Fight takes place in New York City. Start off 3 blocks far away. No Prep. No Morals. Death for the win. Versions are WWIII BA and AOA Iceman. PIS is not on. Who's winning?
Black Adam Vs Iceman
Agree. Iceman shouldn't be able to drain BA from his water molecules, while BA can't really kill Iceman in any way.Stalemate.
for someone who can survive un aided in the vacum of space please explain how ICEMAN CAN EFFECT BA please?
They can't kill each other. Iceman will always reform, Black Adam will be immune to water-drainning.@czarny_samael666: What the hell you all talking about iceman stalemate what the hell ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@czarny_samael666:
what the hell u talking about iceman cannot die if i remember correctly he was in a fight an got hurt bad an beast said he had to heal or he would die so what the hell u talking about ??? an how do u know that power of shazam would not kill him is iceman so powerful he can stop a god attack hell no if simple nimrod almost killed him what u think black adam would do to him
@tensor said:
@czarny_samael666:
what the hell u talking about iceman cannot die if i remember correctly he was in a fight an got hurt bad an beast said he had to heal or he would die so what the hell u talking about ??? an how do u know that power of shazam would not kill him is iceman so powerful he can stop a god attack hell no if simple nimrod almost killed him what u think black adam would do to him
Current Iceman is made completely out of ice, making it near impossible to kill him.
@tensor: sure you can melt iceman but he can just reform and even then its difficult to melt him because of his cryokineses, Even if you try to melt him he can control his own temperature to prevent it. If this were a regular battle itd be BA stomp but with the conditions of to the death there is no way for BA to really kill iceman and Iceman doesnt have the firepower to compete with BA so its a stalemate.
@mextli said:
@tensor: sure you can melt iceman but he can just reform and even then its difficult to melt him because of his cryokineses, Even if you try to melt him he can control his own temperature to prevent it. If this were a regular battle itd be BA stomp but with the conditions of to the death there is no way for BA to really kill iceman and Iceman doesnt have the firepower to compete with BA so its a stalemate.
Iceman feels pain when his ice form is damaged, it's possible to KO him that way.
@CitizenBane said:
@mextli said:
@tensor: sure you can melt iceman but he can just reform and even then its difficult to melt him because of his cryokineses, Even if you try to melt him he can control his own temperature to prevent it. If this were a regular battle itd be BA stomp but with the conditions of to the death there is no way for BA to really kill iceman and Iceman doesnt have the firepower to compete with BA so its a stalemate.
Iceman feels pain when his ice form is damaged, it's possible to KO him that way.
well like i said if its a regular battle then BA stomps, but this battle is to the death so yeah BA can KO iceman but I dont think he can kill him.
@ tensor:
1. could be chalked up to dramatic writing; the writer wanted some dramatic tension so he downplayed icemans abilities. I could be wrong tho id have to look back at the example.
2. there is nothing to indicate that the magical nature of BA's attacks will affect icemans own abilities. Can you provide me of any instance where BA magical attacks have negated or affected someones inherent abilities? I dont know BA other than what ive read about him so i am open to being proven wrong.
@tensor: No its not impossible but extremely difficult and I dont think BA has the ability to actually put down bobby permanently is all especially via melting (which is what i specifically answered about). Galactus could deff kill bobby but he has much more power and a wider variety of ways to use it. He could transmute bobby, he could wipe him from existence, etc. and you didnt answer me back on number 2.
I have to say stalemate on this one. BA doesn't have any confirmed way to kill Drake, and Drake doesn't have the feats to take out someone like BA.
KO is not the same thing as death though. I'm not so sure BA can KO him either. Drake has taken on the Hulk in the desert and has still been able to reform quite quickly.@mextli said:
@tensor: sure you can melt iceman but he can just reform and even then its difficult to melt him because of his cryokineses, Even if you try to melt him he can control his own temperature to prevent it. If this were a regular battle itd be BA stomp but with the conditions of to the death there is no way for BA to really kill iceman and Iceman doesnt have the firepower to compete with BA so its a stalemate.
Iceman feels pain when his ice form is damaged, it's possible to KO him that way.
LOL.Ice man Loses Again This is Magic so anything is possible.
@tensor said:
@czarny_samael666:
what the hell u talking about iceman cannot die if i remember correctly he was in a fight an got hurt bad an beast said he had to heal or he would die so what the hell u talking about ??? an how do u know that power of shazam would not kill him is iceman so powerful he can stop a god attack hell no if simple nimrod almost killed him what u think black adam would do to him
Beast was wrong, this was pure PIS. Iceman's whole body was destroyed in the past and he recovered from water molecules in the air.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:How he will kill him?Adam wins.
How will Iceman kill Adam?
He won't and that is the point of my answer (stalemate).@czarny_samael666 said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:How he will kill him?Adam wins.
How will Iceman kill Adam?
@czarny_samael666: With Adam's magic, he can potentially fry Iceman if Bobby possesses no knowledge on Adam.
That is an assumption on your part. Adam has no way to kill Bobby that can be backed up with concrete evidence.@czarny_samael666: With Adam's magic, he can potentially fry Iceman if Bobby possesses no knowledge on Adam.
