" my point is if he wasn't distracted by all those others he could have resisted, since it clearly takes concentration to resist it. "OK.
Black Adam vs Martian Manhunter
"@the human Juggernaut said:which is exactly what did not happen if you actually read the scan. "I'll direct you attention to my last posting, commenting on the image Static posted. "
great. You've demonstrated that MM can put images in black adam's head that managed to annoy him after he was attacked by a massive group of powerful people.
"@the creator said:"@the human Juggernaut said:great. You've demonstrated that MM can put images in black adam's head that managed to annoy him after he was attacked by a massive group of powerful people. "which is exactly what did not happen if you actually read the scan. "I'll direct you attention to my last posting, commenting on the image Static posted. "
Downplay it usual.
Its a successful telepathic attack.
Damn, does that foil his immunity to MM's telepathy......
"@the human Juggernaut said:"@the creator said:Downplay it usual. Its a successful telepathic attack. Damn, does that foil his immunity to MM's telepathy...... ""@the human Juggernaut said:great. You've demonstrated that MM can put images in black adam's head that managed to annoy him after he was attacked by a massive group of powerful people. "which is exactly what did not happen if you actually read the scan. "I'll direct you attention to my last posting, commenting on the image Static posted. "
Downplay? If the circumstances posted above are completely different, then the people that haven't read the story should know that. Since the whole battle isn't posted, many might not know he was facing a huge amount of people at that time. Since the scan after that was not posted, people might also not know that all that "attack" did was make him angry. Finally, i didn't say he was immune. I said he could resist mm's telepathy, which, as MM's words indicate, is in fact the case.
@the human Juggernaut said:
"@the creator said:"@the human Juggernaut said:Downplay? If the circumstances posted above are completely different, then the people that haven't read the story should know that. Since the whole battle isn't posted, many might not know he was facing a huge amount of people at that time. Since the scan after that was not posted, people might also not know that all that "attack" did was make him angry. Finally, i didn't say he was immune. I said he could resist mm's telepathy, which, as MM's words indicate, is in fact the case. ""@the creator said:Downplay it usual. Its a successful telepathic attack. Damn, does that foil his immunity to MM's telepathy...... ""@the human Juggernaut said:great. You've demonstrated that MM can put images in black adam's head that managed to annoy him after he was attacked by a massive group of powerful people. "which is exactly what did not happen if you actually read the scan. "I'll direct you attention to my last posting, commenting on the image Static posted. "
MM still managed to use a telepathic projection / attack on BA. It still got inside his 'Mind so strong....."
The circumstances helped, sure.
However now MM can go and stay immaterial and take his time battering down or sliding past BA's "Mind so strong...." to accomplish exactly the same thing.
BA can do nothing in return.
MM can attack from an invisible / imaterial state, physically attack BA and still mainatain his telepathic attacks between these physical bouts.
"@the human Juggernaut said:
"@the creator said:"@the human Juggernaut said:Downplay? If the circumstances posted above are completely different, then the people that haven't read the story should know that. Since the whole battle isn't posted, many might not know he was facing a huge amount of people at that time. Since the scan after that was not posted, people might also not know that all that "attack" did was make him angry. Finally, i didn't say he was immune. I said he could resist mm's telepathy, which, as MM's words indicate, is in fact the case. ""@the creator said:Downplay it usual. Its a successful telepathic attack. Damn, does that foil his immunity to MM's telepathy...... ""@the human Juggernaut said:great. You've demonstrated that MM can put images in black adam's head that managed to annoy him after he was attacked by a massive group of powerful people. "which is exactly what did not happen if you actually read the scan. "I'll direct you attention to my last posting, commenting on the image Static posted. "And again, I'll say it once more. MM still managed to use a telepathic projection / attack on BA. It still got inside his 'Mind so strong....."The circumstances helped, sure. However now MM can go and stay immaterial and take his time battering down or sliding past BA's "Mind so strong...." to accomplish exactly the same thing. BA can do nothing in return. MM can attack from an invisible / imaterial state, physically attack BA and still mainatain his telepathic attacks between these physical bouts. "
yes, he used one while black adam was busy fighting many others. I'll also say once that without the distraction of all those others, he will be able to resist because he will be able to concentrate. As the scan demonstrates, MM couldn't really do much when he said "mind so strong...", so he's not going to be able to attack physically and do all that other stuff at once as you said.
