Black Bolt with Adamantium armor vs Thor
Battle on a dead planet.
No removing from the battlefield.
Morals on for both.
Thor with Mjolnir, nothing else.
VS
Wouldn't this be an easy win for Thor seeing as he's the God of Thunder and Blackbolt is wearing a bunch of metal...?
Adamantium is tough metal, you know.Unless it doesn't conduct electricity than it doesn't matter how tough it is. BB just walked out onto the field in a coffin...
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Adamantium is tough metal, you know.Unless it doesn't conduct electricity than it doesn't matter how tough it is. BB just walked out onto the field in a coffin...
@Evil Incarnate said:Clearly Thor is talking about striking the adamantium physically with his hammer. I'm talking about him using his lightning on a guy wearing a bunch of metal...@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Adamantium is tough metal, you know.Unless it doesn't conduct electricity than it doesn't matter how tough it is. BB just walked out onto the field in a coffin...
So why exactly can't Thor:
Remove the armor?
Transmute the armor?
Etc?
He packs a magic hammer he can use to toss Black Bolt into a nearby star and melt the damn thing.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:How did you point that out ? He says "proven ineffective" which could mean not only blows. He shoots lightnings from Mjolnir after all.@Evil Incarnate said:Clearly Thor is talking about striking the adamantium physically with his hammer. I'm talking about him using his lightning on a guy wearing a bunch of metal...@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Adamantium is tough metal, you know.Unless it doesn't conduct electricity than it doesn't matter how tough it is. BB just walked out onto the field in a coffin...
So why exactly can't Thor: Remove the armor? Transmute the armor? Etc? He packs a magic hammer he can use to toss Black Bolt into a nearby star and melt the damn thing.And BB will stay and watch how Thor takes the armor from him. Indeed.
Not sure about transmutation thing, not that it wouldn't work, Thor doesn't do that kind of things too often.
And the last thing would count as removal, though.
Adamantium has been effected by magic before IIRC. While it's virtually indestructible it's not totally indestructible. Either way destroying it is a moot point. The fact is BB is wearing a bunch of metal. All Thor has to do is hit him with lightning and fry him. Whether the suit is destroyed or not is irrelevant as BB will be cooked inside of it regardless.@Evil Incarnate said:
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:How did you point that out ? He says "proven ineffective" which could mean not only blows. He shoots lightnings from Mjolnir after all.@Evil Incarnate said:Clearly Thor is talking about striking the adamantium physically with his hammer. I'm talking about him using his lightning on a guy wearing a bunch of metal...@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Adamantium is tough metal, you know.Unless it doesn't conduct electricity than it doesn't matter how tough it is. BB just walked out onto the field in a coffin...
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Could you give an example of it being affected by magic ?@Evil Incarnate said:Adamantium has been effected by magic before IIRC. While it's virtually indestructible it's not totally indestructible. Either way destroying it is a moot point. The fact is BB is wearing a bunch of meta. All Thor has to do is hit him with lightning and fry him. Whether the suit is destroyed or not is irrelevant as BB will be cooked inside of it regardless.@TheUltimateSurvivor said:How did you point that out ? He says "proven ineffective" which could mean not only blows. He shoots lightnings from Mjolnir after all.@Evil Incarnate said:Clearly Thor is talking about striking the adamantium physically with his hammer. I'm talking about him using his lightning on a guy wearing a bunch of metal...@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Adamantium is tough metal, you know.Unless it doesn't conduct electricity than it doesn't matter how tough it is. BB just walked out onto the field in a coffin...
If it conducts electricity, then yes.
@isaac_clarke said:Hasn't BB been able to transmute matter and energy? Even if Thor could take the armor off, which I doubt, he'd just undo it. BB's capable of re-arranging the molecular structure of things on an relatively impressive scale. What's stopping him from messing with Mjonir molecular structure?So why exactly can't Thor: Remove the armor? Transmute the armor? Etc? He packs a magic hammer he can use to toss Black Bolt into a nearby star and melt the damn thing.And BB will stay and watch how Thor takes the armor from him. Indeed.
