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#1 Posted by BizzaroScarab (12 posts) - - Show Bio

No preparations, blitz allowed, takes place in a desert with several abandoned buildings. Bizzaro versus Darkseid. Who would win and why?

#2 Posted by Homer_X (1112 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid

#3 Posted by reaverlation (15687 posts) - - Show Bio

Uxas stomps

#4 Posted by Experio (15510 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid

#5 Posted by HAMMER_OF_J2 (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid ftw

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#6 Posted by comicace3 (4939 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid

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#7 Posted by NinjaWarrior268 (1376 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkstomp

#8 Posted by SheenLantern (6500 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid

#9 Posted by Parryboy (1055 posts) - - Show Bio

Jobberseid.

#10 Posted by dorukesin (5668 posts) - - Show Bio

Bizarro will run to the Bizarro World before Darkseid realizes

#11 Posted by BeaconofStrength (5269 posts) - - Show Bio

BIZZARO #1.

#12 Posted by kyrees (4941 posts) - - Show Bio

darkseid

#13 Posted by Drew_Tan (386 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a stomp. The entire J league could only bfr him to stop him. How is bizarro supposed to stop him alone?

#14 Posted by dondave (36685 posts) - - Show Bio

Uxas

#15 Posted by ssj_god (4947 posts) - - Show Bio

darkseid

#16 Posted by Mandarinestro (693 posts) - - Show Bio

Omega beams OP. Father Box OP. Darkseid stomps in a blink, literally.

#17 Edited by ilikedonuts (2199 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid wins in a curbstomp. Darkseid has outmuscled Superman b'fore, Bizarro shouldn't be no problem. Or he could reduce Bizarro to ashes with the Omega Beams, I mean they nearly killed the Anti-Monitor once, Bizarro aint nearly as durable as the Anti-Monitor.

Bizarro flies t'wards Darkseid an' yells "BIZARRO LOVES DARKSEID!!!!!!! BIZARRO NOW SMASH!!!!!!" an' Darkseid says "unlikely" an' pim* smacks Bizarro outta the way. Then Darkseid picks Bizarro up an' punches him in the gut twice an' then body slams him. Then Darkseid grabs Bizarro by the throat an' lifts him off the ground an' throws him into one of the abandoned buildin's around the battlefield, which brings the buildin' down on Bizarro. Then Bizarro flies t'wards Darkseid again, but Darkseid grabs him, knee-kicks him in the gut, uppercuts him in the chin an' then backhands him into another one of the buildin's. That buildin' falls down on Bizarro too. Then Bizarro flies t'wards Darkseid again an' Darkseid says "you possess impressive resilience, lout…but it takes more than resilience to defeat Darkseid" an' reduces Bizarro to ashes with the Omega Beams.

#18 Posted by ElmoHump (1302 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid.

#19 Posted by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

Current version of characters i would presume?

Darkseid should win handily

#20 Posted by Frozen (12930 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by Joygirl (19596 posts) - - Show Bio

Better question -- who would win in a spelling bee?

#22 Posted by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@killemall: Pre-52 Darkseid wins either way.

It would become questionable had it been pre 52, given Superman's track record against him.

New 52 is different.

#23 Edited by Frozen (12930 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall said:

@frozen said:

@killemall: Pre-52 Darkseid wins either way.

It would become questionable had it been pre 52, given Superman's track record against him.

New 52 is different.

Superman's track record has a Loeb win, but Loeb also stated in his interview for the same comic that Supergirl was more powerful than him (she isn't, but he likes to thinks so) and her punch did nothing to DS, couple in all the horrible incosistencies the guy writes.

Jurgens wrote PIS in Apokolips Now, the claim of Darkseid needing eyes to employ the Omega Effect was an insult to the history of the character, ironic because Jurgens also wrote a weakened Darkseid using the Omega Force in the HP storyline.

#24 Posted by OreoAssassin (4829 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid

#25 Posted by Thitiki (3534 posts) - - Show Bio

Current version of characters i would presume?

Darkseid should win handily

#26 Edited by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

Superman's track record has a Loeb win

Like i went though with you on the other thread, Loeb isnt the only person to have written stories where Superman won against Darkseid nor the only person who wrote Superman match Darkseid blow for blow.

You are putting too much stock on 1 writer and a statement from Batman suggesting she synthesizes solar energy better than Superman and ignoring Superman has been on Earth far longer.

Superman himself defeated Supergirl in the same story arc, so this is at best selective screening.

Berating one writer doesnt take away writings from so many different other writers, its not something i can agree with you on.

Had it been only Loeb, i would understand, thats not the case.

Jurgens wrote PIS in Apokolips Now

Calling a story PIS isnt a valid argument really, specially when the same thing has happened at least 3 times in canon, once in non canon, and at least twice Superman has perfectly matched Darkseid.