And then Iceman reforms from any watter supply, for example from water in the air.@czarny_samael666: With Adam's magic, he can potentially fry Iceman if Bobby possesses no knowledge on Adam.
@Fluke-buddha: hulk and BA are on two different strength levels plus BA has far higher combat speed and can melt Iceman with his magical blasts which imo is enough for a KO but as has been stated by myself and several others there is nothing indicating that BA can actually kill iceman.
@Fluke-buddha said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:That is an assumption on your part. Adam has no way to kill Bobby that can be backed up with concrete evidence.@czarny_samael666: With Adam's magic, he can potentially fry Iceman if Bobby possesses no knowledge on Adam.
And vice versa. Bobby also possesses no way of killing Adam either. Adam possesses more chance of coming out of this battle as the victor however due to his magical powers.
NOTE: What I'm going to state next is pure assumption. With Adam's wisdom, he can potentially move at speeds that makes everyone still as statues and create a way to eliminate water molecules within the air or possibly within the planet.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:And then Iceman reforms from any watter supply, for example from water in the air.@czarny_samael666: With Adam's magic, he can potentially fry Iceman if Bobby possesses no knowledge on Adam.
I know what Bobby can do.
So, we agree that it is a stalemate?@czarny_samael666 said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:And then Iceman reforms from any watter supply, for example from water in the air.@czarny_samael666: With Adam's magic, he can potentially fry Iceman if Bobby possesses no knowledge on Adam.
I know what Bobby can do.
@mextli said:
@PunkMastaFlex: No one ever said bobby can kill BA, we all asserted he doesnt have the firepower to beat him but what we have said is that BA aslo hasnt displayed the firepower to kill bobby either, hence stalemate. and your hypothetical is widely implausible. I
Thor hasn't displayed nor ever shown to destroy a planet yet can he do it? His feats suggests he can. Adam has fought Jay Garrick when his speed was stolen to the point where everyone were as statues. Bobby wouldn't be given special treatment in terms of reaction speed. He'll be as still as still can be compared to Adam. What's to stop Adam from actually utilizing his wisdom to come up with a way to dispose of Bobby?
Doesn't matter if you melt Bobby, he can exist in gaseous form. This is all pointless discussion anyhow since pretty much everyone is agreeing that they can't kill each other.@Fluke-buddha: hulk and BA are on two different strength levels plus BA has far higher combat speed and can melt Iceman with his magical blasts which imo is enough for a KO but as has been stated by myself and several others there is nothing indicating that BA can actually kill iceman.
@PunkMastaFlex:
I never said Iceman could win, I don't think either could win. What I'm saying though is that just because something is magic doesn't mean we get to assume it can accomplish all sorts of things that have not been reflected by BA's past showings.
I see what your saying, but I highly doubt BA could do that. Bobby has reformed in the desert quite quickly, so if desert air still has enough water in it for him to reform in a quick manner then I doubt BA could win with that strategy. and there is absolutely no way that hes eliminating all the water vapor from a planet that is mostly water. I think BA could subdue him in a variety of ways, but not kill. Don't forget Bobby is an Omega and they can exist independent from their bodies. He'd have to destroy his mind.
1.Thor shown enough powerfull strength to do that.@mextli said:
@PunkMastaFlex: No one ever said bobby can kill BA, we all asserted he doesnt have the firepower to beat him but what we have said is that BA aslo hasnt displayed the firepower to kill bobby either, hence stalemate. and your hypothetical is widely implausible. I
Thor hasn't displayed nor ever shown to destroy a planet yet can he do it? His feats suggests he can. Adam has fought Jay Garrick when his speed was stolen to the point where everyone were as statues. Bobby wouldn't be given special treatment in terms of reaction speed. He'll be as still as still can be compared to Adam. What's to stop Adam from actually utilizing his wisdom to come up with a way to dispose of Bobby?
2.Adam was speedblitzed by Garrick, he isn't FTL. And it wasn't even said how fast Garrick wa moving.
@PunkMastaFlex said:Not to mention that wisdom isn't some magical thing that makes anything possible. There is no way BA can kill Drake, all his wisdom would do is confirm this.1.Thor shown enough powerfull strength to do that. 2.Adam was speedblitzed by Garrick, he isn't FTL. And it wasn't even said how fast Garrick wa moving.@mextli said:
@PunkMastaFlex: No one ever said bobby can kill BA, we all asserted he doesnt have the firepower to beat him but what we have said is that BA aslo hasnt displayed the firepower to kill bobby either, hence stalemate. and your hypothetical is widely implausible. I
Thor hasn't displayed nor ever shown to destroy a planet yet can he do it? His feats suggests he can. Adam has fought Jay Garrick when his speed was stolen to the point where everyone were as statues. Bobby wouldn't be given special treatment in terms of reaction speed. He'll be as still as still can be compared to Adam. What's to stop Adam from actually utilizing his wisdom to come up with a way to dispose of Bobby?
@PunkMastaFlex: Thor has displayed feats to destroy planets tho idk them all off the top of my head but ik in a fight with BRB he destroyed the planet (or at the least planetoid) they were fighting on. And adam feasts dont suggest he can kill Bobby. There is nothing BA has in his powerset that suggests he would be able to rid all of the water from the planet. How would he even attempt to do that?
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