Not sure about transmutation thing, not that it wouldn't work, Thor doesn't do that kind of things too often.
And the last thing would count as removal, though.
IIRC Sym used it to break one of Wolverine's claws.
It's man made metal so I wouldn't see why not. Unless you have any instances in which it hasn't.
@isaac_clarke said:He doesn't have to stay and watch, Thor is strong enough to hold him down while doing this, not to mention fast enough to do it as well.So why exactly can't Thor: Remove the armor? Transmute the armor? Etc? He packs a magic hammer he can use to toss Black Bolt into a nearby star and melt the damn thing.And BB will stay and watch how Thor takes the armor from him. Indeed.
Not sure about transmutation thing, not that it wouldn't work, Thor doesn't do that kind of things too often.
And the last thing would count as removal, though.
If Thor finds himself completely unable to get rid of the armor through physical means, he shouldn't have a problem with quick matter manipulation.
Then he could open a portal to the sun and just let the heat come out from it till Black Bolt is either immobolized in melted Adamantium armor or it's gone.
@TheUltimateSurvivor: IIRC Sym used it to break one of Wolverine's claws. It's man made metal so I wouldn't see why not. Unless you have any instances in which it hasn't.Aside from Thor's example, no.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:The question is : Is Thor durable enough to withstand Black Bolt's voice ?@isaac_clarke said:He doesn't have to stay and watch, Thor is strong enough to hold him down while doing this, not to mention fast enough to do it as well.If Thor finds himself completely unable to get rid of the armor through physical means, he shouldn't have a problem with quick matter manipulation. Then he could open a portal to the sun and just let the heat come out from it till Black Bolt is either immobolized in melted Adamantium armor or it's gone.So why exactly can't Thor: Remove the armor? Transmute the armor? Etc? He packs a magic hammer he can use to toss Black Bolt into a nearby star and melt the damn thing.And BB will stay and watch how Thor takes the armor from him. Indeed.
Not sure about transmutation thing, not that it wouldn't work, Thor doesn't do that kind of things too often.
And the last thing would count as removal, though.
And with the sun thing - has Thor ever done that ? In this battle morals on, so... hardly see that coming.
@Evil Incarnate said:We can agree that example is inconclusive seeing as it wasn't clear as to whether Thor was talking about physically hitting or using magic on it.@TheUltimateSurvivor: IIRC Sym used it to break one of Wolverine's claws. It's man made metal so I wouldn't see why not. Unless you have any instances in which it hasn't.Aside from Thor's example, no.
Thor can defeat Black Bolt without his hammer. He struck Juggernaut in the head and his helmet easily tore apart from one strike (Juggernauts armor is as durable as true adamantium).His helmet is bullshit, even his bio states his helmet is not as durable as his body armor.
I've never seen Black Bolt create adamantium with matter manipulation, much-less true adamantium.
Hasn't BB been able to transmute matter and energy? Even if Thor could take the armor off, which I doubt, he'd just undo it. BB's capable of re-arranging the molecular structure of things on an relatively impressive scale. What's stopping him from messing with Mjonir molecular structure?
How can Black Bolt undo having his armor removed by force? Thor's just going to sit there and let him get re-dressed?
Because Mjolnir is an Odin Enchanted Uru hammer that the Twilight Sword, something that was reality warping the nine realms in Hela's image couldn't even scratch.
Thats why she brought Bor back from the dead for him to cancel Thor's connection with Mjolnir killing him. If Black Bolt's matter manipulation > Hela's warping of Asgard(and by Asgard I meant the realms) (and Thor's single moment of completely undoing her damage with said sword in a moment) then maybe we have an argument here.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:BB has eradicated massive solar flares and opened up black holes. Don't think the sun would be a problem. Besides what's stopping him from kicking and screaming (the full extent of which is theoretically astounding) while Thor restrains him?@isaac_clarke said:He doesn't have to stay and watch, Thor is strong enough to hold him down while doing this, not to mention fast enough to do it as well.If Thor finds himself completely unable to get rid of the armor through physical means, he shouldn't have a problem with quick matter manipulation. Then he could open a portal to the sun and just let the heat come out from it till Black Bolt is either immobolized in melted Adamantium armor or it's gone.So why exactly can't Thor: Remove the armor? Transmute the armor? Etc? He packs a magic hammer he can use to toss Black Bolt into a nearby star and melt the damn thing.And BB will stay and watch how Thor takes the armor from him. Indeed.
