#1 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (41017 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this pure H2H?

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#3 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

More of a straight up fight, they get to use whatever they've got.

#4 Posted by RBT (4137 posts) - - Show Bio

Pure h2h, Panther wins. But barely.

If everything is allowed, Dinah stomps.

#5 Posted by Wolverine08 (41017 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Pure h2h, Panther wins. But barely.

If everything is allowed, Dinah stomps.

I wouldn't say barely....

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#6 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd be interested to see if Panther could overcome the cry.

#7 Edited by Cable_Extreme (9037 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, H2H, Black Canary gets defeated for a great majority.

If it is anything goes, Canary wins.

#8 Posted by Fallschirmjager (16491 posts) - - Show Bio

vague thread is vague

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#9 Posted by dondave (36394 posts) - - Show Bio

T'Challa

#10 Edited by RenaissanceMan (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

vague thread is vague

They start 15 feet apart, anything goes, Panther has daggers and force fields, Canary can let loose with the cry at her earliest convenience.

#11 Posted by jashro44 (20718 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know if T'challa can counter the canary cry....Depends on the version I guess. Vibranium can absorb sound waves so I suppose classic could win.

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#12 Posted by RBT (4137 posts) - - Show Bio

@Wolverine08: It'll be hardly an easy win for Panther. Dinah is one of the best h2h fighter of DC. Easily surpassing most of Bat family. T'challa would win, but Dinah would give him hell.

#13 Posted by GraniteSoldier (7520 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

I don't know if T'challa can counter the canary cry....Depends on the version I guess. Vibranium can absorb sound waves so I suppose classic could win.

@rbt said:

@Wolverine08: It'll be hardly an easy win for Panther. Dinah is one of the best h2h fighter of DC. Easily surpassing most of Bat family. T'challa would win, but Dinah would give him hell.

Both of these. If she can cut loose with the cry, current BP is going down hard. Without the cry BP wins a majority, but he has to work for them. Canary is a hand to hand beast, although Panther is slightly more skilled, BPs physicals give him the bigger edge though in the hand to hand department.

#14 Edited by Wolverine08 (41017 posts) - - Show Bio

@granitesoldier:

Ah, pardon my ignorance regarding Canary. I've heard she's one of DC's best fighters, but I haven't seen that man feats from here so I thought she was one of those top tier fighters who gets their acclaim from statements.

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#15 Posted by Spideysense44 (3372 posts) - - Show Bio

Tchalla still wins this..

#16 Posted by AmazonieSPL (290 posts) - - Show Bio

Anything goes:Black Canary

H2H:Black Panther

Awesome:This fight

AmazonieSPL

#17 Posted by dondave (36394 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt Canary Cry would affect him to greatly. One of his major Villains is Klaw, the Master of Sound. He's altered his suit to help him better fight Klaw, it should also work against Canary.

#18 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7024 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't current Black Panther like superhuman? He can also cloak and teleport. I don't see why he couldn't teleport behind her and put her in a sleeper hold.

Dinah is a great fighter, but if he can close the distance before she tries to canary cry him, then I would see him winning.

He's one of the best hand to hand combatants and has superhuman stats and tech to back it up.

#20 Posted by jashro44 (20718 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

I doubt Canary Cry would affect him to greatly. One of his major Villains is Klaw, the Master of Sound. He's altered his suit to help him better fight Klaw, it should also work against Canary.

We have no idea if he even has the vibranium suit still though.

Isn't current Black Panther like superhuman? He can also cloak and teleport. I don't see why he couldn't teleport behind her and put her in a sleeper hold.

Dinah is a great fighter, but if he can close the distance before she tries to canary cry him, then I would see him winning.

He's one of the best hand to hand combatants and has superhuman stats and tech to back it up.

Yea he is currently super human. Thing is he isn't really going to be aware of the cry until after she uses it....He has to be able to end it quickly which is possible given his skill and hand to hand but I don't know. Depends how Canary decides to fight here.

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#21 Posted by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't current Black Panther like superhuman? He can also cloak and teleport. I don't see why he couldn't teleport behind her and put her in a sleeper hold.

Dinah is a great fighter, but if he can close the distance before she tries to canary cry him, then I would see him winning.

He's one of the best hand to hand combatants and has superhuman stats and tech to back it up.