Not to mention Apokolips Now isnt written by Jurgens but rather Schultz.

You've already have 3 different writers pulled in the story by now.

Firstly the idea that a weakened Darkseid needed his eye isnt inconsistent either. Going a couple of years back, Darkseid when weakened found himself unable to even use omega beam in Our World At War, then even further back, during Rise of Yuga Khan something similar happened thanks to him messing around with source.

And again, ignoring writing from 5 different writers and calling them all PIS because it doesnt match the power level you think a character should be at changes very little really.

#27 Edited by Frozen (12930 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall:

  • He isn't, but he is one of them, he wrote her to be at a very comparable level if not more powerful. He defeated her using a Kryptonite ring, which was unncessary but regardless, the point still stands - using a Loeb instance is already contradicted by Supergirl punching him and nothing happening. This is not the only incosistencey he wrote, Flash running out of Oxygen from running to The Moon is another
  • If we take non-canon, Darkseid has beaten Superman and other of Earth's heroes. Yes, in regards to Apokolips Now - I can cite you several instances of Darkseid not needing eyes for Omega Force, hell even Jurgens wrote a weakened Darkseid using OE. In OWAW, there was no indication he was physically weakened, in fact he is rather casually talking to Wonder Woman. Superman weakened him with punches, which does not correlate to going around the Source

If you actually examine the writer stories, there are massive incostencies. Loeb firstly, already is known for his incostiencies (huge incositencies, e.g. Flash running out of Oxygen from running to Moon), Schultz saying Darkseid needs eyes to use OE (when he needed no such thing) and Jurgens saying Superman is equal to someone who stomped the League is clear PIS.

  • In an Adventures of Superman comic, he layed down Superman with a single blast to the ground
  • In OWAW, he KO'd Superman
  • In another Superman comic, he slapped him without effort or exerting himeslf
  • In Cosmic Odyssey, he swatted him away

Also, there is an instance Action Comics #586 which was Superman getting the upper hand over Desaad, not Darkseid.

#28 Posted by New_World_Order (13079 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos

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#29 Edited by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@killemall:

  • He isn't, but he is one of them, he wrote her to be at a very comparable level if not more powerful.

I dont disagree they arent very close, thats been more or less the point all around.

  • He defeated her using a Kryptonite ring, which was unncessary but regardless, the point still stands

The Kryptonite ring would have made a difference if Kryptonite affected only Supergirl and not Superman. If anything Superman was being exposed to the ring far longer than Supergirl.

Its just a good handy way of taking a Kryptonian down without much collateral damage.

  • using a Loeb instance is already contradicted by Supergirl punching him and nothing happening.

In a story where the whole point was to draw Darkseid out and have Superman defeat him. Not to mention you are putting too much stock on one punch from Supergirl and ignoring Superman basically overpowering Darkseid handily.

  • This is not the only incosistencey he wrote, Flash running out of Oxygen from running to The Moon is another

And?

The idea of 2 writers colliding isnt a new things, and i have not even entirely relied on Leob either.

Your disagreement on Leob doesnt take the potrayal of other writers.

  • If we take non-canon, Darkseid has beaten Superman and other of Earth's heroes.

When Super Power vol 1? Later in the same series Superman and Dr. Fate defeat Darkseid whose powers were amplified 1000 folds..

Again another similar alternate reality is Red Glass, where Superman killed Darkseid.

Another similar story, albiet not an alternate reality but different time period, a young Clark Kent nearly killed young Darkseid during Quite Darkness.

Relying on a non-canon story isnt the best thing to do, nor does it really help substantiate the case.

  • Yes, in regards to Apokolips Now - I can cite you several instances of Darkseid not needing eyes for Omega Force

But you will be ignoring the fact that Darkseid was massively weakened by a barrage of Superman hits.

Again, keeping all your stock on 1 part of the conversation and ignoring the fact that the other part of the same confrontation shows Superman physically superior to Darkseid again is selective screening.

  • hell even Jurgens wrote a weakened Darkseid using OE

Through his eyes.. O_o..

How does that contradict anything.

  • In OWAW, there was no indication he was physically weakened, in fact he is rather casually talking to Wonder Woman.

You mean other than Darkseid himself saying he needs time to re-charge his omega beam?

  • Superman weakened him with punches, which does not correlate to going around the Source

You are missing the point, point was when weakened Darkseid has had trouble using omega effect in the past just as well.

Idea is when weakened Darkseid omega effect might not work precisely like it would when he isnt.

How he was weakened should take very little away.

If you actually examine the writer stories, there are massive incostencies.

I dont agree.

Well keep berating writers to ignore on canon evidence, i simply cant agree with you.

I change my idea based on panel potrayal, you dont its up to you.

Despite the fact that Superman fought the same guy for 30 pages who defeated Darkseid in a single one.

