Black Canary and Cassandra Cain run the Gauntlet

Round 1- Huntress and Catwoman

Round 2- Cyclops (hand to hand combat only) and Mockingbird

Round 3- Ravager and Tim Drake

Round 4- Green Arrow and Hawkeye

Round 5- Elektra and Black Widow

Round 6- Batman and Nightwing

They get a day of rest after each fight

Standard Gear

Canary can use her Canary Cry 2 times overall and only if its a last resort

Each fight takes place in an abandoned warehouse

Can they clear it?

1 - win

2 - win

3 - win

4 - win

5 - win

6 - nope

They only have some serious trouble in Round 6, and if they play it right they clear it all.

They are good, but not so much to beat Bruce and Dick.

Clear it.

I would go as far to say that they don't pass Round 4.

BC can only use her Canary Cry twice and Batgirl is a H2H specialist, so they may have some trouble with archers that have trick arrows and can use their fists if need be. Feel free to prove me wrong seeing as I am not really a DC specialist.

i am thinking they get to round six. and i am not sure of the outcome of that.

@Pwok21: well both canary and cassie have been known to dodge bullets. so they could probably dodge arrows. heck cassie can probably catch the arrows. and they both are far better than the guys in h2h.

With the cry they clear easy. BC uses it against the arrow people.

Without the cry they clear it with some difficulty in the arrow round and the last round. Cass beats or holds Bruce and Canary beats Nightwing.

@Pokeysteve said:

With the cry they clear easy. BC uses it against the arrow people.

Without the cry they clear it with some difficulty in the arrow round and the last round. Cass beats or holds Bruce and Canary beats Nightwing.

How exactly does Canary beat Nightwing? His showings are better than hers and she was nearly killed by an opponent that he's defeated.

They stop at round 6. However wats up with that pic of black canary she looks malnourished, that could play into the match.

Round 1- Huntress and Catwoman

Round 2- Cyclops (hand to hand combat only) and Mockingbird

Round 3- Ravager and Tim Drake

Round 4- Green Arrow and Hawkeye

Round 5- Elektra and Black Widow

Round 6- Batman and Nightwing

They clear it

@CitizenBane said:

@Pokeysteve said:

With the cry they clear easy. BC uses it against the arrow people.

Without the cry they clear it with some difficulty in the arrow round and the last round. Cass beats or holds Bruce and Canary beats Nightwing.

How exactly does Canary beat Nightwing? His showings are better than hers and she was nearly killed by an opponent that he's defeated.

I've never seen anything terribly impressive from him. He's good but not top 10 good. I think she is. I'm not saying it'll be easy either. Who nearly killed her that he defeated?

@Pokeysteve said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Pokeysteve said:

With the cry they clear easy. BC uses it against the arrow people.

Without the cry they clear it with some difficulty in the arrow round and the last round. Cass beats or holds Bruce and Canary beats Nightwing.

How exactly does Canary beat Nightwing? His showings are better than hers and she was nearly killed by an opponent that he's defeated.

I've never seen anything terribly impressive from him. He's good but not top 10 good. I think she is. I'm not saying it'll be easy either. Who nearly killed her that he defeated?

Shrike.

I've seen people say Dinah is top 10 good (I've even seen people claim she's Batman level, of all things) but I have never seen anything in any of her appearances to justify that. I went through all her BOP appearances and her appearances in Green Arrow and JLA books, I'm still trying to find something to justify the status people accord her. She's struggled with Talia al Ghul of all people, she was trained by Shiva but it made little discernible difference after that.

There's a Nightwing respect thread here.

I think they could make their way through the first few fine. They wouldn't get through round 6... I just don't think that they have the ability to overcome all the gadgets...

@HBKTimHBK said:

They only have some serious trouble in Round 6, and if they play it right they clear it all.

@Gambler: I consider the ten best fighters in the DCU to be Sa'ar, Sensei, Cass, Shiva, Batman, Dragon (iffy based on what's canon and what's not, I know), Conner Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Prometheus and maybe either Slade or Drakon for the last spot.

And Dick has a better record against Slade than Dinah does (although he's also been one-shotted by Slade once).

@CitizenBane said:

@Pokeysteve said:

With the cry they clear easy. BC uses it against the arrow people.

Without the cry they clear it with some difficulty in the arrow round and the last round. Cass beats or holds Bruce and Canary beats Nightwing.

How exactly does Canary beat Nightwing? His showings are better than hers and she was nearly killed by an opponent that he's defeated.

Which opponent? I always figured that Canary was better than Dick.

@Dex_Starr: Shrike.

@CitizenBane said:

@Pokeysteve said:

I've never seen anything terribly impressive from him. He's good but not top 10 good. I think she is. I'm not saying it'll be easy either. Who nearly killed her that he defeated?

