. She usually isn't chosen to be the one to beat the main enemy because she's always used in stories as a background character and a sidekick. She's not as popular as Cap, Thor, Iron Man, so what do you expect? When has Black Canary beaten anyone important in a Justice League book? The only reason she has beaten people in stories is because she's basically the field leader of the Birds of Prey. If Widow were leader of a group of B-listers and C-listers in an ongoing title, she would get used more as a main character and she would beat more people. Plus just because Black Canary has won some fights doesn't mean she can beat the female, Russian version of Cap.
" @Captain13: First of all, it's not necessary to show the whole history of DD, i'm aware of what he can do and what he did.
And seriously, can you name me anything impressive that Widow did? I mean seriously, you do know who Black Canary is, right? If not, check here to learn. Black Widow will be stomp with great ease.
Also DD had beaten her more than once but this is the only fight that i have now
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Both Widow and DD would/could beat Canary. Widow would win even without weapons due to her peak human attributes, approximately 70 years of combat experience and training, tactical mind, agility, and high-tech catsuit that protects her from injury and allows her to stick to walls. Canary can cry all she wants. She's not going to win.
@Captain13: Sorry that was a typo, of course i meant BC.
Yeah, 70 years of experience and training, tactical mind and agility, didn't save her from being crushed by DD( who has less experience) in seconds. I would love to know what impressive thing she did that put her above a character that is listed in the seven greater fighters in the DC universe. =]
" @Captain13: Sorry that was a typo, of course i meant BC. Yeah, 70 years of experience and training, tactical mind and agility, didn't save her from being crushed by DD( who has less experience) in seconds. I would love to know what impressive thing she did that puther above a character that is listed in the seven greater fighters in the DC universe. =] "
I know you meant BC, but I thought it was funny. Your subconscious knows the truth. =] Canary isn't in the Top 10 of the DC universe. It's more like : 1. Karate Kid 2. Richard Dragon 3. Deathstroke 4. Cassandra Cain 5. Connor Hawke 6. Constantine Drakon 7. White Canary 8. Shiva 9. David Cain 10. Batman 11. Bronze Tiger 12. Wonder Woman 13. Dick Grayson 14. Judomaster 15. Black Canary
Being beaten by DD is nothing to be ashamed about since he could also beat Canary. DD has Superhuman senses and balance that help make him extraordinarily dangerous. Daredevil has also been trained in the ninja arts by Stick, a master and member of the secret order The Chaste. Nick Fury, former director of S.H.I.E.L.D, commented that there are only a handful of individuals that know what Matt Murdock knows, referring to the Chaste. Stick helped Daredevil control his powers and taught him valuable fighting techniques with ninja-stealth, ninja-vanishing, to even life-energy(chi/ki)control. Matt uses a variety of pressure points as in paralyzing an entire body or certain parts of the body. He's disabled eye sight, speech, induced pain, and even has knowledge of death pressure points. Daredevil's fighting style blends American-style Boxing, Ninjutsu, Judo, Aikijujutsu and various other martial arts, most notably Staff Fighting with his acrobatic ability. His skills have proven sufficient to allow him to defeat, or at least hold his own, against some of the greatest fighters on Earth. With the use of his Ninja techniques he has done things impossible for most humans and superhumans such as vanishing in thin air in front of gunman, jogging up walls, resurrecting himself from the dead and so on. His skills have taken him to facing such skilled opponents as Captain America, Black Widow, Taskmaster, Wolverine, Elektra, Bullseye, The Avengers, and Echo. What makes you think Black Canary can beat DD in h2h?
Why do I think Black Widow is a better fighter than Black Canary? Well beyond her peak human attributes and approximately 70 years of combat experience and training that should allow her to do this:
She has also matched Captain America I, Captain America II, Wolverine, and Elektra in h2h. All of them are better at h2h than Black Canary IMHO.