Not sure about transmutation thing, not that it wouldn't work, Thor doesn't do that kind of things too often.
And the last thing would count as removal, though.
@TheUltimateSurvivor: Juggernaut still felt the hit despite Thor striking him at the body armor. Yes, Thor can take Black Bolts voice. He has taken far worse.What instance are you talking about ? Thor couldn't even flinch Juggernaut with his hammer, unless you're talking about B/S in #429.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Agree.@Evil Incarnate said:We can agree that example is inconclusive seeing as it wasn't clear as to whether Thor was talking about physically hitting or using magic on it.@TheUltimateSurvivor: IIRC Sym used it to break one of Wolverine's claws. It's man made metal so I wouldn't see why not. Unless you have any instances in which it hasn't.Aside from Thor's example, no.
"BB has eradicated massive solar flares and opened up black holes. Don't think the sun would be a problem. Besides what's stopping him from kicking and screaming (the full extent of which is theoretically astounding) while Thor restrains him?So what does eradicating "massive" solar flares and opening black holes going to prevent said heat from melting down said armor around him?
Don't suppose we have feats of him kicking and screaming to his hearts content for a showing of that power? I'm not big on guess work on his full destructive power.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:
"The question is : Is Thor durable enough to withstand Black Bolt's voice ?Easily.
And with the sun thing - has Thor ever done that ? In this battle morals on, so... hardly see that coming.
As far as I know, no, but Thor generally never has some outside entity preventing him from leaving the planet with his opponent in tow.
Remains creative enough to use said portals in such a fashion, since he is big on opening portals place to place and already knows True Adamantium is a pain in the rear to get through with physical strikes.
@Evil Incarnate said:Cool. Then I'm going to have to stick with my original argument of BB being a giant lightning rod. =)@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Agree.@Evil Incarnate said:We can agree that example is inconclusive seeing as it wasn't clear as to whether Thor was talking about physically hitting or using magic on it.@TheUltimateSurvivor: IIRC Sym used it to break one of Wolverine's claws. It's man made metal so I wouldn't see why not. Unless you have any instances in which it hasn't.Aside from Thor's example, no.
And in Thor #17 where Juggernaut didn't even have the forcefield he couldn't even scratch that armor.@TheUltimateSurvivor: Juggernaut had his forcefield up. Once Thor negated the forcefield, he was beating down Juggernaut with his fists. Armor or not, Black bolt can't win.
Again, you have an evidence which proves Thor will be unaffected by Black Bolt's voice ?
@Wise Son said:Not create but re-arrange it. Repairing the armor in essence. He's been show to transmute elements and making things out of thin air. I think he's capable of doing a little matter manipulating himself.I've never seen Black Bolt create adamantium with matter manipulation, much-less true adamantium.
Hasn't BB been able to transmute matter and energy? Even if Thor could take the armor off, which I doubt, he'd just undo it. BB's capable of re-arranging the molecular structure of things on an relatively impressive scale. What's stopping him from messing with Mjonir molecular structure?
How can Black Bolt undo having his armor removed by force? Thor's just going to sit there and let him get re-dressed?
Because Mjolnir is an Odin Enchanted Uru hammer that the Twilight Sword, something that was reality warping the nine realms in Hela's image couldn't even scratch.
Thats why she brought Bor back from the dead for him to cancel Thor's connection with Mjolnir killing him. If Black Bolt's matter manipulation > Hela's warping of Asgard (and Thor's single moment of completely undoing her damage with said sword in a moment) then maybe we have an argument here.
Again, what's Thor's defense against BB's scream and master blow that KO'd the Hulk?