Shrike.

I've seen people say Dinah is top 10 good (I've even seen people claim she's Batman level, of all things) but I have never seen anything in any of her appearances to justify that. I went through all her BOP appearances and her appearances in Green Arrow and JLA books, I'm still trying to find something to justify the status people accord her. She's struggled with Talia al Ghul of all people, she was trained by Shiva but it made little discernible difference after that.

There's a Nightwing respect thread here.

First thing's first, that respect thread is expertly put together and I wish they all looked like that rather than a bunch of pointless pictures.

His respect thread though had no impressive showings. There was nothing there I don't believe she couldn't do with the same gear. You have the Shrike fight in that thread. The way you talked about it I though he beat the crap out of her. He got a chain around her neck and chucked it in gears. He never touches her. People put her on Batman's level because of ONE statement by Oracle and everyone started quoting it as fact. I'm sure with out his gear she could hold him for a bit but would obviously lose. The problem with her is when someone does come up with impressive stuff, you always have that guy who starts whining about how Simone wrote it and it's this or that or blah blah. Most of her really impressive stuff is in BOP so if you've read them than I don't really have anything new for you.

@Pokeysteve said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Pokeysteve said:

I've never seen anything terribly impressive from him. He's good but not top 10 good. I think she is. I'm not saying it'll be easy either. Who nearly killed her that he defeated?

Shrike.

I've seen people say Dinah is top 10 good (I've even seen people claim she's Batman level, of all things) but I have never seen anything in any of her appearances to justify that. I went through all her BOP appearances and her appearances in Green Arrow and JLA books, I'm still trying to find something to justify the status people accord her. She's struggled with Talia al Ghul of all people, she was trained by Shiva but it made little discernible difference after that.

There's a Nightwing respect thread here.

First thing's first, that respect thread is expertly put together and I wish they all looked like that rather than a bunch of pointless pictures.

His respect thread though had no impressive showings. There was nothing there I don't believe she couldn't do with the same gear. You have the Shrike fight in that thread. The way you talked about it I though he beat the crap out of her. He got a chain around her neck and chucked it in gears. He never touches her. People put her on Batman's level because of ONE statement by Oracle and everyone started quoting it as fact. I'm sure with out his gear she could hold him for a bit but would obviously lose. The problem with her is when someone does come up with impressive stuff, you always have that guy who starts whining about how Simone wrote and it's this or that or blah blah. Most of her really impressive stuff is in BOP so if you've read them than I don't really have anything new for you.

I think that statement was from Huntress, though I might be remembering it wrong and it could have come from Oracle I guess.

I said he nearly killed her, he did.

I don't know what you mean by no impressive showings. He defeated KGBeast, who's given Batman two very hard fights without losing either one, he's defeated Lady Vic and Brutale at the same time (Lady Vic alone was a struggle for Arsenal), he gave JPV a very good fight, he defeated Jason Todd. Dinah is good, but I wouldn't say she's good enough to do any of that apart from perhaps the Lady Vic/Brutale fight. His four or five showings against Deathstroke are better than her four or five showings against Deathstroke since she's been dominated by Slade in most of them (all of them? I need to refresh my memory).

The two girls can do it

@CitizenBane said:

@Pokeysteve said:

First thing's first, that respect thread is expertly put together and I wish they all looked like that rather than a bunch of pointless pictures.

His respect thread though had no impressive showings. There was nothing there I don't believe she couldn't do with the same gear. You have the Shrike fight in that thread. The way you talked about it I though he beat the crap out of her. He got a chain around her neck and chucked it in gears. He never touches her. People put her on Batman's level because of ONE statement by Oracle and everyone started quoting it as fact. I'm sure with out his gear she could hold him for a bit but would obviously lose. The problem with her is when someone does come up with impressive stuff, you always have that guy who starts whining about how Simone wrote and it's this or that or blah blah. Most of her really impressive stuff is in BOP so if you've read them than I don't really have anything new for you.

I think that statement was from Huntress, though I might be remembering it wrong and it could have come from Oracle I guess.

I said he nearly killed her, he did.

I don't know what you mean by no impressive showings. He defeated KGBeast, who's given Batman two very hard fights without losing either one, he's defeated Lady Vic and Brutale at the same time (Lady Vic alone was a struggle for Arsenal), he gave JPV a very good fight, he defeated Jason Todd. Dinah is good, but I wouldn't say she's good enough to do any of that apart from perhaps the Lady Vic/Brutale fight. His four or five showings against Deathstroke are better than her four or five showings against Deathstroke since she's been dominated by Slade in most of them (all of them? I need to refresh my memory).

I'd put money on Oracle but it doesn't matter.

I built it up in my head. Not your fault.