You can like the idea , you can dislike the idea. For every issue suggesting Darkseid superiority over Superman there are just as many, if not more, suggesting Darkseid inferiority or perhaps equality.

  • In an Adventures of Superman comic, he layed down Superman with a single blast to the ground

And thats ALL he did.

Dropping someone on the ground and leaving is hardly a victory, when the other doesnt get a chance to fight back, specially when the character in question has actually fought back he has beaten Darkseid.

  • In OWAW, he KO'd Superman

Just because he is shown grabbing Superman by the neck doesnt automatically mean he KOed him, and thats ignoring how the next time they fought, in the same issue, Superman perfectly matched Darkseid blow for blow.

Selective screening at best.

You are simply looking at instance that merely hints Darkseid being more powerful and ignoring everything suggesting otherwise.

Its not evidence on unbias interpretation.

  • In another Superman comic, he slapped him without effort or exerting himeslf

Presumably you are talking about Superman Confidential, that actually suggest Darkseid is superior to Superman.

But we cant look at 1 comics and ignore at least 3 others that contradict that.

  • In Cosmic Odyssey, he swatted him away

Now this is just biased interpretation. Right after Darkseid hit Superman, Superman is fine and looking to actually come back to finish a fight before he is stopped by everyone involved.

That doesnt even suggest Darkseid is superior to him.

#31 Posted by dondave (36685 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Edited by Frozen (12930 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: Just to clarify, I don't think Darkseid is far stronger, regardless.

  • Collateral damage to where though? There was never any implication of that he feared collateral damage in his fight with her, now I do think he really didn't need it (IIRC he didn't use it in the animated film, but just knocked her out) but to the point, Loeb was massively incosistent in this series. It doesn't stop there, Loeb has once IIRC written Batman to withstand a punch from bloodlust Superman, it goes on
  • Yes, Flash running out of oxygen was garbage writing. He's done the exact same feat before and was fine, and of course the speed force would have protected
  • Non-canon stories, in the New-52 (which is not canon to Post-Crisis), Darkseid has made Earth 2 Superman into his own soldier, in Superman; The Dark Side, Sperman was less powerful considerably, in the Galactus crossover he tanks a blast from Galactus. Recently in the New-52, Superman said he's the only being he's faced that could have destroyed the Earth 3 verse
  • It's not selective screening --- the comic was badly written because of that, it confirmed lack of writer knowledge when all other showings demonstrate Darkseid does not need his own eyes to use Omega Effect
  • Jurgens wrote a weakened Darkseid using OE
  • Yes, thank you for using OWAW - I should note that Darkseid looks fine, he isn't beaten, he's smiling at her, there's no indication he is physically weak, but his OE may be, when he recharges the OE is seen
  • ..Um, yes it should - The Source has a greater connection to his power, getting weakened from The Source is not remotely similar to getting weakened by punches
  • I'm sure Superman expert @lvenger may agree, either way I'm intersted in his opinion: Superman is NOT equal to H/P Doomsday, come on - each member of the League at least exceed him in one ability, Flash is faster, Kyle is more powerful, Martian is more versatile, and yet Superman is equal to the guy who can stomp them with ease?
  • Actually, in the fight Superman is indicated to be KO'd from what we can see, which is a legitimate win
  • Yes, he layed him to the ground, hurt pretty easily
  • Yes, in the next fight it's more even, despite the bad dosage of heat vision = omega beams, a blood-lust Superman in the next fight was not beating Darkseid, merely matching him in strength in some regard
  • Superman is angry, charges at Darkseid with speed and is smacked away. There was never indication that Darkseid was angry either though

The only real times Superman has held his own, without speed and PIS, is the second OWAW fight, yet he was enraged and still could not beat DS who wasn't even using all his powers, and Countdown to Final Crisis in which he angrily punched Darkseid away, two reliable instances, let's count for Darkseid.

  • Our Worlds at War - KO's Superman
  • Adventures of Superman - lays him down to the ground with a single blast, quite casually
  • Superman: Confidential - Superman is overpowered
  • Cosmic Odyssey - Angry Superman gets swatted away from a casual Darkseid

But, mainly it's Darkseid's feats outside of Superman PIS are much, much more reliable. His fights with Superman don't really represent his true powerset/abilities.

#33 Posted by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: We are not going to agree, no point going about it. Lets just agree to disagree and move on.

#34 Posted by NinjaWarrior268 (1376 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid is superior to Superman but Clark can go give him a good fight. That's why he was turned into a Superman villian

#35 Posted by Dextersinister (6029 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: Killemal your quoting Our Worlds at War for Darkseid info. As I've said before an era when he was based almost entirely around his animated counterpart.