Good point. If this is the case, I'll take T'challa. It's likely Dinah wouldn't try to use her Canary Cry right away, she usually sticks to h2h anyway.

#22 Posted by batmannflash (6214 posts) - - Show Bio

Since there are 15 feet apart, I would say that Black Canary would just use her canary cry and it'd be all over.

However, I'm not sure about vibranium's resistance to sound waves

#23 Posted by GraniteSoldier (7520 posts) - - Show Bio

@granitesoldier:

Ah, pardon my ignorance regarding Canary. I've heard she's one of DC's best fighters, but I haven't seen that man feats from here so I thought she was one of those top tier fighters who gets their acclaim from statements.

She's a great fighter, but like BP because she isn't as followed by as many people her feats aren't as well known. She's one of my favorite DC characters, but even then I know there are plenty more people on CV that know more about her than I do. Panther is still stronger H2H in my opinion, though, with or without his enhancements. They just put him over that much more.

#24 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

black panther.

#25 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7024 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

I'm more inclined to believe that Panther would teleport into melee range in order to end the battle quick. His hand to hand skills combined with his super stats should allow him to take her down. However, if Black Canary manages to use her cry on him, I would say he would be KO'ed.

#26 Edited by batmannflash (6214 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary is one of the best H2H fighters in DC and apparently her sonic scream can liquefy bones. reaches up to 300 decibels

I've never seen scans though

and I'm not sure of Panther's resistance to the scream, as I stated above

#27 Posted by RenaissanceMan (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

I'm more inclined to believe that Panther would teleport into melee range in order to end the battle quick. His hand to hand skills combined with his super stats should allow him to take her down. However, if Black Canary manages to use her cry on him, I would say he would be KO'ed.

good point

#28 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5372 posts) - - Show Bio

BP wins handily

#29 Posted by Skaddix (3114 posts) - - Show Bio

BP Vibranium absorbs Kinetic Energy, Canary Cry is Kinetic Energy. Or BP can just port behind her dodging the cry not to mention Black Canary does not usually open with it she goes H2H first.

#30 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary is a pretty fly H2H fighter, no lie.

But I'm inclined to give T'Challa the majority here - assuming we're talking about Pre-upgrade Black Panther with the vibranium suit. His already impressive HTH skills, coupled by the obvious physical stats advantage thanks to the Heart-shaped herb, give him the advantage in close-combat. At range, he can shoot the energy daggers like bullets to keep her on her toes. His most useful ability, though, would be the vibranium suit, which as explicitly stated here....

...protects him from not only her blunt force, but also makes BP impervious to sonic attacks. So, I doubt the canary cry would work on him. Heck, his nemesis is made entirely of sound.

If, assuming we're talking about KoTD Black Panther, it is true that the vibranium suit is unconfirmed. But even if we ignore that, given his added experience (all the past BPs) and physicals (now superhuman) advantage - and the wide variety of toys like force-fields, cloaking, and teleportation, I'd still be inclined to give this to Panther. No reason why he can't port out of her scream's direction, plus it's not like Canary's gonna go full-on lethal at the first opportunity.

#31 Edited by homicidalmaniac (7398 posts) - - Show Bio

Panther

#32 Posted by RetconCrisis (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary cry is too much for BP.

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#33 Posted by jashro44 (20718 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

I'm more inclined to believe that Panther would teleport into melee range in order to end the battle quick. His hand to hand skills combined with his super stats should allow him to take her down. However, if Black Canary manages to use her cry on him, I would say he would be KO'ed.

Fair points. I guess since starting distance isn't specified we also assume they begin up close due to battle forum rules.

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#34 Posted by Cable_Extreme (9037 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@omgomgwtfwtf said:

@jashro44:

I'm more inclined to believe that Panther would teleport into melee range in order to end the battle quick. His hand to hand skills combined with his super stats should allow him to take her down. However, if Black Canary manages to use her cry on him, I would say he would be KO'ed.

Fair points. I guess since starting distance isn't specified we also assume they begin up close due to battle forum rules.

Her cry could be a big nono to BP's enhanced senses. But if it is current, teleportation / invisibility could play a factor, such as teleporting out of view, stealthing up to her ect... But what do I know?