The only one of those that's impressive to me is giving JPV a good fight. Lady Vic being a struggle for Arsenal isn't a big deal. You don't think Dinah could beat Jason Todd?

@Pokeysteve said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Pokeysteve said:

First thing's first, that respect thread is expertly put together and I wish they all looked like that rather than a bunch of pointless pictures.

His respect thread though had no impressive showings. There was nothing there I don't believe she couldn't do with the same gear. You have the Shrike fight in that thread. The way you talked about it I though he beat the crap out of her. He got a chain around her neck and chucked it in gears. He never touches her. People put her on Batman's level because of ONE statement by Oracle and everyone started quoting it as fact. I'm sure with out his gear she could hold him for a bit but would obviously lose. The problem with her is when someone does come up with impressive stuff, you always have that guy who starts whining about how Simone wrote and it's this or that or blah blah. Most of her really impressive stuff is in BOP so if you've read them than I don't really have anything new for you.

I think that statement was from Huntress, though I might be remembering it wrong and it could have come from Oracle I guess.

I said he nearly killed her, he did.

I don't know what you mean by no impressive showings. He defeated KGBeast, who's given Batman two very hard fights without losing either one, he's defeated Lady Vic and Brutale at the same time (Lady Vic alone was a struggle for Arsenal), he gave JPV a very good fight, he defeated Jason Todd. Dinah is good, but I wouldn't say she's good enough to do any of that apart from perhaps the Lady Vic/Brutale fight. His four or five showings against Deathstroke are better than her four or five showings against Deathstroke since she's been dominated by Slade in most of them (all of them? I need to refresh my memory).

I'd put money on Oracle but it doesn't matter.

I built it up in my head. Not your fault.

The only one of those that's impressive to me is giving JPV a good fight. Lady Vic being a struggle for Arsenal isn't a big deal. You don't think Dinah could beat Jason Todd?

I checked, it was Oracle.

I think the KGBeast thing was impressive too. Dick took an electric shock at close range, fear gas that was disorienting him and was blinded to boot when he defeated Jason. I don't think Dinah could replicate that feat under those conditions, but she could beat him in a random encounter.

@Gambler said:

@CitizenBane: Yeah but I dont count to much on who Dick's beaten. That can get iffy. One issue he cant touch Cass (while in another Canary takes her down briefly using moves Shiva taught her) and then you have him in another one shotting Cass. I dont know who would win between Canary and Dick but I think she has feats that show her to be every bit the martial artist he is.

But one has to remember that this was Canary before Infinite Crisis. I didn't get to actually read most of her post-infinite Crisis stuff, but that was apparently when she got her power boost which puts her on this high level of skill. Her post-One Year later feats are where I gathered she was supposedly on this "Top" level, because before I'd have to incline myself to agree that she'd be Nightwing level at best.

They can clear it but with big trouble in the last round.

They can clear, honestly.

All cleared.

They clear and hadn't Dinah out boxed Bruce before albeit a statement oracle said she could beat Bruce if she went all out

THEY CLEAR IT

Round 1- Huntress and Catwoman.- Good brawlers. I also think Helena is stronger than Cass or Dinah (plus has her staff and crossbow) and Selina is way more agile (being her in the same level as Harley and Grayson), but Cass and Dinah have more skill and are faster (being both Cass and Dinah able of taking down Helena and Selina by theirself).

Round 2- Cyclops (hand to hand combat only) and Mockingbird.- Both Scott and Bobbi are stronger than BC and Cass, but their skill is nowhere near to Dinah's or Cass's. They take this effortlessly. And even if Cyclops uses his powers, it won't be enough since Canary can use her scream.

Round 3- Ravager and Tim Drake.- Getting good fights. Tim trains with Cass, he knows weaknesses of Cass, and Ravager has a rivalry with Cass, she's ready for her, but the thing here is that not even Ravager is as skilled as Cass, and Tim is a kind of a pupil for her, so she can take them both down, and Canary could help too.

Round 4- Green Arrow and Hawkeye.- H2H wise, girls take it effortlessly due to obvious reasons. Now if powers and gear are allowed, Canary stomps.

Round 5- Elektra and Black Widow.- A challenge. Elektra and Black Widow are really good and very experienced assassins, but when killing is required, Cass has the edge. While Canary is taking Widow down effortlessly (Nat is good, but not that good), Cass is killing Elektra, and if Elektra decides to use her powers with Cass, bad luck for her, she'll get creamed.

Round 6- Batman and Nightwing.- HARD, but Canary and Cass can take it if they're lucky: Bruce and Dick make a good team, and they by theirself are very skilled combatants, but Canary surpasses Dick and is on pair with Bats, while Cass surpasses both of them. H2H wise, girls take it, but if gear and powers are allowed, Canary creams them.

They aren't clearing that last round that I know

Clear.

Stop at last round