  • Apokilips existed in Earth 1 in the event when it doesn't in the comic.
  • Wouldn't Highfather have been a more likely ally?
  • At that point destroying Earth 1 would have done nothing to the rest of the multiverse.
#36 Posted by Frozen (12930 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: Killemal your quoting Our Worlds at War for Darkseid info. As I've said before an era when he was based almost entirely around his animated counterpart.

  • Apokilips existed in Earth 1 in the event when it doesn't in the comic.
  • Wouldn't Highfather have been a more likely ally?
  • At that point destroying Earth 1 would have done nothing to the rest of the multiverse.

True, the OWAW era was incosistent in regards to origin. The structure of creation was not made until 2005/2006 either.

#37 Posted by New_World_Order (13079 posts) - - Show Bio
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#38 Posted by highaccuser (6230 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: So...you really think Superman is capable of stomping the JLA? Becuase that's what I'm hearing .

#39 Posted by Beware_My_Power (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos stomps

#40 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2978 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by Beware_My_Power (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

Inside joke... With myself...

#42 Posted by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: Killemal your quoting Our Worlds at War for Darkseid info.

Given its a canon info i see no reason why i couldnt quote it.

As I've said before an era when he was based almost entirely around his animated counterpart.

Which doesnt make a difference on bit, when what i am arguing is power level not origin.

@killemall: So...you really think Superman is capable of stomping the JLA? Becuase that's what I'm hearing .

No. My argument is different, the idea that Superman and Doomsday are both said to be more powerful than Darkseid and near equal in terms of power is actually something he (Dan Jurgens) even went on to show in the comics.

So in the same way Darkseid beating Cyborg Superman is often used to suggest Darkseid's superior over Superman, the same comics also shows Darkseid getting walked all over by Doomsday who fought Superman for 30 page.

Its that comparison that i am interested it, not a mostly off panel based fight of him and JLA.

#43 Posted by Awesomedude (2033 posts) - - Show Bio

Darskseid.

#44 Edited by TBEMrMcCoy (520 posts) - - Show Bio

Bizarro would get blasted in oblivion by the Omega beams. Quick like.

#45 Posted by Nefarious (19850 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid stomps.

#46 Posted by highaccuser (6230 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall:

No. My argument is different, the idea that Superman and Doomsday are both said to be more powerful than Darkseid and near equal in terms of power is actually something he (Dan Jurgens) even went on to show in the comics.

So in the same way Darkseid beating Cyborg Superman is often used to suggest Darkseid's superior over Superman, the same comics also shows Darkseid getting walked all over by Doomsday who fought Superman for 30 page.

Its that comparison that i am interested it, not a mostly off panel based fight of him and JLA.

But those two just son't line up. He stomps JLA/Darkseid OR he matches Superman. You can't have both because Superman isn't that powerful. When he fought the JLA while possessed by dominos, he admitted he would've died if not for an earlier sundip.

I don't doubt that Superman>Darkseid, but he certainly can't stomp him(Uxas always puts up an excellent fight), and I don't see how Superman could possibly = someone who stomped him.

#47 Posted by BlackWind (6157 posts) - - Show Bio

Bizzaro is just a mental pygmy or Superman who doesn't know his strength.

Darkseid wins.

#48 Posted by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

But those two just son't line up.

If you look into the story from writers perspective it does.

why would beatinf Darkseid and matching Superman contradict each other, specially under a writer who is adamant of Darkseid not being a match for Superman outside of intellect?

Stomp JLA doesnt necessarily line up, but then most of that took place off panel. If we are left with a choice of which feat to accept, Doomsday beating JLA or Superman matching Doomsday for 30 odd pages, its the latter i would choose, simply because its prefectly in line with something Dan Jurgens went in detail before he even wrote it.

Furthermore, apart from that one time, mostly off panel incident, Doomsday has never been anything other than a match for Superman.

I am not entirely sure how that contradicts Superman's superiority over Darkseid, which is what i am more interested in.

I don't doubt that Superman>Darkseid, but he certainly can't stomp him

I never said Superman would stomp Darkseid though, at least not with morals on.

I think you might need to follow up on our CaV to understand that. Superman is just powerful as Doomsday, only if he forgoes all his morals, and fights to the full potential.

Dan Jurgens explained that well in his interview. His idea was its the ideals that brought up Superman is what limit his ability, one reason why he didnt win against Doomsday and despite matching him on a prolongued battle was on the losing end. It would have been different, if Superman stomped holding back any and all concerned and went full on.

At least Jurgens view is, if and when that happens, Superman not holding back could do the same thing to Darkseid.

#49 Posted by highaccuser (6230 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: I see. An off panel fight with the JLA would be less relevent than 30 pages of fighting Superman.

And I have been following the CAV.

#50 Posted by koshi_waza88 (1398 posts) - - Show Bio

I would love to see an encounter between Darksied and Bizzaro just to see how they interact and would Darksied have the patients to manipulate and use Bizzaro which is what i would think he would do rather than wast an opportunity ....