" White Canary and Lady Shiva would also own Black Widow. "
I didn't say they couldn't beat her. I'm saying that fighters with no powers can get past Black Canary's cry and beat her. White Canary> or = Black Widow > Black Canary.
Again stop telling me the whole story of DD, i'm aware of what he can do. And by your logic, it's ashamed of losing to DD because BW has more tech and more experience. These were the reasons on why you believe that BW wins. So yes, by your logic, is ashamed of losing to DD, especially in seconds. Also her great agility, didn't save her from the shield that DD threw. I want scans where it shows he was able to beat or keep up with the characters you named. Also that video that you posted, make me take you less seriously than before. Also, did you check the link i gave you. =]
" White Canary and Lady Shiva would also own Black Widow. "
I didn't say they couldn't beat her. I'm saying that fighters with no powers can get past Black Canary's cry and beat her. White Canary> or = Black Widow > Black Canary. "
Seriously, where in your scans Black Canary is using her cry? And, you didn't even mention anything impressive for BW, i can't understand why do you believe she is above BC. =]
some facts I think you should take in too: 1. BC is also peak human in attributes 2. She defeated white canary and shiva(without technology, and this is in H2H) 3. everyone has a point, who was she able to defeat? as in give me a big name because BC was able to take on Shiva, Batman, White Canary, Deathstroke, Cassandra, Merlyn, Ra's al Ghul, Cheshire, Savant
" @Captain13: where'd you find that list? some facts I think you should take in too: 1. BC is also peak human in attributes 2. She defeated white canary and shiva(without technology, and this is in H2H) 3. everyone has a point, who was she able to defeat? as in give me a big name because BC was able to take on Shiva, Batman, White Canary, Deathstroke, Cassandra, Merlyn, Ra's al Ghul, Cheshire, Savant "
" @Captain13: Where did you find that list? Again stop telling me the whole story of DD, i'm aware of what he can do. And by your logic, it's ashamed of losing to DD because BW has more tech and more experience. These were the reasons on why you believe that BW wins. So yes, by your logic, is ashamed of losing to DD, especially in seconds. Also her great agility, didn't save her from the shield that DD threw. I want scans where it shows he was able to beat or keep up with the characters you named. Also that video that you posted, make me take you less seriously than before. Also, did you check the link i gave you. =] "
How is it a shame to lose to DD who uses magical ninja tricks? Tricks that Black Canary doesn't have. Yes, BW beats BC bc of more tech and combat experience. Unless Canary lives through 70 years of fights, or picks up some magical ninja abilities, or beats Captain America or Wolverine in a fight , I'm not going to believe she can beat BW. And I really don't know what your scan means. You say she lost in seconds, but I want to know the context. Since they were partners I want to know why they would fight in the first place. Is one of them brainwashed? Has Widow been weakened? What happened before those panels? Why the heck does DD have Cap's shield? How do I know that that scan isn't PIS or else worlds or something?
I don't have a scanner, but in Captain America: Fallen Son, BW fought Bucky to s standstill before he escaped in a flying car. And in Marvel Comics Presents, she fought Wolverine to a standstill. Give me a sec to look through my garage for the issue.
And I'm sorry if the video made you take me less seriously. I don't see why. I think it showed a good example of peak human agility. Agility BC doesn't have. But you're entitled to your opinion. Yes, I have read BC's page as well as her comics.
@spidey 15 said:
" @Captain13 said:
" @MrDirector786 said:
" White Canary and Lady Shiva would also own Black Widow. "
I didn't say they couldn't beat her. I'm saying that fighters with no powers can get past Black Canary's cry and beat her. White Canary> or = Black Widow > Black Canary. "
Seriously, where in your scans Black Canary is using her cry? And, you didn't even mention anything impressive for BW, i can't understand why do you believe she is above BC. =] "
Those scans and vids prove that Canary doesn't open fights with her cry under normal circumstances and they prove she can be beaten by people with no powers. Her morality keeps her from winning this fight. Without morals she would have won. But they're on, so she loses because she'll be hesitant to use her Canary Cry.
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