#1 Posted by Jade1977 (598 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary vs. Wonder Woman as a depowered Diana Prince in hand-to-hand combat. Who wins?

#2 Posted by Scarbearer (722 posts) - - Show Bio

Oooooo tough one....  I'm probably going to go with a depowered Wonder Woman based on having an immortal life time of battle experience to draw on, but I think this could be a very close fight.

#3 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Black Canary could pull of some wins

#4 Posted by Billy Batson (57707 posts) - - Show Bio

50/50 or WW

#5 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary takes this

#6 Posted by Saren (25241 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman.

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#7 Posted by max4523 (83 posts) - - Show Bio

wonder woman 7 times out of 10.

#8 Posted by Army2442 (1430 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman wins handily.

#9 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary. 

#10 Posted by primepower53 (5686 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

50/50 or WW

#11 Posted by Whisper_ (3459 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary. Six or seven times out of ten. She's more accustomed to fighting without powers or added stats than Diana is and I'd argue that she's a better technical fighter. Diana shines in melee when she's using weapons and when she has access to her powers. She has basics down and then some, that's par for the course with Amazons, but she's out of her comfort zone on this one.

#12 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Whisper_ said:

Black Canary. Six or seven times out of ten. She's more accustomed to fighting without powers or added stats than Diana is and I'd argue that she's a better technical fighter. Diana shines in melee when she's using weapons and when she has access to her powers. She has basics down and then some, that's par for the course with Amazons, but she's out of her comfort zone on this one.

This.

#13 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Whisper_: Took the words right out of my mouth. 
#14 Edited by Pokeysteve (7932 posts) - - Show Bio

You really don't see Wonder Woman fight hand to hand all that much. This is a tough call.

@Scarbearer said:

Oooooo tough one.... I'm probably going to go with a depowered Wonder Woman based on having an immortal life time of battle experience to draw on, but I think this could be a very close fight.

What are you talking about?

#15 Posted by Whisper_ (3459 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99: @Static Shock: ^__^

#16 Posted by Illuminatus (9481 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

You really don't see Wonder Woman fight hand to hand all that much. This is a tough call.

Well, you do, but she uses her powers to make up for the lack of exceptional skill.

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#17 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:

You really don't see Wonder Woman fight hand to hand all that much. 

I try to tell people this, but they don't listen. 
#18 Posted by Whisper_ (3459 posts) - - Show Bio

I have scans of her and Dinah staff-fighting, but it's sparring and a bit ambiguous.

#19 Posted by Hawk80 (338 posts) - - Show Bio

What kind of consequences has WW from being depowered? Needs time do adapt?

WW knows about Canary Cry?

#20 Posted by Pokeysteve (7932 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Pokeysteve said:

You really don't see Wonder Woman fight hand to hand all that much. This is a tough call.

Well, you do, but she uses her powers to make up for the lack of exceptional skill.

Punching Giganta and Cheetah doesn't really count as H2H.

@Static Shock said:

@Pokeysteve said:

You really don't see Wonder Woman fight hand to hand all that much.

I try to tell people this, but they don't listen.

She's been talked up for years and people that aren't familiar with her take that word of mouth as fact. Person A says "Wonder Woman showed some skill in that one comic." and by the time it gets to person B it's become "Wonder Woman beat Batman and Superman with one arm while drunk."

@_Whisper_ said:

I have scans of her and Dinah staff-fighting, but it's sparring and a bit ambiguous.

From Birds of Prey right?

#21 Posted by Whisper_ (3459 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve: That'd be the one. But I can't remember if it's prior to her switch with Shiva and additional training.

@Hawk80 said:

What kind of consequences has WW from being depowered? Needs time do adapt?

WW knows about Canary Cry?

It means she doesn't have access to any of her powers that she'd normally have. Things like her enhanced durability and speed. She's fighting as a baseline human.

Dinah does not have access to her Canary Cry for this battle.

#22 Edited by Hawk80 (338 posts) - - Show Bio

It means she doesn't have access to any of her powers that she'd normally have. Things like her enhanced durability and speed. She's fighting as a baseline human.

Dinah does not have access to her Canary Cry for this battle.

Victory for Diana, then. Hell of a fight, though

#23 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Whisper_ said:

@majestic99: @Static Shock: ^__^

What does that mean?