"@the creator said:"yes, he used one while black adam was busy fighting many others. I'll also say once that without the distraction of all those others, he will be able to resist because he will be able to concentrate. As the scan demonstrates, MM couldn't really do much when he said "mind so strong...", so he's not going to be able to attack physically and do all that other stuff at once as you said. "@the human Juggernaut said:
"@the creator said:"@the human Juggernaut said:Downplay? If the circumstances posted above are completely different, then the people that haven't read the story should know that. Since the whole battle isn't posted, many might not know he was facing a huge amount of people at that time. Since the scan after that was not posted, people might also not know that all that "attack" did was make him angry. Finally, i didn't say he was immune. I said he could resist mm's telepathy, which, as MM's words indicate, is in fact the case. ""@the creator said:Downplay it usual. Its a successful telepathic attack. Damn, does that foil his immunity to MM's telepathy...... ""@the human Juggernaut said:great. You've demonstrated that MM can put images in black adam's head that managed to annoy him after he was attacked by a massive group of powerful people. "which is exactly what did not happen if you actually read the scan. "I'll direct you attention to my last posting, commenting on the image Static posted. "And again, I'll say it once more. MM still managed to use a telepathic projection / attack on BA. It still got inside his 'Mind so strong....."The circumstances helped, sure. However now MM can go and stay immaterial and take his time battering down or sliding past BA's "Mind so strong...." to accomplish exactly the same thing. BA can do nothing in return. MM can attack from an invisible / imaterial state, physically attack BA and still mainatain his telepathic attacks between these physical bouts. "
Try reading what I said again....not all at the same time but in bouts.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
"@the human Juggernaut said:"@the creator said:Try reading what I said again....not all at the same time but in bouts. You have your opinion, I have mine. ""yes, he used one while black adam was busy fighting many others. I'll also say once that without the distraction of all those others, he will be able to resist because he will be able to concentrate. As the scan demonstrates, MM couldn't really do much when he said "mind so strong...", so he's not going to be able to attack physically and do all that other stuff at once as you said. "@the human Juggernaut said:
"@the creator said:"@the human Juggernaut said:Downplay? If the circumstances posted above are completely different, then the people that haven't read the story should know that. Since the whole battle isn't posted, many might not know he was facing a huge amount of people at that time. Since the scan after that was not posted, people might also not know that all that "attack" did was make him angry. Finally, i didn't say he was immune. I said he could resist mm's telepathy, which, as MM's words indicate, is in fact the case. ""@the creator said:Downplay it usual. Its a successful telepathic attack. Damn, does that foil his immunity to MM's telepathy...... ""@the human Juggernaut said:great. You've demonstrated that MM can put images in black adam's head that managed to annoy him after he was attacked by a massive group of powerful people. "which is exactly what did not happen if you actually read the scan. "I'll direct you attention to my last posting, commenting on the image Static posted. "And again, I'll say it once more. MM still managed to use a telepathic projection / attack on BA. It still got inside his 'Mind so strong....."The circumstances helped, sure. However now MM can go and stay immaterial and take his time battering down or sliding past BA's "Mind so strong...." to accomplish exactly the same thing. BA can do nothing in return. MM can attack from an invisible / imaterial state, physically attack BA and still mainatain his telepathic attacks between these physical bouts. "
attacking him physically would be a bad idea as MM is no match for him in that regard. Attacking him mentally would just cause it to be resisted. Just sitting there intangible would do nothing.
"i like how people post scans of that battle when arguing how manhunter would win
Black Adam. "
"I like how Green Arrow is trying to hit Black Adam with arrows during that fight. "This.