#35 Posted by jashro44 (20718 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@omgomgwtfwtf said:

@jashro44:

I'm more inclined to believe that Panther would teleport into melee range in order to end the battle quick. His hand to hand skills combined with his super stats should allow him to take her down. However, if Black Canary manages to use her cry on him, I would say he would be KO'ed.

Fair points. I guess since starting distance isn't specified we also assume they begin up close due to battle forum rules.

Her cry could be a big nono to BP's enhanced senses. But if it is current, teleportation / invisibility could play a factor, such as teleporting out of view, stealthing up to her ect... But what do I know?

Well if its classic as veashark pointed out the vibranium suit gives defense against that. All though yea Black Panther should win.

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#36 Posted by Cable_Extreme (9037 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@jashro44 said:

@omgomgwtfwtf said:

@jashro44:

I'm more inclined to believe that Panther would teleport into melee range in order to end the battle quick. His hand to hand skills combined with his super stats should allow him to take her down. However, if Black Canary manages to use her cry on him, I would say he would be KO'ed.

Fair points. I guess since starting distance isn't specified we also assume they begin up close due to battle forum rules.

Her cry could be a big nono to BP's enhanced senses. But if it is current, teleportation / invisibility could play a factor, such as teleporting out of view, stealthing up to her ect... But what do I know?

Well if its classic as veashark pointed out the vibranium suit gives defense against that. All though yea Black Panther should win.

Oh, I thought this was current, if it is classic it would be like how the explosion of the vibrainium in wakanda was almost completely muffled.

#37 Edited by RenaissanceMan (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis said:

Canary cry is too much for BP.

doubt it. his gear helps him work around it

#38 Posted by RetconCrisis (3715 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis said:

Canary cry is too much for BP.

doubt it. his gear helps him work around it

Wait, is this current BP?

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#39 Edited by Pokeysteve (8245 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't current BP an even bigger bad ass than previous BP.

Eh. Panther should win. He is regularly =/> Batman who is generally considered better than Canary. Her cry has it's high showings and it's low showings but Panther's suit will protect him regardless.

#40 Posted by jashro44 (20718 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't current BP an even bigger bad ass than previous BP.

Eh. Panther should win. He is regularly =/> Batman who is generally considered better than Canary. Her cry has it's high showings and it's low showings but Panther's suit will protect him regardless.

His upgrades are pretty vague. When he received the upgrades he was stated to have all the strength and knowledge of the previous black panthers. We know he is super human (I asked HIckman who confirmed it) but we don't really know to what degree (depending on if you take the statement of him having all the strength and knowledge of the past black panther literally or not estamates will vary). He beat black dwarf off panel (he has no feats but Breevort stated in an interview he is suppose to have the mass of a dwarf star or something like that [I think that Breevort is just talking crap though]), he one shotted black swan who is also super human to an unknown degree, and he also punched a hole though the chest of a cyborg.

In terms of tech its unclear if he still has the vibranium suit (All though his current suit is insulated to electrical attacks) but he has a teleporter, can turn invisible, and a force field. He also still has his energy daggers.

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#41 Posted by Pokeysteve (8245 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@pokeysteve said:

Isn't current BP an even bigger bad ass than previous BP.

Eh. Panther should win. He is regularly =/> Batman who is generally considered better than Canary. Her cry has it's high showings and it's low showings but Panther's suit will protect him regardless.

His upgrades are pretty vague. When he received the upgrades he was stated to have all the strength and knowledge of the previous black panthers. We know he is super human (I asked HIckman who confirmed it) but we don't really know to what degree (depending on if you take the statement of him having all the strength and knowledge of the past black panther literally or not estamates will vary). He beat black dwarf off panel (he has no feats but Breevort stated in an interview he is suppose to have the mass of a dwarf star or something like that [I think that Breevort is just talking crap though]), he one shotted black swan who is also super human to an unknown degree, and he also punched a hole though the chest of a cyborg.

In terms of tech its unclear if he still has the vibranium suit (All though his current suit is insulated to electrical attacks) but he has a teleporter, can turn invisible, and a force field. He also still has his energy daggers.

I don't go by author statements. I want to see things on panel. Man of Steel, power of a million exploding suns and so on. It's just talk till it's on the page. I still think he beats her though.