I'll give you that. I don't know the extent of his matter manipulation but it's unlikely he could just turn it into snowflakes or something. Well, wasn't Hela just one upped by Darwin? I'll admit I'm not that up on Thor lore, not that fond of the character but I know enough. BB's scream is theoretically infinite. I mean it destroyed the Sentry and Doctor Strange at full power on a parallel earth. What's Thor's defense against that?
@Susanoo said:Post Black Bolt's full destructive power with his voice and I'll see about grabbing some feats that say he can tank it.@TheUltimateSurvivor: Juggernaut had his forcefield up. Once Thor negated the forcefield, he was beating down Juggernaut with his fists. Armor or not, Black bolt can't win.And in Thor #17 where Juggernaut didn't even have the forcefield he couldn't even scratch that armor.
Again, you have an evidence which Thor will be unaffected by Black Bolt's voice ?
@Susanoo said:And in Thor #17 where Juggernaut didn't even have the forcefield he couldn't even scratch that armor.
@TheUltimateSurvivor: Juggernaut had his forcefield up. Once Thor negated the forcefield, he was beating down Juggernaut with his fists. Armor or not, Black bolt can't win.
Again, you have an evidence which proves Thor will be unaffected by Black Bolt's voice ?
Thor has tanked worse (Shots from skyfathers and abstracts).
Black Bolt would be ranked on Magnetos level. Thor's above this level.
I I think opening the portal and letting the sun's rays melt Adamantium is not going to work, since I am pretty sure once Adamantium is harden it can never be melted back to liquid form, or at least that is what I have heard unless someone else has a scan to prove otherwise. Because I am pretty sure I have seen Human Torch fight Wolverine and have gone supernova on him and it did nothing to his claws. Other than that I think Thor can take the win in a very tough fight form BB.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Thor also bled from less.Thor has tanked worse (Shots from skyfathers and abstracts). Black Bolt would be ranked on Magnetos level. Thor's above this level.
@Susanoo said:And in Thor #17 where Juggernaut didn't even have the forcefield he couldn't even scratch that armor.
@TheUltimateSurvivor: Juggernaut had his forcefield up. Once Thor negated the forcefield, he was beating down Juggernaut with his fists. Armor or not, Black bolt can't win.
Again, you have an evidence which proves Thor will be unaffected by Black Bolt's voice ?
@Susanoo said:Thor also bled from less.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Thor has tanked worse (Shots from skyfathers and abstracts). Black Bolt would be ranked on Magnetos level. Thor's above this level.
@Susanoo said:And in Thor #17 where Juggernaut didn't even have the forcefield he couldn't even scratch that armor.
@TheUltimateSurvivor: Juggernaut had his forcefield up. Once Thor negated the forcefield, he was beating down Juggernaut with his fists. Armor or not, Black bolt can't win.
Again, you have an evidence which proves Thor will be unaffected by Black Bolt's voice ?
In Seige only. Here's what happened recently:
A showing that proves he can do anything remotely close to that would help."Not create but re-arrange it. Repairing the armor in essence. He's been show to transmute elements and making things out of thin air. I think he's capable of doing a little matter manipulating himself. "
Well for one thing, he is much more durable than the Hulk. Thats why when the Hulk and Sentry duke it out, he literally reverts to Bruce, while Thor dukes it out with a Sentry that got progressively stronger as the fight went on, kills him and walks out of the fight in remarkably good fashion."Again, what's Thor's defense against BB's scream and master blow that KO'd the Hulk? "
And if I recall the Sentry > Black Bolt.
Hela only had the Twilight Sword for Avengers Prime."I'll give you that. I don't know the extent of his matter manipulation but it's unlikely he could just turn it into snowflakes or something. Well, wasn't Hela just one upped by Darwin?"
Avengers Prime takes place immediately after Siege, Thor, Iron Man and Steve Rogers are transported to the twisted versions of the nine realms."I'll admit I'm not that up on Thor lore, not that fond of the character but I know enough."
Hela had found the twilight sword and made herself incredibly powerful by doing so, Thor was able to trade a few blows before being overwhelmed by minions and slashed across the back by said sword, nearly killed him. He has a rematch, gets help from the enchantress and got the sword away from Hela and undoes her little moment of godhood in a moment with it.