" I like how Green Arrow is trying to hit Black Adam with arrows during that fight. "Ya that is great
" I like how Green Arrow is trying to hit Black Adam with arrows during that fight. "if he had arrows tipped with shards of the rock of eternity, that might actually work
No, it means that the Loeb-Force is alive and well. That scan is from the Power arc in Supergirl's solo series in which she beats the whole JLA only to have trouble with Wonder Woman and Superman individually. She steals John Stewart's Ring before he can react and then humiliates him with it by creating an energy construct of a fist to KO him. She beats Hawkman and Black Canary after this, and when Flash attacks her, she speeds off. As Wally follows her, he somehow becomes too stupid to realize he needs to breathe and chases her to the outside of the moon where he is incapacitated without air. He also forgets that he has ran on the moon before and done so fast enough that he could return to the watchtower for air without any problems. Then the Martian shows up, and Kara just chokes him out with one arm, even though other powerhouses like Despero have failed to manhandle him with such ease before. What became even worse is when the entire JLA moved outside the watchtower to challenge Supergirl, and despite Flash nearly suffocating from lack of oxygen, they were all fine with no air...... That is sad. Does this mean Manhunter's inconsistent? Because one moment, he's mindraping Spectre and the next, he get's humiliated by Supergirl and Adam. "
According to this arc, Superman>>>>>>>>>>>Supergirl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JLA.
Clearly it was tremendous writing.....
Might help if he wasnt so overloaded with superpowers, as it is theres seemingly nothing he cant do which makes the death of all the other martians look incredibly wierd.
"@Susanoo said:No, it means that the Loeb-Force is alive and well. That scan is from the Power arc in Supergirl's solo series in which she beats the whole JLA only to have trouble with Wonder Woman and Superman individually. She steals John Stewart's Ring before he can react and then humiliates him with it by creating an energy construct of a fist to KO him. She beats Hawkman and Black Canary after this, and when Flash attacks her, she speeds off. As Wally follows her, he somehow becomes too stupid to realize he needs to breathe and chases her to the outside of the moon where he is incapacitated without air. He also forgets that he has ran on the moon before and done so fast enough that he could return to the watchtower for air without any problems. Then the Martian shows up, and Kara just chokes him out with one arm, even though other powerhouses like Despero have failed to manhandle him with such ease before. What became even worse is when the entire JLA moved outside the watchtower to challenge Supergirl, and despite Flash nearly suffocating from lack of oxygen, they were all fine with no air. According to this arc, Superman>>>>>>>>>>>Supergirl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JLA.Clearly it was tremendous writing..... "..... That is sad. Does this mean Manhunter's inconsistent? Because one moment, he's mindraping Spectre and the next, he get's humiliated by Supergirl and Adam. "
Beautiful explanation.
@Susanoo: That Supergirl comic was written by Loeb,she owned Flash and GL but was scared of Bat's.Why is Manhunter such a jobber?
A fight like this is really hard to say who takes the win. Black Adam and Martian Manhunter are both incredibly powerful. In WW3 Martian couldn't control BA's mind for that much, and both believed that they can beat each other. Black Adam is highly durable he can take as an extreme threshold of damage and without a doubt he can deliver a great amount of damage too. Martian Manhunter though has a lot of perks, intangibility and the fact that he can vanish (invisibility) and popping up behind BA's back will give him a lot of advantage. In WW3 Black Adam quite frankly resisted MM telepathic control with ease and he fought him after going trough waves of other super powered beings and STILL was able to knock him down ( even though MM got back up). Now even though BA resisted his telepathic powers with ease doesn't mean they can't work on him, they distorted BA enough for Alan Scott to get a good hand on him, so in a fight between the two it might be useful to a minor extent, distorting him for a few minutes can be a lot in a fight like this. Then again, Black Adam clearly broke out of it, and he kept fighting, his magic would be of great use in this fight and as such it would help him give MM and great beating BUT not completely to defeat him. MM's powers can easily be used to dodge most of BA's attack, so i'd say after a really bloody fight for both MM would eventually come out on top. Yet another scenerio would be were Black Adam wins, pulling off a great attack from any way he can will surely hurt MM and that would distort him too, and Black Adam is more than quick enough to elaborate on that and keep on putting a beat down till MM gets too woozy to use his powers properly or even use them, thus enabling Black Adam to finish him off. So in a way this fight would always depend on the slightest detail, for it can go either way really easily, in my fair opinion.
J'onn
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