#24 Posted by Supreme Cosmic (764 posts) - - Show Bio

black woman beats wonder canary 10/10

#25 Posted by Saren (25241 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Wonder Woman.

*slaps past self*

Canary for the win.

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#26 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard to say... Dinah did score a point against WW when they were sparring (and WW was obviously holding back her stat advantage.) BUT from the narrative, it was pretty clear (to me, anyway) that Dinah was pleasantly surprised at being able to do that, and still regarded WW as the superior fighter. And the sparring match involved weapons as well...

#27 Posted by PowerHerc (80725 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Whisper_ said:

Black Canary. Six or seven times out of ten. She's more accustomed to fighting without powers or added stats than Diana is and I'd argue that she's a better technical fighter. Diana shines in melee when she's using weapons and when she has access to her powers. She has basics down and then some, that's par for the course with Amazons, but she's out of her comfort zone on this one.

Agreed.

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#28 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
@majestic99: He/she is delighted that we agree with him/her. 
#29 Posted by majestic99 (8638 posts) - - Show Bio

@Static Shock: Thanks.

#30 Posted by soccersss (537 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary wins. She's a technically more skilled fighter and she is also one of the toughest females. While Diana without her powers won't be a walk in a park, she is no match for Dinah

#31 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@Static Shock: Thanks.

No problem.

#32 Posted by Billy Batson (57707 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@CitizenBane said:

Wonder Woman.

*slaps past self*

Canary for the win.

*slaps Bane too
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#33 Posted by Pokeysteve (7932 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Whisper_ said:

@Pokeysteve: That'd be the one. But I can't remember if it's prior to her switch with Shiva and additional training.

It was way before the switch. Her skills increased noticeably (to other characters) after that.

#34 Posted by Whisper_ (3459 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

@_Whisper_ said:

@Pokeysteve: That'd be the one. But I can't remember if it's prior to her switch with Shiva and additional training.

It was way before the switch. Her skills increased noticeably (to other characters) after that.

Thank you. It's been at least a year since I read that run and I couldn't for the life of me remember.

#35 Posted by Pokeysteve (7932 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Whisper_ said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@_Whisper_ said:

@Pokeysteve: That'd be the one. But I can't remember if it's prior to her switch with Shiva and additional training.

It was way before the switch. Her skills increased noticeably (to other characters) after that.

Thank you. It's been at least a year since I read that run and I couldn't for the life of me remember.

No problem. I hate when that happens. I've read that run like 50 times it seems lol.

#36 Posted by Void_Paladin (901 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Canary.

#37 Posted by dawsey28 (182 posts) - - Show Bio

For reference:

#38 Posted by spystreak (2063 posts) - - Show Bio

@Scarbearer said:

Oooooo tough one.... I'm probably going to go with a depowered Wonder Woman based on having an immortal life time of battle experience to draw on, but I think this could be a very close fight.
#39 Posted by max4523 (83 posts) - - Show Bio

people tend beileve what they want 2. black canary is about the best female fighters there is. however, characters like superman and power girl tend rely mor e on powers than skill. as the man said in the other post. black canary acknowleges diana as the better fighter. black canary states, if let loose with a tenth of her strength or speed shed knock me 2 pluto. clearly diana isnt relying on her powers in the fight. besides ww came from an island where all they do is educate themselves and train 2 fight. granted dinah is the only female who probaly could beat a powerless diana had 2 hand besides shiva or barda. i think canary scores sum wins but diana 4 the majority. people always dowm play ww. diana is almost superman class, with batman level fighting skills. realistically, she should b able 2 mop the floor with superman. writers allow batman 2 consistantly beat opponents more powerful than him.

#40 Posted by henryarguelles5 (366 posts) - - Show Bio

I say Wonder Woman for the majority. I'm willing to give Dinah the edge in technical skill, but considering their characters...Wonder Woman is not giving up or going down. People forget that Wonder Woman is one of the most determined, tenacious characters in comics, and nothing short of a KO is going to make her stop, and I think she's just skilled enough to keep Dinah from doing that. In the Tower of Babel storyline, Batman's safeguard against her is to make her mentally fight a never-ending battle, because he knew that nothing short of her heart stopping would make her quit. In the Birds of Prey posted earlier, it seems like Wonder Woman was being a good friend and took the hit...but in a real fight, she wouldn't hold back.

#41 Posted by TheGraySon (457 posts) - - Show Bio

Black canary. Also shes way hotter.