The Twilight Sword itself, is a mystical weapon forged by Surtur through the destruction of a galaxy, which gives said user a considerable amount of power. Thor after immediately undoing her damage with it gave it to Heimdall for safe keeping.
Different reality's Sentry and said Black Bolt was possibly a Skrull, not canon for the original guy. Heck in that reality the Hulk got put down by an explosion."BB's scream is theoretically infinite. I mean it destroyed the Sentry and Doctor Strange at full power on a parallel earth. What's Thor's defense against that?"
Depends, Thor has a slew of absurd durability feats, hell in Mighty Thor 3 he's going to head-butt the Surfer and actually dent his indestructible skin skull.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Not only in Siege.
@Susanoo said:Thor also bled from less.
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:Thor has tanked worse (Shots from skyfathers and abstracts). Black Bolt would be ranked on Magnetos level. Thor's above this level.
@Susanoo said:And in Thor #17 where Juggernaut didn't even have the forcefield he couldn't even scratch that armor.
@TheUltimateSurvivor: Juggernaut had his forcefield up. Once Thor negated the forcefield, he was beating down Juggernaut with his fists. Armor or not, Black bolt can't win.
Again, you have an evidence which proves Thor will be unaffected by Black Bolt's voice ?
In Seige only. Here's what happened recently:
"In Seige only. Here's what happened recently:What will happen, as far as I know Mighty Thor # 3 won't be out for a while.
And yes this will be a crazy good feat for Thor in striking power of his head and durability.
@Wise Son said:A showing that proves he can do anything remotely close to that would help."Not create but re-arrange it. Repairing the armor in essence. He's been show to transmute elements and making things out of thin air. I think he's capable of doing a little matter manipulating himself. "
Well for one thing, he is much more durable than the Hulk. Thats why when the Hulk and Sentry duke it out, he literally reverts to Bruce, while Thor dukes it out with a Sentry that got progressively stronger as the fight went on, kills him and walks out of the fight in remarkably good fashion."Again, what's Thor's defense against BB's scream and master blow that KO'd the Hulk? "
And if I recall the Sentry > Black Bolt.Hela only had the Twilight Sword for Avengers Prime."I'll give you that. I don't know the extent of his matter manipulation but it's unlikely he could just turn it into snowflakes or something. Well, wasn't Hela just one upped by Darwin?"
Avengers Prime takes place immediately after Siege, Thor, Iron Man and Steve Rogers are transported to the twisted versions of the nine realms."I'll admit I'm not that up on Thor lore, not that fond of the character but I know enough."
Hela had found the twilight sword and made herself incredibly powerful by doing so, Thor was able to trade a few blows before being overwhelmed by minions and slashed across the back by said sword, nearly killed him. He has a rematch, gets help from the enchantress and got the sword away from Hela and undoes her little moment of godhood in a moment with it.
The Twilight Sword itself, is a mystical weapon forged by Surtur through the destruction of a galaxy, which gives said user a considerable amount of power. Thor after immediately undoing her damage with it gave it to Heimdall for safe keeping.Different reality's Sentry and said Black Bolt was possibly a Skrull, not canon for the original guy. Heck in that reality the Hulk got put down by an explosion. Depends, Thor has a slew of absurd durability feats, hell in Mighty Thor 3 he's going to head-butt the Surfer and actually dent his indestructible skin skull."BB's scream is theoretically infinite. I mean it destroyed the Sentry and Doctor Strange at full power on a parallel earth. What's Thor's defense against that?"
blackbolt would say something and blast off a chunk of rock the size of rhode island. then thor can then gain alot of distance with this
and when thor has his distance, he blasts away his lightning or charges up a godblast
@venomoushatred1001 said:Read my original post.Thor via BFR
Thor still wins
I was hoping someone would post this (and I hope I did this right...) Ed. - I grabbed it from the BB vs Vulcan thread I saw yesterday...
This is the best on panel representation of Black Bolt's scream potential I have seen, but I think that even here it wasnt at full strength because his throat was in the grasp of Vulcan when he screamed. A full on, non impaired scream should be even more devastating than this...?
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